What exactly is a houri?

dear kashmiri girl,

You are very true! if males will get perfect sexual partners, why will females not get the same?

The molvis have changed islam for their own benefit, and used the name of islam to implement male dominance in the society! Therefore they are just interested satisfying the sexual desires of males and not females.

the same are they! the same do they think of allah!

And i still hold an open challenge that out of the two chapters that talk about such women, or out of the whole koran, they can not find any verse mentioning any sort of sexual relationship between the male and his hoori.

As for the second point,

true that god will fulfill your wish, but do you say you are being righteous and believing just to fulfill your sexual desires with perfect males?

The major force that drives an ahmedi to god is the love of god, and ahmedis believe that the pleasure in heaven will be of spiritual nature.!

materialistic molvis believe in a materialistic religion, and have cooked up fairy tales which show their desires!

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theres no need of unfruitfl arguments. we ahmedis love god and will continue to be righteous for the love of god, while you molvis can follow your religion for sexual and materialistic reward.

We will be happy only with spiritual reward. And you will be happy with a sexual one.

I pray to god that he fulfills our desires.

O allah, please fulfill the spiritual desires of the ahmedis, and the sexual desires of the molvis.

Amen!

Jewels,

What do you really know of "spiritual" rewards and "sexual" rewards?

Allah has created us as he wished.

Why are you trying to deny how he has created you?

I know what I feel, and I know that I love women. If that is part of Jannat then I cannot think of a more perfect Jannat. If you feel something different then good luck to you.

If this makes me low, then I guess I am low. I thank Allah for showing me this lowness. You want to equate with Allah and with his majesty then it is up to you. Don't kid yourself though Jewels, you got the same desires and feelings as anybody else.

[This message has been edited by Roman (edited June 01, 1999).]

Dear Extreme,

Although all ahmedis have got this desire, we are ready to control our desire for allah's will, and our desire for spirituality is more than our desire for sex!

We control our sexual desires and nourish the spiritual ones, o allah, please fulfill our spiritual desires.

Molvis love sexual desires more than spiritual ones, o allah, please fulfill their sexual desires.

I love allah, and i want his nearness!
me extreme loves women, and he wants their nearness!

So as we ahmedis wish for spirituality, ascending thru higher and higher stages of spirituality and love of god,
the molvis fulfill their sexual desires, living a life of 24/7 sexual orgasms.

As we have a moderator now, i would request him, if he is reading this, that this guy Mr.extreme has been using this foul word against me, in all three of his posts, which is against the rules of the forum.

I am offended by the word and would request serious action against mr extreme.

Mr Xtreme - It seems to me that you used an objectionable word not once, twice, but even four times attacking a member in a personal manner. Please refrain from such language and usage of expression in future so that we can keep the environment here clean and decent.

No religion teaches using such language or personal attacks on others. Please keep that in mind when talking about religion itself.

I would appreciate your cooperation

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[This message has been edited by Roman (edited June 01, 1999).]

Dear Jewels

Although all ahmedis have got this desire, we are ready to control our desire for allah's will.......

First of all, why do you think that in order to acheive spiritual elevation you must part with your sexual desires. In fact, the opposite is true. Our religion does not teach Rohbanniyat i.e. asceticism, to leave the world and devote oneself in worship of Allah day and night. This was the way of monks and it has been rejected by the Quran. A man is given permission to have wive(s) lawfully thereby he does not commit adultery to satisfy this desire. I cannot imagine the pain of a person who would try something as unnatural as containing the sexual desire just to please Allah. Where is that commanded. In fact, we are told to follow the sunnat and the sunnat is to satisfy this desire.

Now some people have a lot of sexual desire while others don't and there is nothing wrong in having more of it if you have an outlet. If Molvis have more of it there is no need to be jealous. At least they are in no need of viagra.
By the way, if you do beleive in Ahadith, it is narrated to the effect that our beloved Mohammad (peace be upon him) loved three things in this earth: Women, Scent, and Salaat (coolness of his eyes).

If you still want to take the course of christian monks to spiritual elevation by cutting of your desire then do as you please. I can only pray for your soul.

How interesting? I also like women, scent and coolness of my eyes. Great men think alike.

kashmirigirl with all due regards, I would stick with my statement I made before that only muslims would go to heaven. Only muslims who believe in Allah (SWT) with all his uniquness and the final Prophethood of Muhammad (SAW).
Non-believers, does not matter how good they were in their life would definitly go to hell (Jehanum). Being a nice person is different than being a believer. If a person does not believe in Allah (SWT) with all HIS uniquness and does not believe in the final Prophethood of Muhammad (SAW), this will clear off all the gooddies he/she had done in his/her life and that person would go to Hell.
I am not judgmental, I am just conveying the message that only muslims would go to heaven

Jewels,

My message has already been altered by the moderator, though given your remarks in your posts my description can't have been that far off the mark. If you want to talk about molvis having secret sexual desires then you should have the decency to take it on the chin when someone answers you in a like manner.

I note that you "request serious action against mr extreme"

What exactly do you want? Everybody who doesn't agree with you to be chucked out?

Roman,

If a molvi quotes Qurani ayah about Houris then it is ok to assume he is sex-starved pervert.

If a person describes himself as easy going I might say "you sound like a liberal."

If a person says that he does not believe in God then I might say "you sound like an atheist"

Isn't it a fair assumption?

[This message has been edited by Roman (edited June 02, 1999).]

Oh Dear,

Straight talking is out of the window.

Looks like I'm not going to last long here with the new moderator.

[This message has been edited by Roman (edited June 02, 1999).]

Well, looks like we are not talking about the topic at hand anymore. And this is definitely not a place to pass on personal comments on others.