well?
An imaginary sexual partner that the molvis claim they will receive in heaven.
actually a manifestation of their secret wishes.
koran talks about young guys and girls in heaven, as companions, only for the sake of good company.
I, as an ahmedi, actually believe that there will not be any sexual pleasure in heaven.
We must consider that sex is a biological phenomenon related to reproduction, and their is no reproduction in heaven.
I am supposed to be a "kaafir" for beliving that :)
Lets wait for some "muslim" opinion.
i once had a discussion with a molvi saab about this topic. After three hours of discussion, when molvi saab finally couldnt keep the idea of a houri being a sexual partner, he replied, "but what do you say?"
I tried to explain it to explain it to him that there will be no sexual pleasure in heaven. Once he was sure of it, he was deeply shocked, looked at me, and replied,
" to phir faida? "
lol.. :) :) :)
frustration and perversion goes hand in hand, so are the hoors and maulvis.
but they forget to mention how many hoors per maulvi, is it same 4:1 ?
Jewels, will there be some quota system or it on first come first serve basis.
dil behlanay ko khayal acha hai zalim
salams n stuff,
well a very good question!! but but but...
is there going to be a HEAVEN at all???
and if yes
then the the hoor thingi how many can i have ?
do they come with optional air bag (big or small) and other accessories ?
if all is true are we going to have any genitals ?
Once i talked to this mullah ( mullah ki badmashi Masjid main) he said that ya wife will be the leader of the hoors in heaven.
People u think life is tough here on earth wait till u die
after death you will get ....
Hell in Grave
and then u goto walk that sword bridge or something.
then If you pass that then u will be in heaven and there goes end of life caz ya wife or wives will be there to make sure you dont enjoy :)
i rather have Hell caz hell is smoking zone :)and smoking does bady good just like milk :)
Kashmirigirl,
Allah knows best. I'm not going to speculate.
Jewels,
What is your secret desire?
PeerSimms,
Glad you like the thought of going to hell. Have you had a promonition or something?
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Mr. or Miss PeerSIMMS:
First of all I would request to you that please do not make fun of religious matters. If you do not believe, that is your personal choice but making fun of others believe make it open for every one and then it is not longer your personal choice.
I have been seeing on all forums that some people purposly propagating this topic on almost all the forums in Gupshup (About the hoors) to creat the miss concepts.
Listen: I would not pray for your to go to hell, even it is your choice, I would pray that Allah (SWT) give you the true understanding of Islam. One more thing, Only Muslims would go to heaven. No matter how nice, poise and noble a non-muslim is, he/she is going to hell for ever after death.
I know it makes some nonsense people frustrated, when I tell them that Mother Thresa is burning in the Hell fire despite of her all good deads she had done in her life, you know why becasue she was a non-believer kafir.
So whatever you do, please do not become the non-believer Kafir, because the mistakes and sins could be forgiven by the Allah (SWT) but non-believing would never be forgiven.
Only Muslims who believe in Allah (As a Unique and the only one) and who believe in the finality of Prophethood of Muhammad (SAW) would go to heaven, other will be burnt in the hell fire for ever.
Now the question come for those who are sinners. Yes sinners (only muslims sinners) would either be forgiven by the Allah (SWT) or they would have to face a limited time of punishment and then they would eventually enter into the heaven but the Kafirs, Mushriks and non-believers (does not matter how poise they were in their lives) would be burnt in the hell fire for ever.
That is why I tell the Muslims, please, do not become the disbelievers.
Well if sex is such a bad thing then perhaps Mr Jewels descended from the sky. Just kidding!.
Sex is a gift from Allah that both the males and females enjoy and there is nothing wrong with it as long as it is done within the boundaries of Islam. In Jannat, we will be allowed to fulfill all our desires. I, for one have a deep desire to enjoy sex. After all it is on fitrat or human nature.
To view sex as only a vehicle to produce babies is narrow thinking on part of Ahamdis. In today's world there are other ways to produce babies so should we stop having sex and kill the instinct that Allah has given to us. No sir, this is utmost ungratefullness towards Allah by denying his sweet favor.
This raises the question that since we would not have to use restroom in Jannat, why is there a mention of food then in the Quran?. I am certainly interested in Ahmadi perspective since these folks have a knack of coming up with the weirdest explanantions of the holy Quran to date.
well mr or miss or It msaqibj,
first of all u cant make me stop saying stuff.
second thing about mommy thresa being her a kafir or anything YOU cant decide that nor u can call her kafir!! caz you dont have the right to call anyone anything. Another thing go and read ya books on islam and quran again ca u lack something which the wise men call ' knowledge'. Your lack of islamic knowledge is going to give you more sins then the good deeds u do :)
THe thing about someone being kafir well Prophet Mohammed always said.. never to call anyone kafir no matter wot. caz Kafir is a strong term to be used for a non muslim let alone calin a muslim kafir.
another thing u goto like chill man!! u cant bring islam n stuff into everytopic posting u see.
then again i know u r one of those peeps who just wont take No for an answer. there is a term for u ppl its called " stereotype Geek" in english and in urdu u r called Mullah.
w-salams
Jai Peeri.
well mr or miss or It msaqibj,
first of all u cant make me stop saying stuff.
second thing about mommy thresa being her a kafir or anything YOU cant decide that nor u can call her kafir!! caz you dont have the right to call anyone anything. Another thing go and read ya books on islam and quran again ca u lack something which the wise men call ' knowledge'. Your lack of islamic knowledge is going to give you more sins then the good deeds u do :)
THe thing about someone being kafir well Prophet Mohammed always said.. never to call anyone kafir no matter wot. caz Kafir is a strong term to be used for a non muslim let alone calin a muslim kafir.
another thing u goto like chill man!! u cant bring islam n stuff into everytopic posting u see.
then again i know u r one of those peeps who just wont take No for an answer. there is a term for u ppl its called " stereotype Geek" in english and in urdu u r called Mullah.
w-salams
Jai Peeri.
Dear PeerSIMMS:
First of all some clarifications:
I did not call you kafir and I did not call any muslim kafir in my whole life and I am proud of it. I know calling Kafir to a Muslim could be a bigger sin than being a Kafir:
I called the Mother Thresa "A kafir" and I am right to call her Kafir because she was a Kafir.
Any thing else?
From my that posting which made you angry,All I meant was that being a non-practicing muslim is not as harmfull as being a disbeliever. By saying that I had a few points to make it clear
First: I believe that being a non-practicing muslim is between Allah (SWT) and that person but being a disbeliever is between the Muslims and that person.
Second: Non-practcing muslim would go to heaven after being forgiven by Allah (SWT) or after completing his/her punishment but disbeliever would never go to heaven.
I hope I cleared my point this time
Extreme,
--- ** saying: **
* What is your secret desire?*
--- ** reply: **
** Reply thou, to their evil talk, with that, which is very beautiful. **
* ( chapter 23, the believers, verse 97 ) *
If you believe my talk was evil, and that of an unbeliever, your reply was not according to the koran either. things speak for themselves.
I qadeer,
my brother.
--- ** saying **
* In Jannat, we will be allowed to fulfill all our desires. I, for one have a deep desire to enjoy sex. After all it is on fitrat or human nature. *
--- ** reply **
My brother, it is true that it is the human nature to have sexual feelings. Me and you, and many of us have sexual desires, but what i condemn is the sexual desires being the driving force for one's deeds, compelling them to make changes to the religion.
You are particularly right that desire for sex is a basic characteristic of human beings. This desire for sex has been induced in us, by allah, in order to continue the process of reproduction and maintain the human population.
In jannat, there will be no need for reproduction. right? then why will there be a need for sex?
Sex, in this world, is a source of pleaure. and pleasure originates at mind. In jannat, there will be a lot of pleasure in being close to allah, and attaining higher and higher spiritual status. Why will sexual pleasure be needed then?
If you still want me to believe that their WILL be sexual pleasure in heaven, then please show me any verse of the koran which tells that. koran has, in many verses, talked about good company of young males and females. Has it talked about sexual relationship with them? if yes, please quote koran.
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Jewels,
This is what you said;
"An imaginary sexual partner that the molvis claim they will receive in heaven.
actually a manifestation of their secret wishes."
In reply I said;
"What is your secret desire?"
Why is my talk filthy and not yours?
You are assuming that you know what is in the minds of maulvis and then putting evil slant on their thoughts.
We did not write the Qur'an and we did not put the words into the mouth of Mohammed(SAW). The answers to this question can all be found in the Ayats of Qur'an and Hadith books.
If you don't believe them then that is up to you.
You said;
"Sex, in this world, is a source of pleaure. and pleasure originates at mind. In jannat, there will be a lot of pleasure in being close to allah, and attaining higher and higher spiritual status. Why will sexual pleasure be needed then?"
You seem to be making a lot of assumptions. How do you know what you are saying is true? Do you know man better than Allah(swt) and his messenger(saw)?
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All right…I have to say this, even though girls aren't "supposed" to admit knowledge of the subject.
Someone once told me that sexual pleasure was a little bit of heaven….if sex is the ultimate pleasure….and jannat is full of pleasure….then it will be 24/7 orgasmic experience.
But, that doesn't mean sex…just pleasure.
Anyway….the issue isn't if sex is allowable in jannat or not….god is going to reward you for your deeds…I think you'll get whatever you wish.
I read that a houri is a chaste woman who is reconstructed into the most physically perfect woman…and who is there to take care of you. No good…..I want my own hourah…(male houri)
Msaqbji….who proclaimed you al muqsit and al hakam?
We do not know what is in someone's heart and what Allah SWT will choose to decide.
If we succumb to the assumption that only Muslims are the chosen believers. And only Muslims will go to heaven, then we are guilty of the same arrogance of the Jews.
Yes Moderator, Allah has gifted us a life full of pleasures. There is pleasure in everything, it depends on an individual how he perceives it. The quality of pleasure one observe is different from the other. Some gain gratification by 24/7 type stuff and some by simple bowing down in front of Allah, the magnitude is the same in every blessing. The choice is yours !
As far as the concept of Jannat and Dozakh is concerned, no one actually knows the exact knowledge of it, except Prophets. To us, its a spiritual dimension which cannot be imagined by a normal human brain. Like a color-blind person, for example, have no idea what red or green or blue is, though knows that there is something called colors, so is the assumption of Jannat.
Well the desire is the very essence of man. On the brink satiated, desire still appears infinite. Man survive earth quakes, epidemics, the horrors of disease, and all the agonies of the soul, but for all time his tormenting tragedy is, and will be, the tragedy of the intimate relations.
Nine-tenth of what which is attributed to sexuality is the work of our magnificent ability to imagine, which is no longer an instinct, but exactly the opposite: a creation.
The desire of a maulvi for a hoori is not directed at her because she is a human being, but because she is a hoori. That she is a human being is of no concern to him.
Lastly I would like to say to have some respect of this great religion of Allah, Islam is far above than these fairy-tales.
:)!
Kashmirigirl,
In my view neither you or msaqibj is wrong.
You are right to say that no one knows what Allah(swt) will decide and we should be careful of being too judgemental. I stress this is only my view.
At the same time, msaqibj is only repeating what is in the texts of muslim literature which is verifiable by independent authority.
Islam has stood the test of time, unlike Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity or Communism.
That is because it is the truth.
Your insight is valuable. Keep asking your questions.
Dear i qadeer,
the remaining reply.
The Ahmedi perspective on food and drinks, and other worldly and physical gifts
promissed in the jannat, is that these sayings are metaphorical, and actually mean to
promise spiritual pleasures, by using the names of worldly gifts as metaphors to make
us understand the spiritual pleaures. Could we have understood the spiritual pleasures
otherwise? it is common that the things one can not imagine otherwise are explained
by examples. Taking the examples as the real things is certainly stupid.
The koran says:
No soul knows what comfort is laid up for them secretly, as a recompense for that
they are doing.
( chapter 32, prostration, verse 32 )
If the food articles mentioned in the koran are real incidents, then everybody knows
what are the joys of heaven. We all know what honey tastes like, and what is the
taste of dates. Then if allah says that we do not know the pleaure, it certainly means
that the talking of worldly gifts is metaphorical.
To further prove my point, i would refer this verse of the koran:
" The examplary description that is promissed to the godfearing:
beneath it rivers flow, its fruit is eternal, and its shade. that is the requital of
godfearing! "
(chapter 13, thunder, verse 36)
Yousaf Ali:
The parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised!- beneath it flow rivers:
perpetual is the enjoyment thereof and the shade therein: such is the end of the
Righteous;
Picthall:
A similitude of the Garden which is promised unto those who keep their duty (to
Allah): Underneath it rivers flow; its food is everlasting, and it shade; this is the
reward of those who keep their duty,
Shakir:
A likeness of the garden which the righteous are promised; there now beneath it
rivers, its food and shades are perpetual; this is the requital of those who guarded
(against evil),
Here it is said that the worldly gifts like fruits and rivers are metaphors, and are used
as an example, as is depicted by the above verse. So no doubt is remaining.
also note that two chapters talk about beautiful women present in the jannat.
Chapter 37, the rangers, and chapter 55, the merciful. Both the verses, after talking
about these women, tell us that the jannatis will be sitting on cushions, talking about
god. Nowhere does koran give any hint whatsoever about any sexual relationship with
those females.
Allah has told us that having sexual pleasure wih those other than our wives is a great
sin, and is wrong. why will he allow us to do the same thing with houris in jannat? and
if he will then where is it stated in the koran?
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Zalim,
I am only a human being. I have my desires and I have my wishes. Some of them are good and some of them are probably bad(naozubillah).
I am sorry that you consider some material as fairytales. Why don't you be more specific? If it is the truth there is no need to be shy.