What does death of OBL means for Pakistan?

We obviously don’t know what is going on in the background, but Pakistan has to be cautious. The defense establishment needs to cut its ties with radical groups, and it is time to eliminate the groups that are creating problems not just for Pakistan, but for the entire region.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/world/asia/03pakistan.html

Bin Laden’s Death Likely to Deepen Suspicions of Pakistan
By JANE PERLEZ
Published: May 2, 2011

The killing of Osama bin Laden deep inside Pakistan in an American operation, almost in plain sight in a medium-sized city that hosts numerous Pakistani forces, seems certain to further inflame tensions between the United States and Pakistan and raise significant questions about whether elements of the Pakistani spy agency knew the whereabouts of the leader of Al Qaeda.

The presence of Bin Laden in Pakistan, something Pakistani officials have long dismissed, goes to the heart of the lack of trust Washington has felt over the last 10 years with its contentious ally, the Pakistani military and its powerful spy partner, the Inter-Services Intelligence.

With Bin Laden’s death, perhaps the central reason for an alliance forged on the ashes of 9/11 has been removed, at a moment when relations between the countries are already at one of their lowest points as their strategic interests diverge over the shape of a post-war Afghanistan.

For nearly a decade, the United States has paid Pakistan more than $1 billion a year for counterterrorism operations whose chief aim was the killing or capture of Bin Laden, who slipped across the border from Afghanistan after the American invasion.

The circumstance of Bin Laden’s death may not only jeopardize that aid, but will also no doubt deepen suspicions that Pakistan has played a double game, and perhaps even knowingly harbored the Qaeda leader.

Bin Laden was not killed in the remote and relatively lawless tribal regions, where the United States has run a campaign of drone attacks aimed at Qaeda militants, where he was long rumored to have taken refuge, and where the reach of the Pakistani government is limited.

Rather, he was killed in Abbottabad, a city of about 500,000, in a large and highly secured compound that, a resident of the city said, sits virtually adjacent to the grounds of a military academy. In an ironic twist, the academy was visited just last month by the Pakistani military chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, where he proclaimed that Pakistan had “cracked” the forces of terrorism, an assessment that was greeted with skepticism in Washington.

In addition, the city hosts numerous Pakistani forces — three different regiments, and a unit of the Army Medical Corps. According to some reports, the compound and its elaborate walls and security gates may have been built specifically for the Qaeda leader in 2005, hardly an obscure undertaking in a part of the city that the resident described as highly secure.

A Qaeda operative, Umar Patek, an Indonesian involved in the Bali bombings in 2002, was captured in a house in Abbottabad in February where he was protected by a Qaeda courier, who worked as a clerk at the city post office.

Almost instantly, the death of Bin Laden in such a place in Pakistan led to fresh recriminations from its neighbors.

“The fundamental challenge is how does the West treat Pakistan from now on?” said Amrullah Saleh, the former intelligence director for Afghanistan and a fierce foe of Pakistan.

Still, it was too soon to say whether Bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad reflected Pakistani complicity or incompetence.

The capture in Pakistan of other top Qaeda operatives, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah, in the years immediately after 9/11 make it clear that Pakistan, a large country with a population relatively sympathetic to Al Qaeda, is easy to hide in, despite Pakistani denials. But those high-profile joint operations have declined in the last few years.

At the very least, Bin Laden’s death in Pakistan now will be highly embarrassing to the country’s military and intelligence establishment.

After the killing of Bin Laden became public in Pakistan, an ISI official confirmed his death but then insisted, contrary to President Obama’s statement, that he was killed in a joint United States-Pakistani operation, apparently an effort to show that Pakistan knew about the operation in advance.

On Monday, General Kayani, President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan, and the ISI chief, Lt. Gen. Ahmad Shuja Pasha, met in Islamabad but had not issued any statement more than six hours after President Obama’s announcement of Bin Laden’s death.

General Kayani appears to be less enthusiastic about the alliance with the United States because he is under pressure from his senior generals, according to Pakistani officials who keep in touch with the military. About half of the 11 corps commanders, the generals who make up the senior command, have questioned the wisdom of the alliance, according the officials. Some of the younger mid-ranking officers — majors and captains — seem to have more sympathy for the militants than for the idea of fighting them, they said.

The Pakistani government and the military have played a delicate balancing act since 9/11 between sometimes trying to overtly support the United States in its goal to get rid of Al Qaeda, and local popular Pakistani sentiment that seemed to, at the very least, tolerate the militants. A Pew poll taken in Pakistan in early 2010 showed that only 3 percent of Pakistanis believed that Al Qaeda was a threat and 68 percent held a negative view of the United States.

After a C.I.A. contractor, Raymond A. Davis, shot and killed two Pakistanis in broad daylight in January in the city of Lahore, the balance tipped against the United States in Pakistani statements and attitudes.

In the aftermath of the shooting, General Kayani asked the American military to draw down its Special Operations training contingent and asked the Americans to remove C.I.A. contractors from Pakistan, as well as C.I.A. personnel who operate the drone campaign from an air base in southern Baluchistan, an American official said. The drone strikes against militants in the tribal areas, which American officials say have been effective, will continue despite Pakistani objections, American officials say.

Another major irritant has been the failure of the Pakistani military to heed the calls of the United States to squash the Qaeda-linked militants known as the Haqqani network, which is given a free hand by the Pakistanis in North Waziristan.

Two weeks ago, moments before meeting General Kayani in Islamabad, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, publicly lambasted the Pakistani military for allowing the Haqqani network to freely cross the border from Pakistan’s tribal areas into Afghanistan and kill American and NATO soldiers.

Bin Laden was an irritant, too, now removed. American officials have speculated over the last few years whether some Pakistani officials in the spy agency knew the whereabouts of Bin Laden. When asked, many Pakistani ISI officials nearly always gave the same answer: Bin Laden was dead, or they insisted, they did not know where he was.

Alissa J. Rubin contributed reporting from Kabul, Afghanistan, and Pir Zubair Shah from New York.

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I hope it means ONE thing we're sorely lacking: PEACE

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Peace in Pakistan..... with the biggest dajaal (USA) on earth? I doubt it

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ISI vs CIA clash in past few months, Pakistan Defense establishment changing priorities, Afghan and Pakistan's top brass having meetings to find way to negotiate with Afghan Resistance elements namely Talibans... twin terror attack on Pakistan Navy personnel and Vehicles, Pakistan's top military brass issuing statements against drone attack, Imran Khan building/staging protest against drone attacks calling, Obama loosing trust of Americans which he needs in the up coming elections, US military has to withdraw by July 2011.... and finally find Osama hidding in Pakistan.....followed by Osama's death and mysterious "burial in sea"..

US can put pressure on Pakistan saying it support terrorist, whereas there is no system in the world which can scan each and every individual in living in the country... but so far, things came out is that US President is thanking Pak Gov. and US-Press is creating perception that terrorist like Osama can hide in Pakistan only, whereas the truth is, the resourceful terrorist like Osama can hide anyone in the world... any place they feel suitable...they can hide there... had it been difficult for these terrorist to hide, would any one pay the officials of intelligence agencies huge budgets to find and prosecute them??

But all in all, there is going to be pros and con of this situation like i said somewhere, Now US and Obama would save face ( as stated in the address of the US president where is emphasis on the word "I" and "Me" clearly making a election campaign) and would have some sort of dignity when leaving Afghanistan in 2 months time... whereas, elements in Pakistan and Afghanistan may put pressure on the govt and increase resistance saying that the purpose of WOT is served, and US has to move out... which can create a complex scenario...

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I think all this would have very very negative impact on Pakistan, a pretext with which Americans will now resist any Pakistani requests to stop drone attacks or removal of their personnel from Pakistan, and they could even raid Pakistan or ask Pakistanis to be more flexible so that their forces can do there what ever they want to because Pakistani forces and intelligence have proved themselves to be incapable/incompetent of doing anything.

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I hope it will be better for Pakistan in the long run. Immediately though the security and intelligence forces face a dilemma. How could they have not known the worlds biggest terrorist living within yards of their barracks. To me if the security forces say they were not aware of his presence there than they will be labelled incompetent and how can we trust ISI if it is so shoddy. Yeh toh wahi baat howee "chiragh talle undehraa". If they don't deny that they were aware of his presence than that brings a whole lot of problems for Pakistan. Another question "was the political leadership aware of his presence there"? If not than that just goes to show how we have a state operating within a state.

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are you kidding?

a) nobody asked pakistan to find him deep in the US in some compound in pennsylvania.

b) the US managed this apparently impossible task and found him in pakistan living right under the nose of the military. try to understand that for a second. some country (USA) found him and killed him half way across the world in some other random country (pakistan).

the comparison would be if the highest profile terrorist on earth was hiding somewhere in the US and after 10 years the US still shrugged its shoulders and says "i dunno". in reality he would've been caught in a few days.


even if nobody believes it, the incompetence explanation is a far better option than the harboring explanation.

even though nobody will believe it, at the same time not everyone will necessarily believe that the civilian government knew anything or was complicit. the assumption will be what is already widely believed: that the ISI acts independently when it wants to.

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So far, Army and ISI after successfully driving the terrorist out of Swat and NWA region have gained somewhat respect in the country and the political leadership ( likes of Zardari and NS) has lost the support because of their incompatibility, by this event, US and the media would actually raise these questions and put a BIG question mark on the credibility of ISI, which so far enjoys the support of majority of the Pakistanies... and Army... who is being confidently dealing with US demands after its recent success shall be forced on the back foot...

There number of things which has to be considered here, the most wanted terrorist staying at one place for 6 odd years??? surviving dialysis without being noticed??? living in a small town like Abbotabad where most of the people knows each other!!!! there are lots of question to be asked on CIA side as well...

Anyway, be ready for the media to attack the ISI and then the Army... and then justify Raymond Davises in Pakistan and then Like Ali-Syed said asking to let them play freely again and of course there would be great resistance at public level and Pakistan would be in turmoil which seems to the objective of the exercise...

Pakistan need to deal it very carefully, there is little they can do now, one of those thing is, attack the North Wazirstan and wipe out the Anti-Pakistan Taliban hideouts, plus a Intelligence operation within Pakistan killing anyone engaged in any kind of anti-Pakistan activity... secondly Media of Pakistan have to defend Pakistani forces here...

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It might turn out to be a case of a state within a state within a state -- that is, some elements in the ISI may have been involved, though it is highly unlikely that we'll ever find out

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Please don't post what you hear at Indian Media here, if we like to see Indian reports we can easily see it there...

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ok if osama is really dead then the war on terror should stop in Pakistan

Lets see what happens

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What elements?? please be careful what you say, it is possible that they have positioned him here, lately, OBL was used to attack Iraq and Afghanistan by US and now his dead body would be used to Attack Pakistan... and guys like you who don't think before typing things should re-consider your approach

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I don't think that is going to happen because the terrorists involved in fight against Pakistan are TTP not AlQaeda.

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what did i post that was heard from indian media?

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means still Pakistan is in danger :(

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Regardless of everything, it's hugely embarrassing that he was found in Pakistan. This is suicidal for our global rep, whatever was left of it. Disastrous.

Would it have implications for Pakistanis? I bet. Maybe more so than Pakistan.

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Be it TTP, Baloch Rebels or Lashkar-e-Janghavi, all of them do get their financial support from the Afghanistan, which is being controlled by Talibans or Afghan resistance Movement, Americans + Allies and Norther Alliance ( which no longer exist but elements of this former alliance constitutes the current afghan govt and have been biggest supporter and been supported by India).. once Americans are out of Afghan, Pakistan can cut the supply line and can send these terrorist to the hell where they belong...

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hanibal:d6c:

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and that wont happen :(

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Yes even if the wot is finished the Americans will still have their bases in Afghanistan similar to Iraq where they are suppOsed to pull out their forces by the end of the year but they want to have bases there indefinitely