What does Islam say?

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Diwana,

Your posts have been answered repeatedly with yards and yards of text regarding separate housing but it seems you're practicing selective reading in this thread. I cannot help you with that, it seems more of a personal problem.

As I have said before and will say again...if you do not care about your parents enough to set the examples...please don't expect your wife to care.

As for my children being raised properly...well...at least now I know what NOT to raise them as. :)

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Diwana,

Your posts have been answered repeatedly with yards and yards of text regarding separate housing but it seems you're practicing selective reading in this thread. I cannot help you with that, it seems more of a personal problem.

As I have said before and will say again...if you do not care about your parents enough to set the examples...please don't expect your wife to care.

As for my children being raised properly...well...at least now I know what NOT to raise them as. :)

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The site did not give complete verse which is as below:

[Talaq 65:6] Accommodate them where you also reside, according to your means, and do not harass them to make it difficult upon them; and if they are pregnant, give them the provision till they deliver their burden; then if they suckle the child for you, pay them its due; and consult with each other in a reasonable manner; and if you create hardship for one another, the child will get another breast feeding nurse.

[Talaq 65:7] Whoever has the capacity must give provisions according to his means; and the one whose sustenance is restricted upon him, must give provisions from what Allah has given him; Allah does not burden any soul except according to what He has given it; **Allah will soon, after the hardship, create ease. **


Isn’t it what I said earlier. If it is possible.

Separate living is not mentioned in the verse. Provision of residence is.

The person who wrote the article has emphsized right to privacy. Not really ‘separate’ living.

Privacy as your own link says can be provided under same roof. Or attached unit.

But separate house may not be possible in a lot of marriages.

Like I said above, women should make it clear before marrying this intention. And have to be realistic and deal with the issue in reasonable manner.

Putting pressure on man in having a separate house is bound to be futile.

As to not having any obligation to cookng or doing something for parent in laws, the person who wrote that did not give any reference to this position. If that were true then women also should not expect a lot of good from them either these include:

1- Taking care of them in early days of marriage. Like teaching them many ways of life to make them experienced in marital life with their husband.

2- Taking care of them while they are pregnant.

3- Helping with their children.

4- Being suportive of their emotional needs or when they have dispute with husband.

5- Giving them gifts, Jewlary, clothings etc.

It is not their right to expect these also.

What I mean is the negativity brings negativity. With closeness, they get a lot of emotional and monetary benefits.

They also do not end up putting their husband in tough situation if work together with in-laws.

Off course if helping her in-laws hinder her ability to take care of her children or husband then there should not be a requirement.

But just remember, life and relationships are not mathematical equation of two plus two four. Somewhere if someone shows patience, other person will return the favor.

**“Allah will soon, after the hardship, create ease.” **:slight_smile:

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It also says to not make life difficult for your wife…but that went over your head because again we’re practicing selective reading.

I don’t understand this need to constantly bait and test a woman…its like you expect her to prove her worthiness by making sure she suffers first. Again, WHY would you want to see your spouse in pain or hurt them? Does it make you feel better knowing you managed to make your mom triumph over your wife? Like you “showed” her whose boss?

I dont know ANY inlaws that provide the DIL with emotional support when she argues with her husband! This is emotional fluff as I like to call it.

When women are pregnant, they go to their parents’ home because their mother will care for them whereas most MILs will not.

NO inlaws take care of a woman in her early days of marriage! More emotional fluff that has no real or practical example to even back it up!

Correction on helping with the children: most women that work do it to support their home and help their husbands somehow. The least inlaws can do is take care of the kids…if that is too much…then dont demand DIL live with you.

Ive NEVER personally expected any MIL to gift me anything…not one thing. In fact, my ex MIL was gifted gold and clothes herself. I have enough Alhumdulillah.

Diwana, you will have to do better than this because what we’re looking for is actual substance. I need to see something backing up your claim that a woman does NOT have the right to live on her own. That a woman’s mother created a lie and spread it like a rumor to compete with a guy’s mom. :rolleyes: And if you cannot provide me with that reference, go back and edit your post.

Try again.

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It also says to not make life difficult for your wife…but that went over your head because again we’re practicing selective reading.

I don’t understand this need to constantly bait and test a woman…its like you expect her to prove her worthiness by making sure she suffers first. Again, WHY would you want to see your spouse in pain or hurt them? Does it make you feel better knowing you managed to make your mom triumph over your wife? Like you “showed” her whose boss?

I dont know ANY inlaws that provide the DIL with emotional support when she argues with her husband! This is emotional fluff as I like to call it.

When women are pregnant, they go to their parents’ home because their mother will care for them whereas most MILs will not.

NO inlaws take care of a woman in her early days of marriage! More emotional fluff that has no real or practical example to even back it up!

Correction on helping with the children: most women that work do it to support their home and help their husbands somehow. The least inlaws can do is take care of the kids…if that is too much…then dont demand DIL live with you.

Ive NEVER personally expected any MIL to gift me anything…not one thing. In fact, my ex MIL was gifted gold and clothes herself. I have enough Alhumdulillah.

Diwana, you will have to do better than this because what we’re looking for is actual substance. I need to see something backing up your claim that a woman does NOT have the right to live on her own. That a woman’s mother created a lie and spread it like a rumor to compete with a guy’s mom. :rolleyes: And if you cannot provide me with that reference, go back and edit your post.

Try again.

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Funny how it is literally ONLY desi men who say this, isn't it? If practically every other Muslim guy in the world can manage it why can't Pakistanis/Indians/Bangladeshis??

Isn't that quite embarrassing when u think about it?

Anyway, believe what u want to believe, it has been made clear that absolute bare minimum is a bedroom with a lock on the door, bathroom and place to cook but if u can afford a separate house and wife would like it ur obliged to provide her with that. If u can't manage the bare minimum of a private portion of the house ur prob not ready to get married.. Marriage comes with responsibilities, unfortunately some desi men can't seem to get their heads around that basic fact.

*Btw, u conveniently failed to mention that living in the same house with the husband's brother or any other non-mehrams is haram.
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Ok wife has the right to demand separate house..
Does the guy have a right to live with his mother? (minus the DEATH brother in law...because father in law is i think mehram)

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^Of course he has, he could always move her into his home with his wife.. that way his wife and kids have their own home and space (and aren't cramped with little/no privacy living out of one - or two rooms in inlaws house) and mum isn't neglected or lonely either :)

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A women shouldn't be forced to live with her in-laws, and her wanting to live separately shouldn't be looked as this horrible thing, but in all honesty though , living with in-laws isn't that bad. I live with my in-laws and I would never give it up.

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Diwana, it seems as if I am supposed to take offense to your comments about my ex-MIL and whatnot.

But Im not offended because you have limited knowledge and dont know any better so we'll let this go.

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Diwana, it seems as if I am supposed to take offense to your comments about my ex-MIL and whatnot.

But Im not offended because you have limited knowledge and dont know any better so we'll let this go.

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^It was only a logical question based on your comment. If you sense it was in any way offensive, with my sincere apology I have edited the post. :)

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I actually try to infer from talking with a possible suitor if he's a mamma's boy... it would definitely bother me if I was expected to take care of my husband's whole family when taking care of him alone would be such a task. I don't ask directly lol coz that'll obviously be rude. I know Islam does not prefer joint family system... all of the Prophet's (p.b.u.h) wives (a.s) had their own personal space and it doesn't say anywhere that their duties included 'taking care of the in-laws'. If a woman wants to then that's her choice. Now disrespecting the in-laws is a totally different thing and unacceptable for both parties.

Similarly the wife can't stop his husband from marrying another woman except ask him not to but it'll be the man's choice in the end. There is no preference of Islam in this case except the husband's ability to treat her/them justly. This might sound stupid but i ask my suitors if they're the single wife type or not lol... it's funny in the moment but in my head i know what to make of it. After all its a commitment of a lifetime - we can do our best and leave the rest to Allah (s.w.t).

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there is no islamic advice to live with in laws or not...
its upon mutal understanding

as providing place of living is upon man...if girl be4 nikah says ill not live with in laws(weather groom signs in paper he will not take in joint system or not) he cant take her to his parents home as nikah made with this condition...

but in case they didnt talk abt it providing place of living is upon man & he should make a nice place if wife doesnt feel good in inlaws home so its his duty to make a home according her honor..it can be near parents home or more far but not inside...

also for islamic point of view living with namahram in same house isnt adviced

best is to talk these things & put conditions rather its odd in islamic country but Bibi Zeinab took her husband signs on nikah contract that she can daily visit her bro....or such conditions r not odd but islamic coutries goes according their culture that they feel if they sign its misrespct or insult & etc...