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You guys love to argue and spread it in all directions and then blame us. :)
ok keep going as you have plenty of spare time to kill.
good luck
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PS: and the first quote in you post is mine not brother psyah's, if you have any thing with that post , *bhai say rabta karain
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kar liya raabta bhaaai say
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You guys love to argue and spread it in all directions and then blame us. :)
ok keep going as you have plenty of spare time to kill.
good luck
kar liya raabta bhaaai say
Can you show in this thread where we have been off topic, (not in response to you guys)
Bhai pooch raha hay, takleef kion ki the usko quote kernay ki?
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lol, i'm done here.
There is no prophet after me. Yet you are putting words in it by putting your own explanation of there is no "NEW" prophet after me. Why this double standard? If there's no prophet, there is NO prophet, NEITHER OLD OR NEW! Period ! But no, you obviously have to make room for a prophet who is still alive 2014 years after.
I told you what the whole hadith stated where you always take the text of 'there is no prophet after me' I merely showed you baad'i also means except and 'except' is the right word that should be taken in context to the whole hadith. Prophet PBUH had to distinguish between Haron (as) and Ali(as), since Haron and Moses(as) were both prophets, Ali (as) was NOT. That was my point. You dont read my whole statement and just start raising pointless arguments.
You laugh at the 'except' explanation, when the same word of baadi is used for Allah. There is no Allah Before, with, or after Him either. There was no prophet 'except' him when Holy Prophet PBUH was alive. Keep it simple.
And no, Prophet Muhammad PBUH did not have to order to kill someone for them to take as liars. Allah has it covered for all of us. He will deal with the false claimants, and He did !
You have not answered to this :
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If someone claims to be a prophet>> one of 2 is true >> Allah knows about it or doesn't know about it. >> If we say Allah was not aware of it, then we r denying his attribute of 'all knowing' >> if we say Allah knew about His claim .. then one of 2 is true >> Whether Allah will destroy Him and his mission will not prosper OR Allah will help Him and the jamaat that he establish, the early followers of Him, and Allah will be by their side all the time.
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It's in history books that they raised army against Muslims. What other reason can you find for Muslim to fight with them ?? Please dont tell me that they were misguiding the ummah, if that's the case then you are suggesting nauzubillah the punishment for propagating your belief/religion in Islam is death, which is absurd !
ps: i'm really done. You guys be happy in what you're believing. I leave it all on Allah. May He guide us all to haq. Ameen.
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Just like there are lenient and stringent opinions among the Muslims regarding others there are also stringent and lenient opinions among the Qadianis about us ...
They cannot doubt our wahdaniyat (monotheism) nor our legacy ... but they hold a similar view about us as we do the Ahl-al-kitaab (Jews and Christians) ... *but they really want us to recognise them because it legitimises them ... whereas we do not necessarily need the Jews or Christians to recognise us. *
The reality is that their view of life is strange for us ... Imagine believing in the duty to go Hajj, but not be allowed to go since some foreign force is preventing us. Imagine having to gather for religious duties in another country. Imagine having to speak Urdu as if it is of some religious importance. Imagine having a view such as RasoolAllah (SAW) is not the final prophet - but there are others. This is what it would feel like to be Ahmadi ... almost as if the religion is in the hands of a stray lot and it is their duty to get acceptance first and then eventually conversion ... It is their goal and their belief that all Muslims will eventually become Ahmadi ... in order to realise their own beliefs regarding their promised Messiah ... that Islam will cover the world - not through the Mahdi - but through an eventual chain of Khalifs ... They see us Muslims as being the primary confrontation - but they are spending effort in spreading in areas where there are few resources ... lapsed Christians and unaware Muslims.
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I was just skimming through initial pages of this thread as bao bihari asked me to show where they went off topic. This is just one post and classic one as what these people think about us.
*Myth 1) Ahmadis are dying to get acceptance from non-Ahmadis
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Ans) This is not true. Actually it is the other way around i.e., our opponents want us to disassociate from Islam and its prophet(pbuh) which will never happen. They declared us non-muslims but also pushed that we should not follow Islam. reference: ordinance XX 1984. In other words, they consider us non-muslims but also want us to believe that we are non-muslim. Asking for too much. aren't they? We don't want any legitimacy from others but believe that every citizen has a right to what he believes in and religious practices. We believe that state machinery should not and cannot be be used to subjugate and persecute others. thats it.
** 2) Imagine believing in the duty to go Hajj, but not be allowed to go since some foreign force is preventing us. imagine having to gather for religious duties in another country.**
I couldn't fully understand as what is your point here. if you are suggesting that we do our Hajj elsewhere then this is a blatant lie. Many Ahmadis who reside in foreign countries having no religious restrictions do go to Hajj. Hajj is farz on those who can afford it who are not restricted otherwise. right?
Myth 3) Imagine having to speak Urdu as if it is of some religious importance.
What? Where do you get this stuff? speaking urdu is of religious importance to us? I didn't know that.
** Myth 4) Imagine having a view such as RasoolAllah (SAW) is not the final prophet
**Much has been said in this regard but still we only believe in what the holy prophet (pbuh) himself stated, coming of a mahdi and masih in his ummah.
*Myth 5) ..Revival of islam not through the Mahdi - but through an eventual chain of Khalifs
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Mahdi came and then Khilafat is re-established as prophecised by the holy prophet (pbuh). Other khilafat ended and despite desperate attempts khilafat could not be established by any group or any jammat since establishing khilafat is the work of Allah. This institution of Khilafat is furthering the cause of Mahdi(as)
**Myth 6) They see us Muslims as being the primary confrontation
**Again, opposite is true. In our opposition, all 72 get together and include others (Christians) as well. happened in 1974. So in our opposition, all the takfiris are brothers and even brothers with non-muslims as well.
Mahdi and his jammat was meant to confront attacks on Islam from different sides including Christian Missionaries and Aryas etc. and in the age of reason, prove the superiority of Islam over other religions.
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This video is by the Ahmadis … but it clear who is more convincing here.
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^ I know him personally, he lives 5 mins away from where I live. I personally went to this debate, and frankly speaking the topic wasnt really as important, it doesnt matter if other Muslims consider Ahmadis to be their brothers in deen or not, Ansar Raza sahab said they refused to talk about finality of prophethood and death of Jesus a.s. There was also a language barrier in the debate as well, but anyhow.. Look up Ansar raza sahab's debates on youtube. You will see whose more convincing in topics we differ in. He's a very active missionary of Jamaat e Ahmadiyya Canada.
Search for Radio Ahmadiyya on youtube as well and have a listen.
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Surat Al-Baqarah [2:18] - The Noble Qur’an - ??? ???
Psalm 135:16
Defeated they concede not - Bettered they admit not - ignorance is bliss
one can lead a horse to water, but he cannot make it drink
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^ that’s what I expected from you anyway.
Same goes for you too. One cannot open anyone’s heart unless they have the desire to to find haq. Above videos are for you to watch and think.
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**Dear Mr. Popat **You must know that Muslims beliefs are based on:
The Blessed Quran as explained by the Blessed Prophet (peace be upon him) and understood by his Blessed Companions (may Allah Almighty be pleased with them all)
The Sunnah and the ahadith of the Blessed Prophet (peace be upon him) as understood and reported by his Blessed Companions (may Allah Almighty be pleased with them all).
Muslims believe in the above without putting any new interpretations (to the above).
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani brought in new interpretation to the Blessed Quran and ahadith to suit his nefarious designs to mislead the Muslims.
You can clearly see that he gave more emphasis to his so-called ‘wahi’
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“The basis for our claim is not Hadith but Quran and that WAHI which comes to us. Yes in support we also quote those Hadith which are according to Quran and DO NOT CONTRADICT MY WAHI. As for the REST OF THE HADITHs, I THROW THEM AWAY LIKE A WASTE PAPER*.”** (Roohani Khazain vol 19 p.140) **
If you don’t understand it then it is your problem. I’ll repeat myself again and this has nothing to do about the subject matter of this thread.
Anyone who examines the texts of the Qur’aan and Sunnah will see that they indicate that the one who neglects the prayer is guilty of Kufr Akbar (major kufr) which puts him beyond the pale of Islam.
Neglecting prayer out of laziness - islamqa.info
We believe that a person who doesn’t pray but does not deny Prayers are Fard is committing Kufr Akbar; thus beyond pale of Islam. This is the majority view. A few scholars still account them as Muslims but as rebellious in deeds and not in Belief and are destined for severe punishment unless Allah Almighty forgives them out of His Mercy and Grace on account of their other deeds which earned Almighty’s Pleasure.
Not Praying: Major Sin or Nullifier of Islam?
Also If anyone rejects any of the Prophets is guilty of committing Kufr Akbar as belief in ALL Prophets is form Usul Al Deen (Principles of Faith) Thus he is a kaffir and out of pale of Islam.
All Muslims (1.6 Billion) belief that Hz. Adam (as) father of Mankind is the first Human and the first Prophet of Allah Almighty. And the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the LAST Prophet of Allah Almighty. He is the SEAL of Prophet Hood. The door of Prophet Hood has been Sealed. Only a liar will henceforth claim to be a prophet from Allah Almighty!
All Muslims (1.6 Billion) reject all the claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani and regard him as an imposter, false prophet, and a charlatan – thus a kaffir.
Thus you should have the guts like that of Mr. Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad and declare non-believers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as Pukky Kaffir and out of pale of Islam.
You are showing disloyalty to your faith – and to Mr. Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad.
This is just posturing here for public consumption.
Your tongues lie but the hearts are with Mr. Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad’s position and your minds are outsmarting themselves for public posturing!
Sir, You are NOT going to fool anybody with your public posturing over here!
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Killing a fellow Muslim is Minor Kufr – It doesn’t make one a kaffir but bound for severe punishment.
Here law Qisas takes place: Murderer pays either by his life; pays blood money or is forgiven by the family of the victim (the one who was murdered) to earn pleasure of Allah Almighty.
And fighting of Muslims against each other, which is referred to in the Hadeeth of the Prophet (salallahu alaihe wa-sallam), “Reviling of a Muslim is an act of disobedience and fighting him is Kufr.” [Agreed upon]
And in his saying: “Do not revert after me (Kufran) like the infidels killing each other.” [Agreed upon]
Likewise, swearing by other than Allah. The Prophet * said: “He who swears by other than Allah, commits an act of Kufr, or Shirk.” [Tirmidhee]
Allah, the Exalted, declared a Muslim who commits a major sin as a believer. He says: “O you who believe! Al-Qisas (the Law of Equality in punishment) is prescribed for you in case of murder.” [Soorah al-Baqarah (2): 178]
Hence, Allah, the Exalted, did not exclude the murderer from the believers, rather He referred to him as the brother of the slain’s guarding saying (in continuation of the verse): “Therefore, one who is granted remission by one’s brother, then he should pursue that matter in a kind manner and pay the blood-money with kindness (when he excepts blood-money) with fairness.”
‘Brotherhood’ which is referred to in the above verse, doubtlessly means brotherhood in faith. Allah, the Exalted, says: “And if two parties of believers fight against each other, make peace between them.” [Soorah al-Hujurat (49): 9]
And if after that one of them transgresses against the other, fight the party that transgresses until it returns to the command of Allah. Then if it returns, make peace between them with equity, and act justly. Allah loves the just.
“Surely all believers are brothers. So make peace between brothers.” [Soorah al-Hujurat (49): 10]
End of the Abridged Commentary from al-Aqeedah at-Tahawiyyah.
Summary of the Differences between the major and minor Kufr:
The major Kufr constitutes apostasy, and nullifies the good deeds. While the minor Kufr neither constitutes apostasy not nullifies good deeds, but it diminishes them, and subjects one who commits it to the threatened punishment.
The major Kufr condemns one who commits it to eternal abode in Fire. While one who commits the minor Kufr, if he enters Fire, he would not remain in it eternally. It may be that Allah forgives him, and he would not enter it in the first place.
The major Kufr justifies violating the blood and property of the one who commits it. While the minor Kufr does not.
The major Kufr makes it incumbent upon the believers to treat with enmity the one who commits it, thus, it is not permissible for the believers to love or befriend the one who commits it even if he is a very close relative.
As for minor Kufr, it does not prevent loving and befriending him at all. Rather, he should be befriended proportionately to the Imaan he possesses and be abhorred proportionately to the disobedience he commits.
Chapter 3: Kufr (Infidelity): Its Definition and Types | Aqeedah at-Tawheed by Shaikh al-Fawzaan
You Sir, are following a false prophet – what would you call one who follows a false prophet?
All the Blessed Prophets (peace be upon them all) were sent by Allah Almighty. Belief in ALL of THEM is a MUST.
Those Jews who followed Prophet Musa (as) in letter and spirit and believed in all of the previous Prophets (peace be upon them all) are Muslims.
Those who rejected Prophet Musa (as) even though they believed all the previous Prophets (peace be upon them all are kaffirs. They have nothing to do with Islam.
On the advent of Prophet Isa ibn Maryum (as) those who believed in him and followed him and believed in all of the previous Prophets (peace be upon them all) are Muslims.
Those who rejected Prophet Isa ibn Maryum (as) even though they believed all the previous Prophets (peace be upon them all) are kaffirs. They have nothing to do with Islam.
On the advent of the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) those who believed in him and followed him and believed in all of the previous Prophets (peace be upon them all) are Muslims.
Those who rejected the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) even though they believed all the previous Prophets (peace be upon them all) are kaffirs. They have nothing to do with Islam.
All Muslims believe that the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the LAST PROPHET – NO more Prophets as the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) brought the LAST Message from Allah Almighty.
All Muslims believe that anyone who claims to be a prophet is a LIAR and a FRAUD – thus a kaffir and those who follow him are kaffirs in complete sense of the word – no half way kaffirs – Complete Kaffirs - borrowing Mr. Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad’s words “are Pakkay Kaffirs”.
All Muslims reject all claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
As belief in all the Prophets is a MUST (and Ahmadis accept Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani as prophet) the Ahmadis MUST believe that all those have rejected Mirza Ghulam Ahmad are kaffirs! kaffirs in complete sense of the word – no half way kaffirs – Complete Kaffirs - borrowing Mr. Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad’s words “are Pakkay Kaffir”.
If you don’t do that, then your faith and belief in PROPHET HOOD is defective and not sincere
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Above is completely wrong – Belief in ALL of the Prophets is a MUST – no half way deals.
Ahmadis Victorious?
Wake up! Stop dreaming and smell the coffee.
You think that you guys have got a Khilaafat? Just because some dude has been selected and bestowed with title of Khalifah to collect Chanda?
On which land on this vast planet does this khilaafat exist for last hundred odd years?
Khaleefah has to implement Law of Allah Almighty on land – which khaleefah of yours has done this apart from collecting chanda?
Your khaleefah has taken refuge in foreign land ironically the Head of State of that very country is Head of Church of England – the church that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad had claimed to have destroyed!!!
On the other hand, your khaleefah is under the British Government following their law and not that of Allah Almighty! He has no authority to rule or judge over anything. He himself is subject to the British laws and Government; he himself must pay taxes to the government. So how can he be a khaleefah?
Seeds of ‘Self planted tree of British Empire’ has come back to the home of their master.
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Fraud about Ahmadi population:**
Sri Lankan Ahmadi Jamaat claims 220 Ahmadis Worldwide
LankaWeb News 220 Million Ahmadis
Mirza Tahir claims 200 million Ahmadis Worldwide (around 2003?)
The 200 Million Figure - wiki 200 million Ahmadis
Mirza Masroor Ahmad claims 170 million Ahmadis
The Hindu : Kerala / Kochi News : Ahmadiyya leader calls for joint action to contain terrorism 170 million Ahmadis
Mirza Masroor Ahmad claims 70 million Ahmadis
http://www.alislam.org/khilafat/fifth/preaching%20peace.pdf 70million Ahmadis
Latest Ahmadi figures - Exceeding tens of millions
An Overview latest figures from Ahmadi sources
Exceeding tens of millions
Ahmadi population figures by independent sources just over 10 million!
Ahmadiyya Muslim Community - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
According to some estimates the total population of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community worldwide is over 10 million, of whom 8,202,000 live in south asia.[35] - • James Minahan: Encyclopedia of the stateless nations. Ethnic and national groups around the world. Greenwood Press . Westport 2002, page 52
Ahmadi Khaleefahs = Big Time Liars
And you call this help of Allah Almighty?
Don’t you see Allah Almighty did not let your ‘prophet’ or his successors visit the Blessed Bait Allah ‘His House?’
Except your second khaleefah with help of the British. I bet he kept a low profile and didn’t introduce himself as khaleefah of ‘muslims’.
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May Allah enable you to see that Islam's Allah is a living Allah, who speaks even to this day as He used to speak before..who listens even to this day as He listened before..and that not a single one of His attribute is stopped as it has never stopped before. Ameen.
Allah almighty spoke to His Messengers (peace be upon them all) through archangel Jibreel (as).
The message was always conveyed in the language of the relevant Messenger.
Muslims believe that the Final Message has been revealed in form of the Blessed Quran and sayings and actions of the Final Messenger the Blessed Prophet (peace be upon him)
It is now time for the test of Mankind and the Jinn to listen, obey and act upon the Message.
Imam Ali (ra) said to something to the effect:
When I want to listen to Allah Almighty I read the Blessed Quran; and when I want to talk to Allah Almighty I pray and supplicate to Him
Allah Almighty will speak again on the Final Day.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad had the services of many angels and ‘wahi’ in many languages with a lot of grammatical mistakes. Allah Almighty MALKES NO MISTAKES – this exposes Mirza Qadianis fraud!
Angels in service of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
Techi Techi: “On March 5, 1905 I dreamt an angel in dream. He told me that his name was Techi Techi” (Haqiqat Alwahi, P: 232 by mirza qadiyani)
Darshani: “I saw an angel who was in the form of a twenty years young man. He was like the English and was sitting in a chair and table before him. I said to him: “You are very beautiful”. He said: “Yes, my name is Darshani” (Tazkara, P: 31 by mirza qadiyani)
Khairati: “Three angels appeared. The name of one of the angels was Khairati” (Taryaq ul Qulub, P: 192 by mirza qadiyani)
Mithan Lal: “I dreamt Mithan Lal, who once was an assistant in Batala, sitting on a chair and surrounded by his staff. I gave him a paper to sign it that was meant for a friend of mine. He signed it with hesitation. The Mithan Lal that I dreamt was in fact, an angel”. ** Tazkara, P: 515)**
Sher Ali: “In a revealed state I saw a man who seemed me an angel, but while in dream I felt that his name was Sher Ali” (Tazkara, P: 31)
Hafeez: “In a dream, I met an angel who was in the form of a small boy. I asked him what his name was. He replied, “My name is Hafeez” (Tazkara, P: 757)
You said that “who speaks even to this day” Since Mirza Ghulam Ahmad passed 100 plus years ago.
To whom Allah Almighty is speaking with since then? - Your khaleefahs?
I have proved in post above that your khaleefahs lie about the World Wide Ahmadi population.
Liars are never guided by Allah Almighty! Never!
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Jazakallah respected brother** psyah** :salam2:
Since you are so knowledgeable and our scholars ‘tremble’ talking to you. Your Mr. Ansar Raza was so unconvincing and tongue-tied, he needed rescuing!
Since you was there you should have jumped in and rescued poor Mr. Ansar Raza – it would have been easy for you. The Muslim guy admitted that he was not a scholar! Yet he was more confident and more convincing than your self-styled scholar!
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Let' get back to the original purpose of this thread - the question was asked: What do Ahmedi's call mainstream muslims?
We are on page 12 Yet there is no clear cut answer form Ahmadis - Verbal somersaulting - public posturing - responding to questions by questions but not answering.
Whatever answers that were there did NOT match up to what is in there books or beliefs of their elders.
I'll pose this challenge again - It was ignored or answered half-halfheartedly. Let us see who among them honours their books and elders and not betray them.
This is becoming very absurd, Ahmadis here are really non-committal.
A lot of references and scanned pages from their books have given to them that clearly shows that it is integral part of Ahmadi belief that any person who doesn’t belief in mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s prophet hood is not a muslim and out of pale of Islam. The term ‘Pukkay Kaffir’ has been used by their eminent personality to emphasize the Ahmadi position.
All the Ahmadi posters here in a state of Denial even in presence of evidence from their books. They keep making statements contrary to what is in their books. Either what they say is true or whatever written in their books is a lie. Or it is other way around.
To get around this impasse, I’ll the following statement:
I sincerely believe with the references from the Quran and the Sayings of the Blessed Prophet (peace be upon him) that no new prophet will come in any form/shape.
I take Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani to be a charlatan and an imposter with his claims to be a mahdi, messiah and a prophet of Allah Almighty. I reject and denounce all his claims and throw them in waste paper bin just as he threw the Blessed hadith of the Blessed Prophet (peace be upon him) in waste paper bin.
So I would like to ask the following obaid1982; kchughtai; Mr. Popat; u_ahmed; Mezhgan having read the above belief of mine:
1) Do you consider me out of pale of Islam (kaffir) as per your beliefs in your text books?
2) Or am I still a Non-Ahmadi Muslim?
If you opt for number 2 then it means that you have rejected what is in your books and also you disown statements made by Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad.
Looking forward to the responses.
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Let' get back to the original purpose of this thread - the question was asked: What do Ahmedi's call mainstream muslims?
We are on page 12 Yet there is no clear cut answer form Ahmadis - Verbal somersaulting - public posturing - responding to questions by questions but not answering.
Whatever answers that were there did NOT match up to what is in there books or beliefs of their elders.
I'll pose this challenge again - It was ignored or answered half-halfheartedly. Let us see who among them honours their books and elders and not betray them.
It's clear the question was answered on the very first page:
Non-Ahmadi Muslims. Ghair Ahmadi Sunni/Shia/insert-your-sect-here Muslims
Then people started saying "oh, so you call them Kaafir? But we are not kaafir - YOU are kaafir" and then 12 more pages of debate ensued.
But as I say, your answer is on the first page. End of story.
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It's clear the question was answered on the very first page:
Then people started saying "oh, so you call them Kaafir? But we are not kaafir - YOU are kaafir" and then 12 more pages of debate ensued.
But as I say, your answer is on the first page. End of story.
So mirza basheer was wrong?
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^^^ Lol, if you want to argue - start another thread. But then don't complain that the answer hasn't been given, when it has.
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^^^ Lol, if you want to argue - start another thread. But then don't complain that the answer hasn't been given, when it has.
no one is arguing on this, just that trying to stop from misleading the readers.
Point was whose stance we consider as ahmediya official stance? mirza basheer or some cyber nick's? try reading the response and you will know.
i hope you know about Mirza zafar ullah khan statement on quaid e azam namaz e jinaza.
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no one is arguing on this, just that trying to stop from misleading the readers.
Point was whose stance we consider as ahmediya official stance? mirza basheer or some cyber nick's? try reading the response and you will know.
i hope you know about Mirza zafar ullah khan statement on quaid e azam namaz e jinaza.
Yes. Who's point would you consider the real stance? Somebody who is NOT Ahmadi Muslim, and is trying to quote from their texts, OR somebody who IS Ahmadi Muslim, and can give you the answer based on their real life experience?
Who to choose, who to choose???
Thing is, the answer is plain and clear on the first page. But then you wish to start arguments, so you throw in quotes from various books. Then, when responses are given to those quotes, you go along and say "these people are avoiding the question; they are bringing in points that no-one has even covered, why don't they just answer the question?!"
It's quite funny really. Anyone with half a brain could see the approach you are trying to take. You asked a question, and you got an answer. End of story. If you wish to take the conversation down a different path, and analyse a specific aspect of Ahmadiyyat, then go start a thread on THAT TOPIC, and you will get an answer.
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Yes. Who's point would you consider the real stance? Somebody who is NOT Ahmadi Muslim, and is trying to quote from their texts, OR somebody who IS Ahmadi Muslim, and can give you the answer based on their real life experience?
Who to choose, who to choose???
Thing is, the answer is plain and clear on the first page. But then you wish to start arguments, so you throw in quotes from various books. Then, when responses are given to those quotes, you go along and say "these people are avoiding the question; they are bringing in points that no-one has even covered, why don't they just answer the question?!"
It's quite funny really. Anyone with half a brain could see the approach you are trying to take. You asked a question, and you got an answer. End of story. If you wish to take the conversation down a different path, and analyse a specific aspect of Ahmadiyyat, then go start a thread on THAT TOPIC, and you will get an answer.
Yes, even the half brain will work. :) It is that clear.
There is one official stance and then what you people are trying to represent here, ok let me dig into this again and will come up with more evidences inshallah.
meanwhile what about what zafarullah qaidyani said on quaid e azam funeral?
Ahmedi stance is confusing, they treat muslims as kaffir yet not admit it on forums.