What form of Islam should I choose?

That was a question going through my mind a few years back…

I was born and bred in a Barelvi type of household (though we never considered ourselves Barelvis), which included Mannats, Niaz, going to Peers and Fakeers…

Having had one ‘Auliya’ born into the family in India, called Kaka Sahib didn’t help much either…My Mamu being a devout ‘Hanafi-of-the-Niaz-o-Mannat’ sect, would take out the clothes, Pagri and slippers of Kaka Sahib (Which are considered family heirlooms) and after having given those things ‘Dhooni’ from an Agarbatti, the things would be passed down to each family member to be kissed, put on the head and touched by the eyes, all in an effort to gain some spirituality and religious forgiveness…

This ‘Hanafi-of-the-Niaz-o-Mannat’ sect was great for me…Our family didn’t go to such extremes as kissing or bowing to graves but did maintain the highly preferable act of asking for ‘intervention’ from these great and pious people for Duas, which they would present to Allah :swt: on our behalf…

It was great in the sense that, who cared if one didn’t pray…Just put a Chadar on falana falana Sahib’s grave and it would be okay…If your prayers weren’t being answered, just step over to the nearest Mazaar and ask the ‘Sahib-e-Buzurg’ to carry your Dua to Allah :swt:…If all else fails, have a Biryani Daigh cooked and distributed to the poor and just for good measure, add Qawali to it for some zesty entertainment plus worship and your prayers were as good as answered…

I enjoyed ‘Barelvism’ a lot…There were just so many guarantees that you could not go wrong…In fact, in ‘Barelvism’ I had more promises for my blissful life and afterlife that even the Holy Prophet :saw: couldn’t promise himself and his companions…Black magic? Contact a Peer…No job? Contact a Peer…Pain in your back? Contact a Peer…Not to mention the Bahishti Darwaza, somewhere in Raiwand, which some Peer promised that whoever passed through, would be guaranteed Jannat…If only our Prophet :saw: had such a door, now that would totally rock…

I liked Barelvism…Everything was easy and you hardly had to anything yourself as long as there were these ‘Buzurgs’ around for you to ask and do stuff for you…It was great until…

I ran into the Quraneens…Now, this is something I could used to…Quraneens are those people that believe that the Ahadith are nothing more than made up myths from people who came after the Prophet (saw)…

This is the easiest and most laid back ‘form’ of Islam known to Muslims…They just believe in one thing, and that is Tawheed, or the oneness of Allah :swt:…

According to the Quraneens (or Pervaizees in some circles), the way we perform the Salat is dubious, so it can be considered redundant, just believe in the Tawheed…The method of the Hajj is dubious, so it can be considered redundant, meaning doesn’t matter if you perform it or not, so it can be considered redundant…The methodology of Zakat is dubious, so it can be considered redundant…In fact, all the ‘actions’ of Islam which the Holy Prophet supposedly prescribed are dubious and hence considered redundant…Just believe in the Tawheed…Do nothing Just believe

And I didn’t even consider Shiaism, as the image of the Holy Prophet :saw: and his companions, may peace be upon them, crying and wailing over the bodies of Islam’s martyrs never appealed to me…Crying over martyrs while the Quran forbids it while calling the martyrs ‘smiling’ and ‘sitting in Allah’s favour’, never appealed to me…

Not to mention, any sect having more hatred and cursing and abusing centuries old dead people rather than having hatred for the Shaitaan or Kuffar, was kind of, to me at least, a contradiction and confusion in terms…So I looked into it, and immediately withdrew…I cannot hold hatred in my heart for anyone, especially dead people…

Then I came across Wahabbism, if that’s what you wanna call it…Made famous by the western media as a scapegoat to slaughter, picked upon by the ignorant mod-Muslims because the western media said it’s b-a-a-a-d and the devil in disguise to the ignorant who have only heard the word but can’t even spell it…It’s bad so it must be bad…Death to Wahabbism…Who cares what it means…CNN, Fox and Fareed Zakaria consider it bad, so it must be vanquished…

Like those ‘experts’ on CNN who have been to every Madrassah and every Masjid in the world and know precisely what goes on in them, the term Wahabbism has become the new monster to subdue…

But I understood it…Wahabbism or ‘Salafism’, is the struggle, both inner and outer, to achieve the most pristine and fault free method to walk upon the true path of Islam…It is the path which the Kuffar hates for Wahabbism ends confusion and replaces it with pure unadulterated knowledge, which the Quran, numerous times has stated in the form of Obey Allah and His Messenger

Obey Allah (swt) through His message the Quran, and obey the Messenger (saw) through his Sunnah and Ahadith…

There are other ‘forms’ of Islam out there, but they are so deviated in their teachings, that most of what they do is pure innovation…And some like the Ba’hais (marry amongst their own siblings) and Ahmedism (who believe in a prophet after last Prophet (Nauzubillah)) aren’t even something which a sane Muslim will consider…

Then there is the Al-Fatiha group, a gay-lesbian group which say ‘We are Muslims’ but are ignorant to what happened to the people of Lut (as)…Many Muslims say ‘Oh, it is their freedom of expression, that doesn’t make them less Muslims’…These Muslims are the same ones that say ‘Suicide bombing is Haraam and those that do it are not Muslims and defile Islam’…Someone tell these idiots that if killing of innocents is Haraam and those that do it are not Muslims, what does Quran say about Homosexuality and those that practice it? Here, they will falter and become the greatest scholars of Islam and say 'It is between them and Allah (swt)…Precisely…“Innama Aamal-o-Bin Niyaat”

The true and only way is that which is laid down by the Quran and sealed by the Sunnah and Ahadith of the Holy Prophet :saw:, and everything outside and after that is all garbage and Bida’a and Bida’a is out of Islam and of the fire…

long-drawn out argument against taqleed. is this what you are basically saying?

:jazak:

I have my 2 cents to add here. I would not call what I believe in as Wahabiism or Salafism, because in this way (i believe) I am also making a new sect. I believe from the depth of my heart that that is the true Islam, pure from all innovations, however by calling it what it is makes a new sect and a division in ummah. Why not just call ourselves MUSLIMS, as the Quran and Sunnah ordain us to. Follow the Quran and Sunnah wholehearttedly without additions and innovations and just call yourself Muslim. In this way we may save ourself from division.

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Very Good Islamabad > Let the good sense prevail :insha:

Follow ; Quran - Messingers and last Prophet Mohammad :saw: and his WILL for his umma for worldly matters…,every thing else is ancient and new politics.

Ghulail: More than an argument for Taqleed, it is an argument against innovations and Bida’a…

P.S. I have been following your posts, you are :mash: well gifted with knowledge…It would be great if you can post some relevant stuff and importance about Taqleed for my and others’ benefit…Thanks…

Islamabad:

I totally agree…But the Ahmedis consider themselves Muslims too…What if an Ahmedi and me come to you and both of us say ‘I am a Muslim’?

I consider myself of those that believe that if it’s not in the Quran and Sunnah, it’s a fallacy…That takes a little while to say, Salafi seems more appropriate…(Allah :swt: though knows how good of a Muslim I am, but Salafism is the most closest to both the Quran and Sunnah)…

Hence, I am a Muslim like you, but one that adheres to the Quran and Sunnah…

when ppl always say just call yourself muslim any other name is a bida, they are calling the companions mubtadi etc cos' they used terms such as ahlus sunah

Re: What form of Islam should I choose?

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
Obey Allah (swt) through His message the Quran, and obey the Messenger (saw) through his Sunnah and Ahadith...

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Thats all...... and DO NOT ADD NETHING to it, and DO NOT DELETE NETHING from it......
And if u do so, May Allah (swt) give u the ability to realise and correct urself...... ** Ameen **

As-salaam-O-Alaikum all,

I agree whole heartedly with Lajawab. I had a similar background growing up in karachi. I call myself a muslim, Alhamdolillah. I do not get into the hanafi vs shafai vs hanmbali vs malaki arguments since they are all following the sunnah of Mohammed(SAW) and are all correct.

May Allah(SWT) increase the levels of our Imaan - Ameen

WaSalaam

The funniest thing about the “wahabi” or “salafi” label is how it is not applied to any single set up beliefs - it gets applied by the media to anything that is not “liberal” Islam.

I’ve seen media condemning Dr. Yousaf Al-Qaradawi for being a salafi or a wahabi, at the same time as I’ve seen websites purporting to be “salafi” or “wahabi” condemning the fatwas of the very same man :hehe:

I don’t believe in any kind of labelling. What I believe in is following the Quran, Sunnah, and religious edicts derived from the principles therein.

As long as you do that, I don’t care if you call yourself Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki, Shafi, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi, Wahabi, Salafi… it’s all Islam to me (though I do care if you call yourself one of the members of some other “sects” that shall-not-be-named)

What I don’t believe in is blindly believing in the traditions that one’s society believes in. Blindly believing what your forefathers believed in without questioning it is what the pagan arabs were condemned for.

Reply to Zman:

Assalam Aleekum
But you have to follow their teachings and only their teachings
strictly.
Try to find their original books.

take care

Re: What form of Islam should I choose?

Jazak Allah

Assalam Aleekum
Some times Its necessary to distuinguish ourselves from the
deviants.
Wese Pakistan me best Muslims are ahl-e-hadith and than deobands.

take care

Try to read good books. Books about Aqeeda and creed.
Try to read Minhaj Al Muslim by Imam AlJazaere(RA).
Also read book by Sheikh Abdul Wahab on Aqeedah Tawheed.
I also recommend Riaz UdSaleeheen(Compilation of Hadith).

That's all for now.
As I have said earlier , in Pak Al Hadith people are on the
right track. Not All desis are deviants.

take care

All these forms of Islam are so derpressing.Theres only one Islam, the Quran, Sunnah , hadith...Why cant we just live by that , instead of having so many sects and this and that.And dont even get me started in all the traditions that are mixed up with Islam.

Let me explain.

When we call ourselves Wahabi / Salafi, or deobandi…etc.. we are differentiating ourselves from others. It is known through a hadith, that all will go to hell except the ahal al-Sunnah wal Jamaah. The question is , why do we have to call ourselves Salafi (although that is the purest form of Islam).

When we call ourselves something other than a “Muslim”, automatically a new sect is created. People who do have some negative view about our way of thinking stay away from us and in this way the ummah is never united. By calling ourselves something even though it may be right does cause a division.

I ask, what is the need to call ourselves something.

If you think rationally than as Muslims it is our duty to do dawah and spread the true picture of Islam as the Prophet :saw: and the Sahaba :razi: have shown. However, a division or a “label” can come in our way, because every sect thinks of his itself as the best and perfect. Therefore, a feeling of mistrust arises, leading to a dead end, in which nobody is prepared to listen to the other. So, it is better to call ourselves just Muslim. By our actions, we may by the will of Allah be able to bring people to the true deen.

I hope I am making my point clear. I love and admire the Salafi way, since I have myslef found it to be free from all innovations, but I would never call myslef a salafi, since it WILL create a division in the ummah. Allah :swt: is the One who guides and shows the right path.


In the Holy Quran, the word used is MUSLIM. Allah addresses us as Muslims. So why do we want to call ourselves something other than a Muslim.

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002.128 "Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

003.067 Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists.

033.035 For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah’s praise,- for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward.

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Ghulail: More than an argument for Taqleed, it is an argument against innovations and Bida'a...

P.S. I have been following your posts, you are well gifted with knowledge...
It would be great if you can post some relevant stuff and
importance about Taqleed for my and others' benefit...Thanks...

ahem, first i'll say i am quite flattered by the compliment, my knowledge is quite lil,compared to a lot of guppies over here.
khair i'll still take it as an excuse to expand in this thread.

waisay your post kind of sounded like going against taqleed to me, not for it.may be you think the whole idea of following certain sects like barelvism or wahabism etc is doing taqleed but i dont think this is what the spirit behind taqleed is.

most of these sects are not so much about true scholarship but more about cults around certain people. taqleed after the followers of imam shafi, maliki,hanbali,hanafi however has more to do with the extent and breadth of their knowledge and their status as being the earliest documentators and studiers of Islam.

People generally like to group all talk about these 4 imams, with every possible sect or branch that muslims got divided into later. so each time anybody talks of being a wahabi or barelvi or whatever, people also think it means the same as being called a shafi or hanafi, which is actually not true. if you ask any of the scholars on this topic, as i read on a site they tend to say that there are only 4 credible and accepted sunni schools of thought which are of the early 4 imams, and the most important factor here is that these accept eachother as being the 4 accepted ones, since they unite on the certain important principles of aqeedah. wahabism however, taking a lot from ibn taymiyah, is not credible in their eyes cuz he disagreed on these very important principles.

Arguments for taqleed have a lot to do with trying to realise that understanding Islam in its depths should be a desired goal for muslims, and a simple "we'll just follow the Quran and Sunnah" on our own, without at least trying to acquire some of the capabilities that true scholars of Islam possess. Its often said that studying Islam is like studying a science, or doing medicine. If to gain knowledge on these matters we dont just open some related book and start reading, why don't we treat the Quran and hadith with the same rigour and analysis.

Once somebody realises the need for scholarship, one cant but help but hold a lot of our earliest scholars in veneration. It is no small matter, that Imam Malik was such an exalted scholar that some 70 shaikhs in an important madressah at Medina, after the Prophet's (PBUH) death, voted unanimously to make him their leading scholar.

Taqleed today is maligned for a number of reasons, but i have two to offer here. Anti-taqleed is an epidemic peculiarly associated with the educated class, and second because the average maulvi today does not represent scholarship any longer. pick a typical imam of a mosque and what's the breadth of his knowledge? Well he knows the Quran by heart,a resonable number of ahaidth without any knowledge of their crediblity, the literal translation of the Arabic of the Quran
etc., which all makes a lot of the educated people think kay yeh kaam toa hum buahat behtar kar saktay hain. hum bhee Quran in Urdu lay kay bhait jaain, do teen ahadith ki kitabian parh lain, and weare as good as any maulvi from a masjid.

Laikin what's missing from this picture is a a realisation that there are many steps ahead of the average educated Muslim, taking this path, to attain the perfection that the true scholars of Islam possess.
To get my point all you need is three different translations of the Quran and to make a comparison of them with eachother. You'll be surprisedat how each author is imposing his own version on you, and you'll see the need to dig deeper or at least appreciate those who do.

(Phew!)

Salaams to all
Reply to Br. Rehman1 :

All 4 fiqhs claim that they have authentic ahadeeth to prove their approaches to understanding and practicing Islam, and no doubt they are all right. By this reasoning, for example, our beloved prophet Mohammed(SAW) prayed salaat many different ways, so if we prayed salaat not just one but all 4 different ways(4 fiqhs) are we doing anything wrong ?

Sorry, brother if I got off on a tangent, but my point is that people nowadays, especially in the USA are building their "own" masajids because of the intolerence for the other fiqhs and this has created , in some cases, deep divisions in the ummah which i am sure was not the intention of the great scholars. So needless to say I feel quite personal about this issue.

Just as an example, we, in our masjid had started to read from Sahih Muslim, but there were objections and one of the reasons was that Sahih Muslim did not represent all the 4 fiqhs.

Sorry for the long reply
JazakAllah Khairan

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*Originally posted by zman: *
Salaams to all
Just as an example, we, in our masjid had started to read from Sahih Muslim, but there were objections and one of the reasons was that Sahih Muslim did not represent all the 4 fiqhs.

Sorry for the long reply
JazakAllah Khairan
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hummm yeh kahan aa gay bhattaktay howay

Assalam Alaykum to all,

There was an incident where RasoolAllah (saw) sent an expedition to Banu Quraydah, he(saw) told them to pray Asr when they get there. Before they had reached them the Asr prayer was due. Half of the sahabi(ra) said RasoolAllah(saw) meant we should go so fast that we reach there for Asr so we are going to pray our Asr prayer now since it is due. The other half said no we will pray Asr when we get there since that is what RasoolAllah(saw) ordered. So when they got there they prayed Asr even though the time for Asr had passed. When they came back to RasoolAllah(saw) both parties wanted to know which one of them was correct. RasoolAllah(saw) did not point to one and say you are wrong and you are right, he(saw) didnt say you are a sect and you are a sect, he(saw) didnt even say you are jannati and you are jahunnumi. What he(saw) said was both of you are right and the one who is absolutely right has two rewards and the one who is right has one reward because they followed exactly what RasoolAllah(saw) said.

So hanafi, maliki, shafii, hanbali or anyone else are not sects they are different schools of thought.

Allah(swt) didnt stop us from having lots of groups the problem is there are some people who dont understand difference of opinion. They are the problem they are the fitna because RasoolAllah(saw) said difference of opinion in my ummah is a blessing

So whether you want to call yourself a barelvi or deobandi its not a problem the problem is when one group considers themselves absolutely right and the others absolutely wrong.

Whatever happened to just being a good Muslim?

Following the five pillars, faith, namaz, hajj, zakat and fasting??

Believing that the Prophet Muhammad :saw: is the last prophet of Allah?

When I was a kid, I didnt’ know there was a such thing as shia muslims, or bahais or ahmedis or bohris or even sunnis, and only now I"m learning about things like sufiism, the schools of thoughts and whatever.