what do you think about taj mahal?

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Originally posted by Rani:
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Pyramids are important because they tell us what people could achieve, how advance their civilzation was, not what they went through.
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on the contrary...historians, egyptologists have been baffled by the sheer strength it must've taken the egyptians to built the pyramids...why they were forced to work under such harsh conditions and why they actually did it...
The lower classes in egypt lived miserable lives and by building the pyramids, they were trying to assure themselves of atleast a better after life. so if they worked for the pharaohs, whom they perceived as gods, they'd be favoured by them (pharaohs/gods) after death. this isnt a history lesson but i love ancient civilization history and know a thing or two about it.
we wouldnt have the pyramids if the egyptians hadn't gone through what they did.

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infact none of the mughal rulers in india were islamist other than aurangzeb all his ancesters were more interested eating drinking and merry making the hindutwa wadis are wrong when the blame the muslim rulers of india apart from aurangzeb none of the other kings qualified as islamic rulers
what aurangzeb did to his father was just what shahjahan deserved .shahjahan had no right to squander his and the peoples money on building a monument and for which many innocents got maimed
his elder son dara shiko was a drunkard and had no qualities to become a ruler what aurangzeb did to them was just right.
infact even emperor akbar was a kaffir and he had started a new religion called din e elahi .such were the muslim rulers of india
aurangzeb was a good human being just because of his islamic mindedness the hindu historians have painted him in a bad picure.
infact aurangzeb lead such a simple life that he used to make caps for namaz and write quran shariff and what ever income he got by selling them he made his living .he had alll the pleasures of palace but he choose to lead a simple life

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we wouldnt have the pyramids if the egyptians hadn't gone through what they did.

We wouldn't have Taj Mahal if people had more say and control over their lives. No Congress in US can vote for 500 billion monument in honor or President's wife.

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Originally posted by kabir:
**infact none of the mughal rulers in india were islamist other than aurangzeb all his ancesters were more interested eating drinking and merry making the hindutwa wadis are wrong when the blame the muslim rulers of india apart from aurangzeb none of the other kings qualified as islamic rulers
what aurangzeb did to his father was just what shahjahan deserved .shahjahan had no right to squander his and the peoples money on building a monument and for which many innocents got maimed

his elder son dara shiko was a drunkard and had no qualities to become a ruler what aurangzeb did to them was just right.
infact even emperor akbar was a kaffir and he had started a new religion called din e elahi .such were the muslim rulers of india
aurangzeb was a good human being just because of his islamic mindedness the hindu historians have painted him in a bad picure.
infact aurangzeb lead such a simple life that he used to make caps for namaz and write quran shariff and what ever income he got by selling them he made his living .he had alll the pleasures of palace but he choose to lead a simple life

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It is about accepting other religions and respecting others. RSS is doing nothing compare to what your ideal did to Hindus, you are hypocrite idealizing cruel criminal Aurangzeb and abusing RSS. I am glad finally Indians can see through your selective morality and mean spritedness.

Nobody is impressed if you are good muslim and will get 72 hooris or not. Akbar was good and fair human being, that is why he is respected.

I wish Akbar was more like Aurangzeb, hindu India would have rebelled along time ago and thrown Mughals out. We wouldn't have people like you living among us.

You can threaten all you can, nothing will change unless you change your attitude.

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kabir, why turn every discussion ito muslim superiorty discussion or like. taj mahal is a nice building that looks pretty different in day or night, winter and summer, that is what my mom told me. i didnt have an opportunity to see it yet. there is enough to discuss without bringing in communal and political angle, from plain aesthetic viewpoint. you seem simply incapable of doing it.
let me put it this way. when we listen lata's 'woh chup rahen to mere dilke daag jalte hain', we dont really talk of muslim contribution qand hindu conmtribution and stuff like to the song. we talk of parts we liked, parts we disliked.
not that there isnt muslim or hindu or even buddhist and jain and christian contribution to indian culture. that clearly exists and a dispassionate scholarly analysis of these issues could merit reading and thinking about. otherwise 'my daddy could beat ur daddy' does not really give better insight in any art form.

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Originally posted by Rani:
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Nobody is impressed if you are good muslim and will get 72 hooris or not. Akbar was good and fair human being, that is why he is respected.
I wish Akbar was more like Aurangzeb, hindu India would have rebelled along time ago and thrown Mughals out. We wouldn't have people like you living among us.
You can threaten all you can, nothing will change unless you change your attitude.
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how clever you hindus are in manipulating things you say akbar was a fair human being and he is respected but at the same time your hindu fanatics break down the babri masjid which was build by this fair human beings father babar
hindus and sikhs were never a single state there were kings before the advent of muslim rulers in india and the hindu kings fought among themselves for eg the kalinga war
and just like them the muslims who were brave warriors came and conquered the land and its just that they happened to be muslims .all the muslim rulers in india apart from aurangzeb were not islamist .most of the ughal kings were secular and whenever they fought they fought for land and not for religion.infact akbar even married a hindu so the genration of muslim rulers were half hindus . but the hindu media and the choose to paint all the muslim rulers in the same brush
there are hindus and minorities living under muslim rule and the classic example is indoneshia and malaysia both are islamic countries and infact in malaysia hindus account for more than 50 percent of the crime in kualalumpur.look at the gulf states they have imployed so many hindus in thier countries .
see iam not a islamist and iam not dreaming about all those hooris its another form of islam bashing by you
dont blame the muslims for the past blame your ancesters who could not defend thier land against the invaders.

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Originally posted by kabir:
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how clever you hindus are in manipulating things you say akbar was a fair human being and he is respected but at the same time your hindu fanatics break down the babri masjid which was build by this fair human beings father babar**

so since u respect Akbar, u should respect Babar, irrespective of whether he broke temples and also Aurangzeb since he Aurangzeb came from same family. Love me, love my dog.

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hindus and sikhs were never a single state there were kings before the advent of muslim rulers in india and the hindu kings fought among themselves for eg the kalinga war
and just like them the muslims who were brave warriors came and conquered the land and its just that they happened to be muslims .all the muslim rulers in india apart from aurangzeb were not islamist .most of the ughal kings were secular and whenever they fought they fought for land and not for religion.infact akbar even married a hindu so the genration of muslim rulers were half hindus . **

Did he marry any of his daughters to a Hindu? Jinnah married a Parsi and his daughter married a Christian. Does that make his secular?

but the hindu media and the choose to paint all the muslim rulers in the same brush
They dont. Akbar is treated differently from Aurangzeb. Jahangir is treated differently from Babar.

On the other hand, look at the crap u r writing. u denounce all rulers except aurangzeb for being unislamic. sinultaneously u want to hide behind unilsmic deeds of these rulers and claim they were secular.
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there are hindus and minorities living under muslim rule and the classic example is indoneshia and malaysia both are islamic countries and infact in malaysia hindus account for more than 50 percent of the crime in kualalumpur.**

Indonesia prints Ganesha idol on its currency bill. There will be riots in India or Pakistan if govt. does that.

look at the gulf states they have imployed so many hindus in thier countries .

None employs anyone as a favor. Will u employ a bad driver because he is muslim or go to a bad doctor because he is muslim.
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see iam not a islamist

THIS IS BLATANT LIE. YOU ARE AN ISLAMIST. YOU WANT PAN-ISLAMIC PARTIES AND LIKES. YOU ARE SORRY THAT MUSLIM RULE ON HINDUS IS OVER. MAKING AN ABOUT-TURN DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

** and iam not dreaming about all those hooris its another form of islam bashing by you**

You dont want hooris since u r a girl and maybe u r afriad that u will turn up in one ohooris serving those who fear allah. but there must be an alternate arrangement for allah fearing girls like u. maybe 72 well build guys.
dont blame the muslims for the past blame your ancesters who could not defend thier land against the invaders.

Ptrecisely, and ur ancestors are not different from my ancestors unless u came straight from Arabia. That is why India need means to protect itself. A strong defence. For that we need to throw people like u who are happy when Indian forces are attacked or people who want further partition of nation, out of country.

P.S. Will someone tell me what this discussion has to do with Taj Mahal. Why cant we dicsuss woderful monuments from aesthetic angle without bringing communal and political point scoring. The reason is that all Kabir knows is communalism and trained that way.

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Kabir said..“see iam not a islamist”

Good one

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well all my critics let me tell lound and clear iam not a islamist u find that funny well iam not amused

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now i dont belive in break up of india infact i still belive that the majority of hindus are still secular and are dcent people iam just against the likes of vhp ,rss and shiv sena does that make me a islamist?
well iam firm beliver in secularism and i belive the future of indian muslims lies in india and nowhere else we have to be a part of the indian society. but the hindutwadis think other wise they are hell bent of making muslims second class citizens in thier own country .the right wing hindus are trying to avenge what muslim invaders and many of who were bandits like mahamud ghazni ,timur lang etc who did not care who the people were they slaughtered people irrespective of thier religion. and it is wrong on the part of the hindus to paint them in the islamic background
most of the mughal rulers apart from aurangzeb were secular .from babar to bahadur shah zafar most of them were secular
or else inspite of ruling for more than 600 or more years india did remian a hindu majority country.
well the kind of language mr zz is using in relation with the hooris shows his attitute towards islam .i said i dont dream about hooris is because i dont expect any hoor out there in the heavens not because i am a girl or something but your answer does show what class you are made of .
though iam a muslim but i dont think that all hindus are going to burn in the fire of hell i belive a person must be distingusished by his deeds no matter what religion one follows .i belive in humanity
to me a good muslim or a good hindu is just a good human being first
iam not against ordinary hindus of india iam just against the likes of rss and balthackray and my bllod boils when those killers are praised by some people

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anyone who read previous posts by u and this recent one can see the inconsistency. i could dig up ur earlier posts, but i have project to finish and have no time.

again it is absolutely irritating the way u try to streamline all topics under the sun to hindu-muslim issues.

anyway, getting back to topic, what u think of taj mahal, if u do?

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Originally posted by Rani:
***we wouldnt have the pyramids if the egyptians hadn't gone through what they did.*

We wouldn't have Taj Mahal if people had more say and control over their lives. No Congress in US can vote for 500 billion monument in honor or President's wife.**
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We r talking about times when kinship was the rule of the day all around the world... where was US 500 yrs back... where was democracy at that time... we cant put todays morals at that time... u even cant compare democracy of US with sub-continent even now..

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Kabir

the presence of indian army in the agra fort has no strategic importance today but its just a symbolic presence just to show that agra fort belongs to india and india flag flies on it
shame on the mughal rulers who wasted time and labor building taj mahal
i think aurangzeb was a far greater statesman than all his ancesters
taj mahal is a shame on all muslims of the subcontinent

Read the above and wipe off your tears, move to Pakistan so that you can be among your muslim brother only. You are no secular and you think you are one of the invadors in fact you are the one that faced the wrath of the invadors. You put in the grab of secularism when you are in minority when in majority you want impose your will on others by force. I feel sorry for Indians that they have to put up with your kind of people.

ZZ..TajMahal is a beautiful momument the white marble is engraved with semi precious stones brought from far away places like Lopaz from Russia. If you ever happen to be in Agra visit Fateh Pur Sikri, it is very impressive place. It was Akbar's living as well official place, room where Akbar used confer with his nav-rattans, is quite small and almost circular shaped and it brings alive the stories we have read and heard about Akbar's darbar. I was equally impressed with Fateh Pur Sikiri as I was with Taj.

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Jinnah married a Parsi and his daughter married a Christian. **

his daughter did not marry a christian but a parsi.

**Indonesia prints Ganesha idol on its currency bill. There will be riots in India or Pakistan if govt. does that. **

ofcourse there would be riots if something that ridiculous were to happen in Pakistan

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** but there must be an alternate arrangement for allah fearing girls like u. maybe 72 well build guys.**

well! thats one racist statement. stick to the Taj Mahal and dont even think of bringing Islam into this without having any concept of what it is.

For that we need to throw people like u who are happy when Indian forces are attacked or people who want further partition of nation, out of country.

exactly what Rani wants huh…blame the Muslim and throw him out of india. Typical hindu mentality. Thats one hard mission to accomplish. Both of u are totally explicit in ur hatred for Muslims.. but dont think for a second that there wouldnt have been any Muslims in India if the Mughals hadn’t come. Im sure the rest of ur countrymen share ur sentiments but unless u try to kill all the Muslims in india, u’ll have to live them.

Al-Imran-3:160 *~~“If Allah helps you, none can overcome you: If He forsakes you, who is there, after that, that can help you? in Allah, then, Let believers put their trust.”~~ ***

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comparing the US congress to what happened centuries ago is totally unrealistic. Stop living in the past and get over that pathetic resentment. If the Taj Mahal is such a sore sight, whats stopping indians from bringing it down like the Babri Masjid…oh i forgot, india doesnt want to let go of the money it gets from the tourists that visit the Taj Mahal every year

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anyway, getting back to topic, what u think of taj mahal, if u do?**
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well to me taj mahal is a clasic example of fuedalism and the story of success going over
ones head
mr shahajahan had no right to cut off hands of those innocent labourer's hands
and though i admire the beauty of the place i smell blood on its floor .
and imagine 90 crores spend on the building at that time?
that money could have done so much good work
and the amazing thing is that the vhp claims that taj mahal and kutub minar are bulid on hindu temples

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Looking at the positive side, I would say a great emblem of love and something that make the world know of muslim architecture and all that. It is one of the building which I like the most due to its sheer beauty. But if we look at the pre partition era then we would realise that this money could have been well spent on educating masses of that country. It is shameful that these mughal emperors built so huge buildings and so on but after demise of their empire there wasn't any single school for muslims of India.

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Originally posted by khan_sahib:
** But if we look at the pre partition era then we would realise that this money could have been well spent on educating masses of that country. It is shameful that these mughal emperors built so huge buildings and so on but after demise of their empire there wasn't any single school for muslims of India.**
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thats the point i have been trying to make khan sahib the mughal rulers of indian apart from aurangzeb were not at all islamist infact most of them spenf thier time eating drinking and merry making
i say if shahjahan was a true king he would have used that money to make the lives of his people better . he could have used that money to build schools or at a army to preserve its hold or spend the money for propagation of islam .today our generation would not have been thown to wolves

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a simple question on Babri mosque..

how come it was discovered recently that this was the place where a mythical person, one of hindu gods, was born.

How come there aren't huge ballads written of this place.

seems quite weird.

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