What happens if you are Muslim and gay?

What happens if you are Muslim and gay?

By Dominic Casciani
BBC News Online community affairs reporter

Taking risks: But essential, say the editors
“Oh my God, Gay Muslims”. If a good headline catches the attention of an audience, then the editors of Muslimyouth.net have read the rule book.

This week sees the launch of a major website aimed at a section of British society that increasing numbers of people have an opinion on - but from whom we hear very little: Young British Muslims.

Britain’s first support and guidance service for this group is now live. It sets out to not only to shake up attitudes within its own communities - but also bang loudly on the door of government.

The launch of the site could not be more timely. The media remains focused on the threat of terrorism and Muslim themselves have feel targeted.

Islamophobia and racist attacks are thought to rising while long-standing problems of unemployment and low educational achievement persist in many Muslim communities.

Within Whitehall, mandarins are thinking hard about what to do about young British Muslims and have drawn up a strategy (reportedly codenamed “Contest”) to win hearts and minds.

‘Think differently’

While much of the media and political debate focuses on British Muslim identity, the people behind Muslimyouth.net see things differently.

We need to bridge the cultural gaps between the older generations and the younger who may think differently
Layli Uddin, Muslimyouth.net
They say its high time authority listened to the younger generation if they want to understand what needs to be done.

The conviction comes from having launched Muslim Youth Helpline (MYH) three years ago as a dedicated counselling service. It recently expanded to a seven-day operation, with counsellors listening to the depressed, confused, suicidal or just plain worried late into the night.

But shaking things up a bit is what Muslimyouth.net says it plans to do, says one of the founders, Layli Uddin.

So for its launch the site includes articles on gay Muslims and drug users talking about drug misuse.

The first major campaign will see the service send out gifts during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan to the estimated 750 Muslims in young offender institutions.

And amid all this, the voluntary team of young professionals and students are seeking to encourage national debate among its audience on the more prosaic crucial elements of growing up: education, jobs, relationships, identity and citizenship.

“We want to be a bridge between people,” says Ms Uddin. "So with the prisoners campaign, we want to help Muslim society connect the alienated with the outside world.

“Homosexuality is a very challenging topic for Muslims. The question we posed ourselves was at what point do we publish a picture of Muslim men holding hands? This is a difficult issue for many and we are not setting out to aggravate the wider community.”

In that particular instance, the editors believed it was not right to publish such a picture - but they believed it was appropriate to discuss the issue. That way, they hoped, they would reach out to a wide audience to discuss the issue openly, without offending those who find such issues anathema.

“We need to bridge the cultural gaps between the older generations and the younger who may think differently,” adds Layli Uddin."

With that in mind, the site will not delete swearing, slang or text message language in contributors’ articles because, says Ms Uddin, “that may be the experience of the audience we want to reach”. It will not pronounce on what is haram (forbidden) in Islam, and what is not.

But what it will seek to do is be a platform for expression where young Muslims can air their views, knowing they are safe to say what they feel.

At the same time, Muslimyouth.net won’t endorse any particular position, recognising that it has a responsiblity not to misrepresent the views of most of Muslim Britain.

The website has the support of one of Britain’s most influential Imams, but is not in the business of giving out sermons itsel. However, it recognises if contributors use strong language, it may cause a stir: In one article on drugs, an author has used the phrase “It’s not God being a bitch, it’s God being serious”.

Government engagement

But what of wider social attitudes towards Muslims? Does the site see its role in combating confusion, prejudice or stereotype?

WHAT DO MUSLIM YOUTH CONTACT MYH ABOUT?
Employment: 27%
Sex: 23%
Depression: 15%
Addiction: 12%
Relationships: 6%
Abuse: 4%
Homelessness: 2%
Other: 11%
Imran Saithna, campaigns editor for the site, says it’s high time Whitehall came to young Muslims too.

“If David Blunkett or whoever does not come to talk to me about what we want or need, how will he know?” he says. “How can government presume to know? It’s no good producing papers on the future of Muslims if we are not spoken to directly.”

The Home Office itself has a dedicated team working on community cohesion and equality. Part of its work over the next year will be introducing the new law on religious discrimination, a reform long demanded by Muslims.

But government’s own analysis of segregated communities concedes there are “no quick fixes” and there needs to be a long-term commitment to create equality and full social inclusion.

Community-based projects will ultimately be key to this work. But Muslim communities themselves must also open up and engage, says Mustafa Suleyman, chairman of Muslim Youth Helpline.

“There are many barriers still to be overcome and many issues that even today, remain totally unchallenged,” he says.

"It is only with the support and involvement of the Muslim community as well as government departments that MYH will be able to continue to reach out.

“To those agencies and organisations, but most of all our own community, we say, stand with us, side by side and share in our ambition. Work with us to safeguard the future of our community.”

Comments?

:yawn: waaa??

I don’t exactly know where you are going with this, but I can tell you; this issue is very contraversial and holds no results.

Can you make it simpler so it doesn’t go unnoticed?

Actually the question is quite misleading...

It should read what happens if you are Muslim or gay?

There is no and between Muslim and gay...Unless of course you happen to be using it in a sentence to provide a statement...

Gay Muslim. That's an oxymoron.

how can u be part of a religon when u dont follow it? meaning u cannot be gay and be muslim! a gay person is not considered muslim!

OK, lets see.

Can you be a fornicator and a muslim?
Can you be a adulterer and a muslim?
Can you be a rapist and a muslim?
Can you be a murderer and a muslim?
Can you be a peadophile and a muslim?

The answer is YES for all of them.

Commiting a major sin does not make you into a non-muslim, it makes you into a fasiq (major sinner).

Now if the person was to say that any of these things are allowed in islam, then you can say that they are no longer muslims, since they clearly deny what Allah :swt: has made unlawful.

Theres a clear difference.

Remember calling a muslim a Kafir is a big thing.

why can't a gay person be a muslim? ....muslims never commit sins?

and another point...

being "gay" does not mean that sex has actually taken place. It implies a preference for the same sex. So if a person has a desire for sex with the same gender but never acts on it....does that make him/her still a major sinner?

and I quite agree that a Muslim can be gay. Just because it is banned doesnt mean that your religion is taken from you. Homosexuality isnt allowed in any religion that I know of. It just makes for big sin - not excommunication. Everyone pays for their sins, it isnt up to us to judge...

If a person has no qualms in constantly committing major sins I am sure he could careless whether he is labeled as Muslim or not. Why associate a religion with such a person when he clearly doesn't abide by it?

is osama still considered a muslim by muslim top theologians

OBL's religion of record is Islaam. Is he a GOOD muslim? I dont think so but that really isnt my business nor is it my job to decide to what degree he is a "good" or a "bad" Muslim. Thats between him and God. Who CARES what "top theologans think? The guy condones killing of innocents and that makes him a mahor sinner no matter WHAT religion he assigns to himself.

I would do whatever I could in my power to bring him to justice for the crimes against humanity that he's helped to propagate but that has no bearing on "his" religion or his (as I see it) skewed interpretation of it.

It isnt our job to judge others on their view and interpretation of what God and religion is to them personally. Its our job to decide what it is to OURSELF (personally) and to abide by what we beleive in (personally) and leave others in peace to do as they think is right.

Absolutely and 100%…He is a Mujahid who has left his home and family to fight for Muslims and their rights…

Then you will again start bitching how can a person who kills innocents be considered a Muslim…

The answer to that is simply that the same reason America dropped two Atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki thereby killing hundreds of thousands, the same reason America dropped Napalm and incendiary bombs on the hapless people of Vietnam and killed millions and the same reason it carpet bombed Germany…To cause fear in the enemy to stop them from committing further acts of aggression…A tactic employed by America to its fullest, but what goes around comes around…Sometimes with a vengeance…

As to Mama, would a person who says I believe in Allah :swt: but do not believe in Mohammed :saw: be considered a Muslim? Would a person who says I do not believe in the Quran yet I am a Muslim be considered a Muslim? Similarly a person a who legitimizes the forbidden commands of Allah :swt: is not a Muslim…

In this category some consider even those who do not pray 5 times a day…

...and one more note...I've met my share of "gay" people over my life. When you say they have "no qualms" you are quite wrong. They suffer endlessly, would prefer to be able to find attraction in the opposite sex etc etc.

Judge not until you have walked a few miles in their shoes. And even then, may you just find understanding and the ability to avoid judgement. Judgement is the job of God, not of you.

I guess we should do away with the judiciary system then. Who knows how miserable the serial killers feel about their actions? :rolleyes:

Couldn’t have said it better myself. :k:

I guess then the whole NWFP is non-muslim. If NMBLA (national Man Boy Love association) were to get kicked out of US they will find NWFP quite accomodating.:dixsi:

Speaking from experience?

My My witty little khan aren’t ya. .:bukbuk:
A fact is a fact Jack. Go travel into NWFP and see for yourself. Taliban ran into this menace as well and did something extraordinary to stop Homosexuality (can’t recall what it was but was a very good deterrent, since it stopped in their regime).

I personally dont give a rats ar$e what one does (gives or takes), just pointing out that this is an issue that exists, and for you to come out with an absurd statement

is not really doing justice to poor pathans. Unless ofcourse it is supposed to be a secret, that they are guarding in the Wana area.:2guns:

^ So Pathans are supposed to a be holy race held above all the rest?
Islam doesn't make exceptions for anyone. What's your point?

not for nothing but..you radical, sniggling little nit-pickers are so busy worrying about what two consenting adults do in their bedrooms... bringing your perceived greatness of OBL into the argument (how the heck did HE get into this thread??? and for that matter what has Hiroshima got to do with it either???)

The GAY people you so despise and judge are probably out in their communities actually doing something GOOD for humanity while you sit at your computers and judge their evilness.