jazakallah khair brother
i loved reading your post. even though my family was not barelvi type to begin with, but i do know that after discovering the so called salafi school, i have gained more knowledge of islam than i had before and have learned the ways. alhamdullillah. i do not call my self salafi or anything and to be muslim is alright for me but i am for all practical purposes listed as 'wahabi' by most people. i still have a lot more to learn about islam so the joruney continues inshallah.
all the four respected imams told their students and followers to follow only their fatwas if they looked at the evidence first. and if a new hadith came up which was sahih and was not known to the imams, they told their followers to follow that instead of their fatwa, so i believe that blind following is not correct when shahih hadiths go against some fatwa in a school of thought. but most people dont even look up the evidence from where the sheikh got his fatwa from and just follow what he says, i think that is not correct, in the day of judgement if we were doing something wrong and Allah asks us about it, we just cant say that so and so told us and we followed, Allah has made knowledge accessible so we just cant present this excuse that we didnt know. learn the evidence of any fatwa and if you are in doubt investigate about the issue and follow it only when the doubts have been removed.
revisionism. look it up.
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.....the problem is when one group considers themselves absolutely right and the others absolutely wrong.
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This is the main issue here and the major cause for division (amongst sunnis at least anyway).
Anyway just a point, between the formation of the four schools of thought around the 9th century and the movement Abdul-Wahabs in the 18th century (900 years), during that period how many scholars belonged to a school of thought and how many could be considered 'Salafi'.
M, the answer to your question lies in that one word I direct your attention to: revisionism.
These words “…both of you are right and the one who is absolutely right has…” are not part of the same Banu Quraiza hadith are they? You’ve added them from another hadith haven’t you?
The hadith could be said to relate to a matter of ijtihad where a statement could reasonably be interpreted two ways… it doesn’t however follow that every opinion on a matter is valid and that every other thing can also therefore be interpreted two or more ways…
this article explains what to choose
And, finally, killing of Muslims by Muslims strengthens the worldview held by a section of global society that Islam is an intolerant religion without respect for human life.
If Muslims can kill fellow Muslims, what is there to stop them from killing non-Muslims? Stretching further this logic, can the followers of this faith be trusted with nuclear weapons? Witness the current spotlight on Iran and past attempts on Pakistan to cap, roll-back and eliminate its nuclear weapons system.
For Pakistan the answer is simple. In order to enhance its self-respect and self-interest it must act immediately and forcefully to end sectarian violence. The first step is to show respect for human life to fellow Pakistanis. In simple terms, if Pakistanis do not respect the lives of their fellow citizens, why should the world respect them or hear their concerns
As if killing only happens in the Muslim countries. Do some research you would be surprised.
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Assalam Alaykum to all,
There was an incident where RasoolAllah (saw) sent an expedition to Banu Quraydah, he(saw) told them to pray Asr when they get there. Before they had reached them the Asr prayer was due. Half of the sahabi(ra) said RasoolAllah(saw) meant we should go so fast that we reach there for Asr so we are going to pray our Asr prayer now since it is due. The other half said no we will pray Asr when we get there since that is what RasoolAllah(saw) ordered. So when they got there they prayed Asr even though the time for Asr had passed. When they came back to RasoolAllah(saw) both parties wanted to know which one of them was correct. RasoolAllah(saw) did not point to one and say you are wrong and you are right, he(saw) didnt say you are a sect and you are a sect, he(saw) didnt even say you are jannati and you are jahunnumi. What he(saw) said was both of you are right and the one who is absolutely right has two rewards and the one who is right has one reward because they followed exactly what RasoolAllah(saw) said.
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wasalam,
jazakallah.
Lajawab, jazakallah.
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jazakallah khair brother
i loved reading your post. even though my family was not barelvi type to begin with, but i do know that after discovering the so called salafi school, i have gained more knowledge of islam than i had before and have learned the ways. alhamdullillah. i do not call my self salafi or anything and to be muslim is alright for me but i am for all practical purposes listed as 'wahabi' by most people. i still have a lot more to learn about islam so the joruney continues inshallah.
all the four respected imams told their students and followers to follow only their fatwas if they looked at the evidence first. and if a new hadith came up which was sahih and was not known to the imams, they told their followers to follow that instead of their fatwa, so i believe that blind following is not correct when shahih hadiths go against some fatwa in a school of thought. but most people dont even look up the evidence from where the sheikh got his fatwa from and just follow what he says, i think that is not correct, in the day of judgement if we were doing something wrong and Allah asks us about it, we just cant say that so and so told us and we followed, Allah has made knowledge accessible so we just cant present this excuse that we didnt know. learn the evidence of any fatwa and if you are in doubt investigate about the issue and follow it only when the doubts have been removed.
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Assalam Aleekum
Everybody who talks about believe in Allah and following the way of
Sunnah is a Wahabi.
Talk about not going to a mazar or doing bidah(innovation),
so you are declared wahabi.
And the best part is the only famous book of Shiek Abdul Wahab
is about Aqeedah Tawheed.
take care
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Salaams to all
Reply to Br. Rehman1 :
All 4 fiqhs claim that they have authentic ahadeeth to prove their approaches to understanding and practicing Islam, and no doubt they are all right. By this reasoning, for example, our beloved prophet Mohammed(SAW) prayed salaat many different ways, so if we prayed salaat not just one but all 4 different ways(4 fiqhs) are we doing anything wrong ?
Sorry, brother if I got off on a tangent, but my point is that people nowadays, especially in the USA are building their "own" masajids because of the intolerence for the other fiqhs and this has created , in some cases, deep divisions in the ummah which i am sure was not the intention of the great scholars. So needless to say I feel quite personal about this issue.
Just as an example, we, in our masjid had started to read from Sahih Muslim, but there were objections and one of the reasons was that Sahih Muslim did not represent all the 4 fiqhs.
Sorry for the long reply
JazakAllah Khairan
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Assalam Aleekum
Saheeh Muslim se kissee ko kia takleef heee.I hope It
was not Fazail e Amal.
I agree that all Four school of thoughts are on the right track.
We must follow them striclty If we feel that we cannot investigate
issues on our own . Let the burden be on the scholars.
I feel that all scholars are 100% correct as far as our basic beliefs are
concerned.
And for the minor fatwas If there is difference , I don't feel that Its
a big issue.
Assalam Alaikum all,
gupguppy,
I havent mixed two ahadith and about the second one , may Allah(swt) forgive me you were right. It was actually a famous saying, Umar bin Abdul Aziz ( Umar bin Al Khattab's(ra) grandson) who said that difference of opinion in the Ummah is a blessing. JazakAllah for that.
The issue is as long as a Muslim uses Qur'an and Sunnah to make a judgement on anything it will be valid from Islam. Whether or not it is strong or weak is always debated.
The issue of sects, a sect is one who has deviated in aqeedah i.e. the original followers of Isa(as) will go to Jannah but not the ones who deviated in aqeedah and started to say that he is god or son of god.
The same thing is true for us. In Islam the ones who deviate in aqeedah like the qadianis, ismailis, aga khans, nation of islam, or of the past the followers of musaylimah, these are of the 72 sects that will go to jahunnum.
Islamabad,
Re: naming yourself a certain way, I do have a couple of things to add to the discussion. First off, the Quran calls amongst the muslims the ansaar and the muhajirin, is this creating a sect?? No, its not. At other places, the word 'Hizb Ullah' is used, and again that does not create a separate sect.
The truth is that creating a sect or division occurs from other things.. innovations in the religion create sects, you differentiating b/w "white" and "black" and "colored" muslims creates sects, you choosing to wilfully go against islam, and yet call it islam creates sects. Naming by itself, if it is true, does not create a sect. If you follow the salaf, if you follow ahadith, then calling yourself Salafi, Ahlus-sunnah wal Jama'ah, Ahlul hadith wal athar, is only a mere statement of the fact of the path that you've chosen. Its your actions which create sects, and not how you choose to project your beliefs.
And Allah (subhana hu wa ta'ala) knows best.
There only is one from of Islam. Islam is what our prophet Muhammed (pbuh) preached and practiced. Dont follow what others say do research and understand islam for yourself. Read the Quran in english or any other langauge you can preferbalt Arabic if you undertand it (takes out errors in translation). Read the hadith www.islamsoft.com or .co.uk i think has free searchable download copy.
I know a few Barelvi from school and they never backup any of their views only what Qari something said it so must be true. That Qari gulam something was a person who used his followers for money. He once told a widow your husband is getting cold food in his grave. Give me a microwave and he shall have hot food. The widow believed him and bought the qari a new microwave for him and his family, next on his shopping list was a fridge. He was even selling passports to janat. Give me £2000 and you will be guarantied a place in heaven. It all sounds so stupid but he a large number of followers in the community. I was recently having a deabte with a freind who is a Barelvi and she said peer can fix anything. They have powers and worshipped them aswell as god. Most of these sects are created by people who use it for political and economic reasons. They benefit from it.
I heard something like on the day of judgment there will be 70 or 60 something sects calling themselves muslims only one will be real muslims. So make sure you follow the Quran and follow how our prophet lived and not what others like Ahmed preached.
Sounds alot like Christainity in the middle ages instead of Islam.
anyone who asks dead saints for help or believes that alive ones have power to guarantee you jannah commits shirk and needs to repent or otherwise hell is always waiting for people..may allah protect us from shirk and all other kabira sins
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revisionism. look it up.
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And what should be revised brother Ravage?