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"That they say (in boast): 'We killed the
Messiah Isa, son of Maryam, the Messenger of
Allah, but they killed him not, nor crucified
him, but the resemblance of Isa was put over
another man (and they killed that man), and
those who differ therein are full of doubts.
They have no certain knowledge, they follow
nothing but conjecture. For surely, they killed
him not, but Allah raised him up unto Himself.
And Allah is ever All-Powerful, All-Wise. And
there is none of the people of the scripture but
must believe in him before his death. And on
the Day of Resurrection, he (Isa) will be a
witness against them." (Qur'an 4:157-159)
this is the verse in quran that makes it clear that isa a.s is alive.

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Al-Mahdi will remain the leader (at least whoever is leading the prayers will remain Imam) even after the arrival of Isa (AS) ...

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but the hadith say:

***"How can this Ummah perish when I am at the beginning and Jesus son of Mary at the end?"

***since mahdi would be leader of the faithful, mahdi should have been mentioned in the above hadith. Purpose of Isa ibn maryam is as you say to kill dajjal and guide people of the book. so why Jesus is mentioned as the savior of the ummah in the later days

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Peace ** kchughtai**

There is another similar version of this hadith:

“How can my ummah perish when i am at it’s beginning, Jesus son of Mary, at its end and the mahdi from my progeny will be in the middle of it. But in between this, there will be a large detracted group. Neither i belong to them nor they belong to me”

The above tradition has been quoted in **Musnad of Imam Ahmad **from Ibn AbbasRZ, by Abu Nu-aym Isphahani from Ibn Abbas, in Kanzul Ummal from Ali, in Mishkat and it’s commentaries Mirqat and Lumu-at from Imam Jafar and Razeem, by Hakim from Abdullah Ibn Umar RZ, and in Tafseer-e-Madarik with some variance in words.

orkut -

There are other ahadith which clearly indicate without any doubt that Imam Mahdi - Hz. Muhammad ibn Abdullah (ra) and Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) are two separate individuals

It is reported from Abu Hurayra(RA) that the Prophet(SAW) said:

What will be your reaction when the son of Mary (Jesus) descends and your Imam is from among yourselves? (**Sahih Muslim, bab nuzul ‘isa, Vol. 2; Sahih Bukhari, kitab bad’ al-khalq wa nuzul 'isa, Vol. 4) **

The holy Prophet(SAW) said:

What would be your situation if the Son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends upon you and your Imam is from among you?
**(Bukhari, kitabul-Anbiya, Chapter Nuzul Isa bin Maryam) **

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May be you should download the PDF copy. I have a PDF copy and i dont see any issue in it. Can you specify the page numbers so that i can upload them for you?

Mr Popat , i hope every thing is ok, we were discussing some thing, is it possible that we conclude it ? May ALLAH unite us all on HAQ

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Locking the thread for review. Will shift irrelevant posts to another thread.