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Why would you not greet a non-muslim with a perfectly acceptable "Hello", "Good morning" or "How ya doin', mate?".
I mean, whats wrong with them?
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Yes to all of that but no to Salaam aleykum or alekykum asalaam. That is the hadith.
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Yes to all of that but no to Salaam aleykum or alekykum asalaam. That is the hadith.
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I know that and thats why I am saying why not greet non-muslims with a perfectly acceptable and polite greeting. Its not that non-muslims are yearning to hear some Arabic and should get offended when they don't hear it.
The whole premise that muslims are somehow insulting the non-muslims by not greeting them with a (decidedly) muslim greeting is inane to me.
Seems more like a tempest in a tea-pot started by those who have nothing better to do. I rank it similar to the guy who discovered that if you turn around a Coca Cola bottle and face it to the mirror and then stand on your head and count to 20 you will see the face of Satan reflected in your swimming pool.
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I know that and thats why I am saying why not greet non-muslims with a perfectly acceptable and polite greeting. Its not that non-muslims are yearning to hear some Arabic and should get offended when they don't hear it.
The whole premise that muslims are somehow insulting the non-muslims by not greeting them with a (decidedly) muslim greeting is inane to me.
Seems more like a tempest in a tea-pot started by those who have nothing better to do. I rank it similar to the guy who discovered that if you turn around a Coca Cola bottle and face it to the mirror and then stand on your head and count to 20 you will see the face of Satan reflected in your swimming pool.
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Excuse me... but Faisal app ko paise milthe hain baat ko bighrane main?
I asked a simple question - nobody said anything about Muslims having to greet non muslims with an Arabic greeting. Seedhi baat jub koi ulTi bana detah hai... toh mujhe bohut ghussa atah hai.
Im no 5 year old- and yes Im perfectly aware that there is nothing wrong in greeting a non-Muslim with a Hi/Hello.I was only asking if there was an Arabic greeting.Not that I need to know it or that I have to greet them in Arabic .
I grew up with Hi/hellos for your information- its Canada after all. I simply wanted to know if there is an Arabic greeting or if its not allowed or something.Because there are some non Muslim friends of mine who greet me with 'salaam' and I answer 'walaikum assalaam'.
And you might want to check that coke story.Or maybe they added the extra details for people like you.
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Muslim Queen.. Issy kehtay hein parhay baghair ghussa karna. I was not talking about your post. I was talking about this one. Abhi bhi ghussa aa rahah hai tau aik Coca Cola meri taraf say pi lein.
Faisal, In some cultures and religions, reading is not fundamental. They can have an opinion about god and it's existence having to never read scripture. Certain religions are beyond "reading". To say that their God or interpretation of God's message is illfounded (since it is not written down) is prejudicial.
Ye na ho kahein last time ki tarha after you hand the cold drink -I get banned.:snooty:
Well sher was expressing an opinion.maybe hes interested to see what people think about it?
Matsui, we can have a perfectly circular and entirely politically correct discussion on what certain cultures believe about God, but this discussion is about Islamic greeting for non-muslims, and since Mr Sher is presumably representing God's viewpoint by making statements like "God can not approve treating people from other faiths differently" so it helps to understand where is he coming from. I have only asked him to explain where he got the idea, and have not even begin to redicule him about it (yet), so lets hold our horses till he replies.
There are many who believe that everything God has to say or what He represents is not necessarily found in centuries old texts. God is a compassionate God that loves His creations, not just some of them. When we make ourselves so special in His eyes that we cannot greet, grieve or show compassion for others and push them off the sidewalk, we become the type of egoists which surely displeases Him.
If one demands ancient scripture to capture every essence of spiritituality to make it valid, then the Bible is full of these type of teachings. Jesus spent his life preaching to those that were shunned by society and did not greet the whores any differently than he did his disciples. 'Love your neighbor as yourself'. I presume this includes non-Muslims.
Semi, some times common sense is the best scripture out there. And it is programed in your head...no need to carry it around. How cool is that?
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Semi, some times common sense is the best scripture out there. And it is programed in your head...no need to carry it around. How cool is that?
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Before you know it gs will have its very own Bible- the author of which- will be matsui.
Titled something like " Sidhartha matsui , the Dhammapada man."
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Semi, some times common sense is the best scripture out there. And it is programed in your head...no need to carry it around. How cool is that?
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Way cool. God is within everyone, not just within squiggly lines in a book. People are spiritual, books aren't.
Guys, as common sensical your musings are, they are now way off-topic. If you guys wanna start a thread/relgion/faith system based on "Common Sense" then feel free, but the question of this thread was how do you greet a non-muslim, and I guess the common sense answer is you say "hi". If you disagree with that start your argument now.
Oh here I found it. This is what I remembered reading a while back.
Reference - Bahishti Zewar "Heavenly Ornament". Topic ' Salaam-Salutations'.
What do you all think of it?
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What do you all think of it?
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I think speaking unnecessary Arabic with your class-fellows is really a bad idea. It will sound gibberish to them and they may report you to the Principal/police. Not good.
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I think speaking unnecessary Arabic with your class-fellows is really a bad idea. It will sound gibberish to them and they may report you to the Principal/police. Not good.
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Lol I agree.I dont see though why a Hi/hello wont do.I doubt if its forbidden in Islam.Yet this book clearly states that non Muslim folks greetings should be avoided.
We need some knowledgeable Alim on gs.Myabe Im interpreting it wrong.
By the way, this “Bahishti Zevar”. If I were in your place, I’d stay away from this book. Not read it. Not quote it. Not refer to it. Forget it even exists. I mean it all in a very good way, ofcourse.:halo:
Im afraid thats bad advice.Its quite an excellent book- very detailed too.Perhaps Im right when I say I might be interpreting it wrong.And we wont learn much if we start to stay away from books such as this.
And pray tell what other way could you mean it?
May be you have a new edition updated in 2004. The one I saw (many years ago) seemed stuck in 1850's when women used to travel by palkis. Not to mention that most of the stuff there was passed off as authentic Islamic rulings, but was without any references and was mostly culture-sensitive things.
Actually there is quite a bit about how people confuse cultural values with those Islam. It states very clearly what they were- and how people should not confuse the two.
The merits and reasoning for letting common sense (scripturally, spiritually, or otherwise) telling you how to greet people are “way off topic” but 1/2 page dedicated to a review of a 100 year-old book is not? To captiously dismiss my post (which represents many peoples’ religous beliefs) as a thread/relgion/faith system based on “Common Sense” is disparaging, particularly when followed by a book review for something that could have a picture of a caveman pulling a woman by the hair on the cover.