Re: What do Ahmedi’s call mainstream muslims?
Mirza bashir-uddin mahmood’s statement:
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Refutation of Maulawi Muhammad Ali’s Account of Ahmadiyya Dissensions.**
After dealing with the alleged resemblance between my Jama‘at and the followers of Jesus as, Maulawi Muhammad Ali proceeds to describe the history of dissensions in the Ahmadiyya Movement, and endeavours to show how after the death of the Promised Messiah as a certain conjunction of circumstances gradually led the present writer to introduce changes in my former beliefs.
Alleged Innovations These changes, according to Maulawi Muhammad Ali, relate to three matters;
(1) that I propagated the belief that Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was actually a Nabi;
(2) the belief that he was ‘the Ahmad’ spoken of in the prophecy of Jesus as referred to in the Holy Quran in Al-Saff 61:7;
and (3) the belief that all those so-called Muslims who have not entered into his Bai‘at formally, wherever they may be, are kuffar and outside the pale of Islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the Promised Messiah as.
That these beliefs have my full concurrence, I readily admit. What I deny is the statement that I have been entertaining these views since 1914 or only three or four years before. On the contrary, as I shall presently show, the first and the last of these beliefs were entertained by me even during the lifetime of the Promised Messiah as , while the second belief developed soon after the death of the Promised Messiah as as a result of the teachings I received from Hadrat Khalifatul Masih I ra , and of the various discourses I had, with him on the subject.
Please scroll down to page 56 and 57 on the following link:
http://www.alislam.org/library/books…-the-Split.pdf
Note: Mirza bashir-uddin mahmood stated the following:
A) the first and the last of these beliefs were entertained by me even during the lifetime of the Promised Messiah as
The following the beliefs during the time of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad:
(1) that I propagated the belief that Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was actually a Nabi;
and (3) the belief that all those so-called Muslims who have not entered into his Bai‘at formally, wherever they may be, are kuffar and outside the pale of Islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the Promised Messiah as.
B) while the second belief developed soon after the death of the Promised Messiah as as a result of the teachings I received from Hadrat Khalifatul Masih I ra
(2) the belief that he was ‘the Ahmad’ spoken of in the prophecy of Jesus as referred to in the Holy Quran in Al-Saff 61:7;
Mr. Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad’s stance. He has made takfir on:
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`those who did not accept the Promised Messiah were deniers of the Promised Messiah’. Its object rather was to demonstrate that those who did not believe in the Promised Messiah were not Muslims." A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 135-136)
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that as we believed the Promised Messiah to be one of the prophets of God, we could not possibly regard his deniers as Muslims." A’inah-i Sadaqat (pp. 137-138)
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who openly style the Promised Messiah as Kafir, and those who although they do not style him thus, decline still to accept his claim
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but even those who, in their hearts, believe the Promised Messiah to be true, and do not even deny him with their tongues, but hesitate to enter into his Bai`at, have here been adjudged to be Kafirs."
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such people as had failed to recognise the Promised Messiah as a Rasul even if they called him a righteous person with their tongues, were yet veritable Kafirs." A’inah-i Sadaqat (p. 140)
At last we are getting somewhere. This should have been done with from page 1 ![]()
As the old saying goes “Give 'em enough rope, and they’ll hang themselves.”