Re: What do Ahmedi's call mainstream muslims?
Yes mizar parasti is shirk. If someone visits mizar just to visit it, like visiting a dead's grave that is one thing, that might be okay. And we muslims were told not to construct mausoleums on graves. Making prayers to dead on graves or anywhere etc is all haram and shirk. You want something from Allah, pray to and ask Allah.
There is two opinions on this within the Ahlus Sunnah about building around graves (mausoleums). The opinion that it is allowed has prevailed
The reason for this is that the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alehi wa Sallam was given a Mazaar, by Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala to rest in. ..and so was Abu Bakr, and so was Umar May Allah be pleased with both of them. Our Allah is All Seeing and can see what is to come and what has been
As for what is and what is not allowed at the Grave side in terms of Shirk
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Making prayers to dead on graves or anywhere etc is all haram and shirk.
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Ahlus Sunnah believe it is not Shirk in directly talking to the Resident of The Grave at the Graveside or from Anywhere else
You will find, if you have an un-tampered copy, words such as:... so I have come to you asking forgiveness for my sin, seeking your intercession with my Lord." from the Book of Imam Al-Nawawi Rehmatullah Alaih. This example is at the Blessed Grave side, more available
There is also dua which were taught by the Messeenger Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alehi wa Sallam which at one point talks directly to Him, and this was also taught after His Taste of Death by His Companions. You can do this Dua from anywhere and it talks to Both Allah As-Samad and His Messenger Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alaihi wa Sallam. It is permissible
There is also a Dua which talks directly to the inhabitants of the Graves, in a public graveyard, not of a Prophet or an Awliya (meaning Friend of Allah). Although we usually stick to the shorter Salam Alaikum Ya Ahlal Qaboor when visiting a graveyard and they reply back
from my own opinion:
Awliya are friends of Allah Sunhanahu wa Ta'ala and have been given a higher rank/closer proximity by Allah The Giver, as is proven in the name
Awliya are also our friends. Your Wali is Allah, His Messenger, and the Believers
Awliya are a people who have access to both realms and are a great means to have your prayers answered by Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala
Although we can agree that mizar parasti if the naming of the practice is correct is shirk, i will further state those who deny the Waseela of the Passed away people outright are non muslim and Mushriks. I say Mushrik because they take Ilahs besides Allah The Only One at the drop of a hat, and this can be seen in their innovated Tawheed where the command of the Taghuts/Mubtadis has been taken over the Understanding of the The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alehi wa Sallam, The Companions and The Jamaah.
This is the time to say Nauzubillah and appreciate every bad innovation is in Hell
Its only ok to question the Qadianis about why they do not say Ahlus Sunnah are kafirs, when you admit that between you and Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah (the mainstream) there is also takfir and you are committing identity theft by not admitting too much to gain favor
I will say Qadianis are closer Islam then anyone who believes in this modern innovated form of Tawheed since this allegation of shirk upon the Believers actually does carry through to Allah The Only One and His Messenger Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alehi wa Sallam, even if the innovators do not state as such. Nauzubillah
I know but he was posting in here so …
You have worked hard to acquire and search for knowledge. Allah Almighty has blessed you with knowledge. Now it is your religious obligation to share this blessing with others.
bro Ibn Sadique … May Allah (SWT) reward you for your efforts. I know it is sometimes necessary to present the raw hard facts whether they are hard to swallow or not … but you know I really want our Ahmadi brothers here to see reason … instead I end up getting their backs up and pushing them further away … I know guiding people is not in our hands.
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