What do you women think about prenup??

Salam to all.

Posting here after long time. Ok so my best buddy who is also a doctor and my work colleague told me that he intends to get married. This would be his second marriage. His first wife left him in his last year while he was finishing his residency. Two years after, he now intends to get married again.

At the time of his first divorce, he didnt own any property or asset nor kids. So divorce was simple. After two years, he now have beautiful house, cars etc. Alhamdulillah. He told me he intends to do draw prenup agreement whoever his partner going to be, to make sure his hard earned money and house do not get taken away. Do you think is it ethical for him to do this? He had two rishtays which he rejected because girl side wouldnt agree to this term.

Women: If any guy approaches you for rishta and put prenup as a condition., would you go for it? Why or why not??

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I honestly would because I understand how difficult it is to earn so much and then to think that it could have it taken away from you is terrible. Arranged or not I would - but I would be way more understanding if I knew the guy better.

But giving you a woman's perspective - it's also very unromantic. And a turn off. For a lot of ladies.

I get it cos I work so I would be OK with it. But ladies who don't work/have never it may scared them a little. But I don't think it's unreasonable cos he has already experienced 1 divorce AND as long as he agrees that (God forbid) there's another divorce that she get something substantial.

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Since the..divorce rate is high and his past experience...i dont blame him. He has full right to do prenup agreement if he wishes to. Nothing wrong with that...

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Xtron. Bro how you been???Havent seen you in a long time. I thought, fawad quit gs. I agree that too. Nowadays divorce rate is very high so he should protect himself.

Muneeba. :thumbs up:

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I am good Dr. Dre! :D. Just keeping it real!. Check your msg.

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I would have no problem signing a pre-nup. I have a professional career myself and make a decent living and thus, understand another person's desire to protect something they worked so hard for. As long as both sides are represented by separate attorneys who view the proposed pre-nup and feel that it's a fair agreement, then I don't see any issues.

The 2 rishtas that rejected your friend, did the 2 girls have professional careers? Since your friend is a physician, it would be easier for him to to do this if he found a girl who is also a physician/lawyer or some other business type position where she is also making a similar salary to him.

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Women with professional careers might not have an issue with this because they have their own lives and can easily stand on their own.

If he approached women who are dependent and expect them to sign pre-nups while being SAHM's...that is an issue.

On the other hand, if he signs a pre-nup he should be aware that his wife might not be okay with joint accounts and/or assets at any point in the marriage.

Women do not like the idea of a pre-nup because its as if they're not being trusted. At some point, she has to take a break to have children or even stay home to raise her family. It leaves a vulnerable feeling in her stomach...meaning she is to give up more but isn't being trusted with more.

So honestly, what he is proposing is not an easy pill to swallow which is why he will just have to keep looking until he finds the right fit.

As for him working hard to have a house and cars...dude...that is life. Material things will not buy or secure your happiness. When you get married, you get married for better or for worse. If you lose your home and cars...consider it jaan ka sadqah and move on. No one should be so attached to material possessions.

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Interesting. So women who are working do not care. The two rishtay he rejected because they wanted to be housewives and SAHM. I guess he will have to look until he does find right fit.

Makes me wonder, guys i know looking for professional wives. Especially who are raised here.

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It depends.

I know of guys who are financially successful BUT they want their wife to be 100% financially dependent on them because they hate working/educated women. Something happens to him and she has no way of supporting herself? She's SOL.

That's not a really balanced or fair approach at all.

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How old is your friend? I might have rista suggestions for him.

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i married a professional man and we only had a nikah. Im in the UK left my relatively good job to be with him miles away (obviously big salary differences) but I wanted to raise my kids myself and then restart my career. Initially I did want to delay the wedding as I wanted to work, build up my career and have savings before j had children but his family wanted us married within a few months and my family agreed, as they do. He was older than me already established etc but I was just starting out. He was totally ok with me staying at home.

However, I realised when I was pregnant I needed to be financially secure, it was the first time I thought omg what if something were to happen how would I take care of this kid and my heart could not leave this baby with babysitter so I go out to put food on table. I spoke to my husband about registering our marriage or do a prenup so i only get select assets. He was worried about me stealing all his wealth that his family would be entitled to islamically. He flatly refused both and said I was after his money. Our marriage hasn't been the same since.

He was divorced before and even though he only had nikah with her too i think he's just really worried about Losing it especially as our own relationship was quite rocky (that's a different thread lol) so I understood his reluctance to secure me at the start, I would be the same he hardly knew me but my feelings totally changed when I was due to give birth, for the first time in my life I felt really vulnerable if God forbid something happens to him I will have no claim on anything. This is fine when u don't have kids, there's no excuse to want someone's money when you have no kids you're able to work, but it's heart wrenching when u have a kid with someone and they think you're not entitled to things. I had a terrible pregnancy and developed permanent post natal complications but I am worth only an 8th as that is what islamically allowed for a wife. I can't really argue as that is Islam but I wish I had asked for a hefty Mahr, I asked for a token amount as did my parents. and also Islam law is not practised in this country, I do not automatically inherit from my dad or my brother and my child is not obliged to take care of me. My child could fall out with me, take the house and id be homeless. That's where I think in the UK Islamic marriages are great for the man but not good for women.

Therefore I'm getting my career back on track despite me wanting to have more children but I'm too worried about finances should something happen. I know Allah provides but I don't want to give someone children when I could be made homeless within a flash. My career has taken a set back because of leaving my job because of relocating and then raising a child. A nanny would've cost more. But that doesn't matter to him.

It's better for two people to be on the similar salary then nobody can be suspicious and over protective over their wealth. That's the advice I can give. I wish I had thought about these things before marriage but I was very naive. i think once kids come along the person with money needs to think carefully about the trust the vulnerable party is putting in them.

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You made your decision to raise your kids a certain way and that requires your undivided attention 24/7. LOTS of people leave their kids at daycare or with babysitters. This is no excuse to quit your career UNLESS you have somebody who is willing to support you and your children. Your decision to be a SAHM came before your husband declined to sign prenup agreement. This isn't his fault. You willingly gave up your career BECAUSE of what YOU wanted. You are right. For this prenup thing to work, both must have similar mindset, wealth, and goals in life.

Kids are no excuse to quit a career you busted your behind for! You can be an amazing mother while working and moving ahead in your career. Yes, it's difficult but at least you won't have to depend on anyone for yourself or your child. I would hate to be in that position. Good decision on your part to get back on track!

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Haha! @Dr Dre... Reminds me of our convo at coffee shop. Yaa i am considering that option too now..lol. Personally...i think it all comes down to trust. If ya do not trust your partner..whats the point of getting married. But i also think..there is nothing wrong with that. I do know..lots of chaps are putting this as pre-req nowadays..especially now that..divorce rate being so high. Gotta protect yourself and your assets first...

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SAHMs can also sign pre-nups as long as the agreement makes satisfactory provisions for them in the event of a divorce.

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If I'm also contributing to the house and bills there is no way I would give it all up..

As someone already mentioned why not marry a similar financial background if trust is such an issue?

I find it slightly creepy how some guys might go out of their way to marry a simple girl who doesn't have much in the way of security or assets rather than someone on a similar footing then go on about protecting what is 'his'..

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I don't agree with the working woman/SAHM thing that's being mentioned on this board. A woman can be both in her lifetime. I was a working woman when I was dating my husband. I quit my job and moved cities for him. Now we have a baby and we decided not to do daycare, so I'm staying at home. I plan on going back to work part-time in a few years but I know my career will not be the same as it were if I had continued to work.

It's not fair to a woman to give up so much and still not feel trusted. He owns the house but I'm sure he'll expect his wife to cook, clean, do groceries, take care of the kids and maintain the house. But if they split, her contribution meant nothing at all.

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Its a control issue. Meaning if they keep their wife dependent and hungry, she won't have the nerve to do much aside from listen to what they're being told to do.

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what reha said and deeba. Given he is already divorced I would be very wary of potential financial abuse if he was so me me me about his money. When u get married everything is joint.

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Not sure who you refering creepy but my friend is not looking for "simple girl". Want someone in equal footing and than protecting what is his. I do think this is very fair.

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Umm no. When me and wife got married we never made our account joint. In fact we like it as it is, she has her own account and i have mine. I take care of her financially very well though. Pay for her every single need and her own vacation. So as my best friend, what he intends to do. Just making a point, you don't have to make account "joint".