While there are a lot of emotional outbursts against these attacks.. and rightly so.. as a nation we should not only show our emotions at these times. It’s important to evaluate the real reasons behind these attacks.. Following can be some possible motivations:
A) Could be a case of mistaken identity. I do not subscribe to this theory because the there is intelligence sharing between both the armies. Also according to Pakistan army officials Americans were notified within minutes of the attack but they continued the operation for hours.
B) Were they suspecting that the Pakistani army post was giving protection to some runaway terrorist from other side of the border. We know the lack of trust between both the armies/countries. America does not believe specially after the presence of Osama Bin Laden in Abbotabad that some elements of Pakistan army do not actually facilitate the terrorist.
C) One reason which some media people are speculating is that they wanted to diversify attention from the Pakistani government in trouble from the recent memo. Probably they wanted to give some message to Pakistani army to keep their hands off from the so called puppet government eager to please American interest more than Pakistani interest. We know the aftermath actions taken by our political government were forced actions due to army pressure.. our President has not yet officially condemned the attacks.
D) Americans want to start something bigger. We know next year is going to be election year in America. It’s very difficult for present leadership in US to face the elections on their economic achievements.. therefore they just want to create a war euphoria by escalating their tensions with Pakistan. Republicans have preempted this move and have started to be harsher on Pakistan than the present leadership.
If there is any other reason coming to your mind please do share with the forum. Let’s keep the emotional talk in other threads and let’s try to rationally evaluate the real motives behind these attacks..
re: What could be the possible reasons behind the Nato attacks on Pakistani army post..
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Point 1.. Unlikely!!! Solving Afghanistan they can not afford to create a bigger monster in the shape of Pakistan. A much bigger nation with many times bigger global presence.
Point 2... Unlikely!!! If they just wanted to test waters.. they should have done something to damage control the situation. The reaction took by Pakistani government was mainly due to media, public, army pressure.. they would have done something to neutralize the effects in the aftermaths of the situation. I don't think they desire status quo, and were just testing the waters..
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Point 1.. Unlikely!!! Solving Afghanistan they can not afford to create a bigger monster in the shape of Pakistan. A much bigger nation with many times bigger global presence.
you think americans are that sensible??
Point 2... Unlikely!!! If they just wanted to test waters.. they should have done something to damage control the situation. The reaction took by Pakistani government was mainly due to media, public, army pressure.. they would have done something to neutralize the effects in the aftermaths of the situation. I don't think they desire status quo, and were just testing the waters..
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I didn't get your 2nd point.
1) I find it difficult to believe they are that stupid either.
2) I don't think they want a status quo with Pakistan. You said they would like to escalate situation through air strikes/ground operations. My question is why they would want that. What is the reason behind all these initiatives. Ok as you say they wanted to test the waters.. they have tested the water.. now what?
They are not doing anything to neutralize the situation.. in fact they are trying to escalate it further..
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you said they don't want status quo with Pakistan...... now what change do you think they aim to bring to that status quo?? ......thats where i said....they might want to coerce pakistan into doing what they want (changing status quo).........and one possible way is military attacks at the border
I think they realize very well that this course will not make Pakistan fall in line with their scheme of things.. rather will make Pakistan move further away from them. They just want to escalate things with Pakistan even at the cost of losing reliable logistical support. The alternate Russian routes will be much more expensive and will be under constant blackmailing tactics. Russians will ask much more than Pakistanis ever have been asking in return of the services needed by American troops in Afghanistan.
And worst situation for them will be Russian route will be the only option they have. For a super power like America to stand on one leg is not the best idea..
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I would love to believe that.. but they must be weighing all the pros and cons at the moment very carefully.
For Pakistan.. this could be the best thing ever.. not the loss of innocent lives.. but the unity/awareness these attacks will create amongst our people. If this results in our saying no to the disgusted American aid.. it will be the best thing ever happened to Pakistan. Although we will face some short term hardships (even that I don't believe will happen).. in the long run we will have a huge reality check and we will try to put our house in order..
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Wouldnt be surprising if it was the act of a rogue pilot who intentionally fired on the post without authorization, knowing full well it belonged to the Pak army, or perhaps he intentionally relayed it back as a 'terrorist camp', while he knew it was a Pak army post. There are lots of cowboys in the US and Nato forces. The NATO and US would of course never disclose this, if this was indeed the case. The so called inquiry will be a sham, meant to find a way to put the whole thing under wraps, not find the true cause.
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Well the problem is that there are two kind of voices in America, while the public is tired of the war and Obama administration wants to placate the public opinion by ending the war through negotiation. The military wants to put military pressure (they are even against the American presidents deadlines for pulling out the surge forces). Because of the confused policy we are seeing these things, maybe the tension between Pak-Afghanistan will provide the American military an excuse of keeping the surge forces in Afghanistan. This could also be a signal to Pakistan army to mend their ways and tow American line and fulfil their interests in the region. Is it a coincidence that this attack happened 1-2 days after Pakistan and China held joint army exercises?
Re: What could be the possible reasons behind the Nato attacks on Pakistani army post
Wouldnt be surprising if it was the act of a rogue pilot who intentionally fired on the post without authorization, knowing full well it belonged to the Pak army, or perhaps he intentionally relayed it back as a 'terrorist camp', while he knew it was a Pak army post. There are lots of cowboys in the US and Nato forces. The NATO and US would of course never disclose this, if this was indeed the case. The so called inquiry will be a sham, meant to find a way to put the whole thing under wraps, not find the true cause.
It cannot be the actions of a rogue pilot. According to information available, the higher ups were informed and the firing continued unabated. I think there is definitely more to this than that meets the eye.
I think it could have been because there would have been suspicious activity around the camp. For years India has been saying that Pakistan provides artillery support when they infiltrate people to Kashmir. Americans might have thought that this would have been the case. Whatever it was, it was a stupid and criminal to do this.
Ordinary Pakistanis would feel repulsive when they think of US as an ally. I agree the inquiry would be a sham, but would really hope that the truth eventually comes out through wikileaks.
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Testing the grounds for a military incursion. That is the only thing that makes sense. Check the mettle of the government and military and see what happens.
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It is simple, after getting their asses kicked by Afghan resistants aka Talibans of Afghanistan for 10 years, they need a moral boost some little victory and target practice.. what else is best then attacking an army whose leadership when under attack hide under their beds and thinks what to do...
They took liberty to attack because they know that there won't be anyone supporting those Jawans on the ground and they knew that these Jawans do not have enough fire power to fight against aerial attacks and they knew that the leadership living in lavish houses of Islamabad might be sleeping and would be not wakeup till mid day...
As we can see, things are exactly happening as they thought, yes supply is blocked but for how long??may be till 7th of December may be little more...and look at the Bonn conference thing, the PM Gillani's stance from NOT attending the conf to IT IS UP TO PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE..
So to me, these attacks were not there to test waters... these were not there for any other reasons..it is only boost the moral and improve the records, like if get beating from Australia in Cricket, we try to have next series with Zimababwe or NewZealand, where the Zeros of Australian match becomes heroes...
