Takkkiiiyyyyyaaaa!
kis ki takkkiiyyaa? ;)
another clear proof of ur jahalat!
- Ever heard of 33:33?
bro jafri..........pls do not disrespect the holy Quran and Hadiths by quoting it to him.............Allah SWT Himself has talked of some people whose hearts are blind "Have they not travelled in the land so that they should have hearts with which to understand, or ears with which to hear? For surely it is not the eyes that are blind, but blind are the hearts which are in the breasts". 22:46]........and Prophet PBUH too has warned in Sunni/Shia accepted hadiths of these najidis who will read quran like parrots but it will not go below their throats: www.correctislamicfaith.com/wahhabiwarningahadith.htm........
Brother, it's better if you go study than to accuse me of whatever that comes to your mind. You clearly have no idea what or who a shia is and how many groups they have within their sect.
Yeah, I would really like to know how many sects the Shia have within it. And before you say 'Alevi' or perhaps the sect which says Prophet-hood belonged to Imam Ali (as) and was erroneously given to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh&hp) [Allah's refuge - Nauzubillah], let me inform you that these people are not Muslims let alone Shia.
May people with these beliefs be damned to the deepest and scariest place of al-Jahannum, Inshallah.
Good enough, a condemnation for you?
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If Ali (ra) was an infallible human being, then why the need for consultation? Surely if he was so-called infallible he would of made his decision on the spot.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but being an Infallible Imam also means you're a just Imam [which you're forgetting].
And as a just Imam, you don't just 'rule' that something happened or the following person was righteous, and expect the people to obey you (especially when so much of the Ummah is already against you). So without proof, the Imam isn't giving out anything. Maybe you've heard of the story of the Jew who stole Imam Ali's (as) shield? That serves as a perfect example here (tell me if you haven't, I'll type it out for you).
From what I understand, you're saying that Imam Ali (as) should have simply said that Uthman bin Affan's murder was justified, and end the story? I would call that a very poor knowledge of history on your part, no offence.
Imam Ali (as) was in the battlefield. The people had brought copies of the Qur'an on their lances, asking for arbitration. What good would have saying that Uthman was an unjust ruler, done in the situation he was in?
Fine, he says Uthman was unjust. Then what? He was saying that all along [precisely the reason why the arbitration was held], but when you're bribed by Mua'wiyah, you become deaf and blind and betray the Imam of your time. On Amr ibn al Aa's's part, I'm afraid it was double betrayal.
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Clearly he was not infallible. Alhamdulillah. May Allah curse those who say such insult. Ameen.
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Hmm... maybe then, you can point out one clear mistake Imam Ali (as) did as the companion of the Prophet (pbuh) and the Caliph?
In case, the story of Imam Ali (as) proposing to Abu Jahl's daughter comes up, that was a clear misunderstanding, and a result of gossip spread by haters.
The latter part of 33:33 makes it clear the Ahlul Bayt (as) [which excludes the wives ofcourse] are clear from 'al-Rijs'. Go look up on Google what pinnacles of abomination and filth the word covers. Who are the Ahlul Bayt? According to the Sahihain; Fatima (as) wa abu-ha (pbuh&hp), ba'aluha (as) wa banuha (as).
A lot of Qur'anic verses make it clear that infallibility is not a Divine attribute (as you might say). For example, remember when Allah (swt) says to Iblis that he can not deviate the righteous ones, and Iblis confirms saying he has no chance of deviating them? How silly of us to believe that this could be referring to the common good Muslim today... the best of the best scholars are prone to deviation by Iblis. The verse is certainly referring to another elite group who are immune to 'al-waswas'.
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psyah bro, I respectfully disagree with you on that. People who believe in the following are not considered part of this ummah..
- Belief of 12 imams are infallible, their words and the words of the marja are the WORDS of God (as per Jafri's own blog post)
- Slandering, abusing, criticizing the sahaba and the wives of Rasulullah(saw)
- Denying khilaft of the first three Caliphs (raa)
- Mutah(zinnah) being halal
Ahle Sunnah is unanimous in declaring them kafir, for the last 1300 years. There should be no ifs or buts about it.
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Oh wow... over half of us are now Kafir and not part of the Ummah. Splendid! I wonder why this hasn't been edited yet. You reserve absolutely no right to call anybody Kafir, especially when it's very clear it's the Shia you're referring to. Because of people like you, the efforts by the Shias and Sunnis to maintain unity between themselves is going are going down the drain.
The words of the Maraji' are definitely not Allah's words. Astaghfirullah.
Allah's final word is the complete, preserved Qur'an we have today.
I'm pretty sure you're trying to twist what he said.Inshallah, I have good mind to start a thread about Mutah (plus one about the shirk contained in the Sahihain and probably one about Taqiyyah), if it's not against site rules and policy.
Oh and maybe you meant to say that the Wahhabi (aka Nawasib, Taliban, etc.) have declared us as Kuffar (and not the Ahlul Sunnah). The Ahlul Sunnah accept the Ja'fari school of thought as a fifth Islamic school of thought. Haven't you come across the fatwa by Al-Azhar university (I'll get Jafri to post it for me).
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but we should keep in mind that not every shia believes in all 4 of them... i know plenty of ppl who don't believe points 2 and 4.(especially 4)
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Half correct, half incorrect. Belief in 2 is not Wajib. So if one does not curse them by name, it makes no difference to the fact that he is an Ithna Ashari Shia. We have been encouraged to curse the enemies of Ahlul Bayt (as) in general (and not curse by name), and it covers all those who troubled and caused pain to them
Unbelief in 4 is clear denial of what the Imams (as) and the Prophet (pbuh&hp) have allowed. Not only is Mutah permissible, it is recommended in the Jafari school of thought. A few people claiming to be Shias can't change the truth.
Apologize for the length, and for anything you found offensive.
Wa-assalam Alaykum
Re: What is a sect? [split from 73 sects]
Heres the fatwa..
http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs105.snc3/15300_355976111818_198567431818_3766467_1698095_n.jpg
Oh and maybe you meant to say that the Wahhabi (aka Nawasib, Taliban, etc.) have declared us as Kuffar (and not the Ahlul Sunnah). The Ahlul Sunnah accept the Ja'fari school of thought as a fifth Islamic school of thought. Haven't you come across the fatwa by Al-Azhar university (I'll get Jafri to post it for me).
False! Lies! Total fabrication! Where in your religion is the "jafri school of thought" ??? It's total lies. There's no such school as jafri school of thought. Stop insulting Imam Ja'far(ra).
That Al-Azhar fatwa which you're about to quote is nothing but misconception on the part of the new Al-Azhar fatwa committee who after pressure from the rafidah came up with that pathetic fatwa. If they can come up with breastfeeding fatwa, I'm sure they can come up with such a "political correct" fatwa.
**MAJORITY of the Ahle Sunnah declare the rafidah kuffar. **That is a clear known fact. It's whole different matter if some don't want to acknowledge it for the sake so-called "unity".
Btw, come back to www.sunniforum.com we're missing you.
Then why not follow up on your principle? Why shy away from it? If something doesn't make sense to you or is not in line with your "thinking" of today, you will reject it. If that's the case, there's no room for "correctness" that you preach. You clearly had no idea what I was talking about yet you accused me of dunno what!
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I think more you talk more you prove my suspicion you have an agenda to incite people and spread hatred.
Whatever you have been taught or you learned you are using it for WRONG purpose.
Let me give you your own medicine:
I do not think you are who you pretend to be and perhaps not even a muslim! You are the kind of people everyone should be aware of.
Nice :k: from accusing me of spreading hatred, you have now labeled me kafir.
LOL.
Yep! How do you like the taste of this medicine you give everyone?
There is no proof that you are a muslim by the way! 
ha ha! So you at least agree there’s got to be proof of someone being Muslim and not Muslim. 
Progress!
Off course and “you” cannot provide that proof! That is what I said. In fact you could not even possibly provide ANY proof that you are muslim… 
Off course and "you" cannot provide that proof! That is what I said. In fact you could not even possibly provide ANY proof that you are muslim........ :)
And you could not provide proofs of Shias are like Jews. :)
LOL
Is that all you could come up with? What a weak attempt.
Did you see me arguing on it?
So are you a muslim? Prove it if you say yes!
Anyone who can read English can see you are ‘good’ at inciting people or spreading hatred.
Well if that is so, then Alhamdulillah! I don’t need to prove to anyone especially on this site that I’m a Muslim.
time to review this thread!