What Being Muslim (or not) Means to You?

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Nanga,
Now i have got the idea how much Quran do you read, or shall I say how much do you follow it. The Quran is the most simple and straight forward Book there has ever been.
You're just good in making you're own preditions. According to you Khatim un Nabi, means the Best of all Prophets. There is no doubt that he was the Best Human being, but he was also the LAst Prophet. Why dont you open the Quran and start reading.

Insaaniat, if you believe that studying other religions is right, than how much of Hinduism have you studied, how much Jewism have you studied.....
Forget about other religions, you people do not even know what your own religion says!!

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maulana whatsoever!

i am reposting my statement, please dont avoid answering my question.

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Originally posted by nanga ]:
*Originally posted by Desert fox: *
If its written in the Quran that Mohammed (PBUH) is the khatameen then he is the last and anyone who does not belive this my friend is not muslim.
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quran does say mohammet.sa is khatam un nabeeyeen but i am not sure how you translated this word khatam (not khatim) as last. i believe it means seal of the prophets, meaning greatest of all the prophets.

by the way what does the meaning last testifies? doest this interpretation ‘last’ excels the personality of mohammet.sa over other prophets? i fail to understand the significance of last prophet, please assist me.

if you say it means 'last law-bearing' prophet, that’s acceptable, i can agree with that, because its doesn’t contradicts with other statements of quran.

{PS} please write down the ayat and explain your meaning of that particular word in the light of quran.

{PS} your fatwa about the denial of this meaning is not muslim, is very loose.

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[quote]
Originally posted by Dr Who?:
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Insaaniat, if you believe that studying other religions is right, than how much of Hinduism have you studied, how much Jewism have you studied.....
Forget about other religions, you people do not even know what your own religion says!!**
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Dr. Who

I must say you done a very good job of studying Ahmadies but less of your own religion.

I know what is in Quran and in Hadith. I will follow what is said in Quran and Haith and teachings of Holy Prophet (PBUH).

What you are saying and what language you using tells me where you get all these fire power from. It is same language that Mullah use in pakistan for calling other sects non-muslims.

Its is you people who are dividing the Ummat.

Now after this message please let other to express their view about this thread and not your views about Ahmadies.

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O people! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Apostle of God and the last in the line of Prophets. And God is Aware of everything.

Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Ahzab 33:40)

This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Maidah 5:3)

My position in relation to the prophets who came before me can be explained by the following example: A man erected a building and adorned this edifice with great beauty, but he left an empty niche, in the corner where just one brick was missing. People looked around the building and marveled at its beauty, but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche? I am like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in the line of the Prophets.
(Bukhari, Muslim,Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmad, Tirmizi, Babu Khatimin-Nabiyyin, Musnad Abu Dawud Tayalisi)

Do you have anything else to say??
The Quran and the Hadith possess the solution to every problem in the world. I dont need to go to any Maulvi, as you stated in your earlier post!!

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Please read my last post.
It will help you to know how much of The Quran and Hadith you follow!!

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nanga,
when you finish somthing I belive you seal it like a leeter. So if Mohammed (PBUH) was the seal then he was the last and the one to finish the prophethood(meaning he was the last and there can be no prophet after him)
and you requested the Ayat so here it is

22chapter Surah al ahzab number,ayat 40: "Mohammed is not the father of any man among you,but the messenger of Allah and the seal of the prophets. Allah is the knower of all things".

And when you read it in Arabic at the end of the part where it says in arabic Nabiyina there is a Toiy the arabic hard T. that means stop and think about it dont belive me than read the part and belive it!

he is the Katimain nabiyana(last of the prophets)last can't you get the meaning of last. katam in urdu. khalas in arabic, fini in french need any more!

go read surah 33 ayat 40 and you will get everything!

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Yes if Allah has perfected his relgion for you than I think if somthing is perfect you cant make it better so if that day Religion was perfected then how can there be a person claiming to make it better!

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Originally posted by Desert fox:

he is the Katimain nabiyana(last of the prophets)last can't you get the meaning of last. katam in urdu. khalas in arabic, fini in french need any more!

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Desert Fox.......Isn't word Katam is arabic word???

[This message has been edited by Insaaniat (edited October 01, 2000).]

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I have been thinking of how best to answer NYAhmadi’s question and yesterday when I watched these images on every news channel it summed up in my heart why I am a Muslim who feels for my Muslims brothers and sisters everywhere, especially the Palestinians - here are the images:-

***Images that shook the world

Images from the video footage of 12-year old Muhammad al-Durrah being shot dead in the Gaza Strip. The scene was filmed by a France 2 cameraman ***

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_952000/952700.stm

[This message has been edited by Malik73 (edited October 02, 2000).]

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Khalas is the Arabic word used now a days but yes you are right KHATAM is an arabic word I was just trying to get this last thing in nangas brain so I had to use urdu. hope u understand.

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Pictures speak a thousand words…a little innocent boy dies in his father’s arms, what ARE you supposed to say to that??

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HK and Malik, no doubt that what is going on is horrendous and there is absolutely no justification for this slaughter of the innocent. But how in the world would those pictures summed up “what it means to be a Muslim to you”? To me the pictures awoke a feeling of being “feeble” and “powerless” and “angry” and “sickened” and “disgusted”. But those are my feelings as a Human being. It is true that religion and humanity go hand in hand, but feeling so “powerless” should not be the sum of it. That kid could have been a Jew, a Hindu, or a Buddhist. Any human being will feel the same disgust over such blight.

One would hope that religion would uplift the individuals so they will feel forceful. At least, that’s what my religion means to me. To give me the valiancy to handle a tragedy.

You two are confusing your feelings with a lot broader issue at hand. You might feel different about a situation tomorrow.

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The topic of this thread is "What Being Muslim (or not) Means to You?", but since very early on the discussion moved to (1) Qadiyaniat; and now to (2) Palestianian struggle.

Both of them are sufficiently important topics on their own, however, I would feel that #2 belongs to "World Affairs". This brings me to my question:

Earlier today, on this forum I saw a thread asking NYAhmadi to explain his beliefs, but right now I am not seeing this thread anymore. Is it my eyes who are doing the trick here? What happened there?

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NYAhmadi the brutal killing of little Mohammed awoke passions in me for the first time i.e. that I feel fro my fellow Muslims everywhere especially the Palestinians and their just cause.

If a Jewish, Christian, Hindu etc child was in the same position I would have felt the same human revulsion and anger but I can’t say I would have felt sympathy for their cause as a whole i.e. Zionism etc. That does not make me bigoted at all. This terrible killing has awoken in me the feelings of Muslim unity or whatever you may call it.

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[This message has been edited by Malik73 (edited October 04, 2000).]

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[quote]
Originally posted by Dr Who?:
**Fine!!
What does your religion teach huh!!
Raping inocent women, killing young men, burning the entire village at a time....
Like what is being done in Kashmir presently.

Now dont say that Pakistan is promoting terrorism, cause it's the people of Kashmir who are fighting. People from Azad KAshmir have much more right on there homeland than u Indians!!!**
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I hate to bring this up again.. as the thread has finally gotten civilised

Dr Who...

Being a hindu does not mean you go about killing etc etc... what a small minority do does not indicate what the rest of the people are.

End of message to Dr who..

With regards to Islam being the best of religions.. Yes it is... but the same does not hold true for muslims as best of the people... as we see it everyday these days.. How many of the muslims give to charity a significant portion of their salary, even considering there is supposed to be sawab for it.. On many occasions I feel shamed to be associated by other muslims.

With regards to going to heaven and being asked a the gates of heaven on who the last messenger was .... you also must remember that there were followers of other prophets who were true followers to the message they received.. therefore they are considered to be muslims as well.. so there is no way they will be able to tell who the last messenger was, that is if they are questioned on information they received on earth.

In addition there is no guarantee that I or any of the muslims of current era will go to heaven.. The only thing I was told was that unless the last muslim goes to heaven none of the other people will be allowed in..

to take the message back to the original thread..

With regard to what Islam means to me..
Understanding, or trying to undertand my place on this world and in the universe..
the reason for life.. being at peace with myself and with others.. trying to be an example to other people..

True that I don't have to be a muslim to do all these things.. but it does help me to get there..

For other people other religion may be more suitable.. to them I say.. good luck.. for the choice is there..

As Allama Talib al Jauhri said in one his daras shown on TV.. for sake of the argument ... If there is a god, there is a judgement day and that if Islam is the true religion ... isn;t it better to be safe rather than sorry..

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[quote]
Originally posted by blackzero:
** I hate to bring this up again.. as the thread has finally gotten civilised

Dr Who...

Being a hindu does not mean you go about killing etc etc... what a small minority do does not indicate what the rest of the people are.

End of message to Dr who..

With regards to Islam being the best of religions.. Yes it is... but the same does not hold true for muslims as best of the people... as we see it everyday these days.. How many of the muslims give to charity a significant portion of their salary, even considering there is supposed to be sawab for it.. On many occasions I feel shamed to be associated by other muslims.

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first can I ask you do you belive that Gulam mirza was a real prophet?

seconddo you belive Mohammed(pbuh)was last and if it says that deen is perfected that mean there is no use for putting more into deen!(like an other prophet)

If Quran states that there will be an other prophet, than there will be an other (as far as I know Quran says there will be none)

In turat, zubur, Injil there is mention of a other prophet(s) but there is nothing like that in Quran.

If people follow these books than they must belive that there will be a prophet after them, right?

And if people follow the Quran they must belive that there is no prophet after them!

[This message has been edited by Desert fox (edited October 05, 2000).]

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In turat, zubur, Injil there is mention of a other prophet(s) but there is nothing like that in Quran.<<<

Desert Fox. Although not related to the original post “what it means to you…..”, but could you please tell us where in Torah or Talmud does it say that there will be more prophets? Quote the Surah and Aya #s for easy reference. I am just curious.

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NYAhmadi,
i have read what u posted and what others have responded.
1.What i would like to know,why does anybody has to tell u what it is like to be a muslim?
2.for the heck of it lets suppose i do tell u what it is to be like a muslim,what are u going to do about it?
3.do u plan to "Rebut"or try to show me a different perspective on that i should consider switching to being an "Ahmadi".
4.if not what are your core intentions?
5.i am just trying to understand where u are coming from,so can u tell me why did u pose such a question where u know that how most of people feel about it?

those are few questions that came to my mind.
now i am not regilious researcher,scholar,pandit or have no ties with the pop so i am not going to say that being an ahmadi is wrong or right.i am not qualified to answer that because i am just a ordinary person as compared to the people who have been arguing with u on this topic.If u believe in being Ahmadi thats your business and i respect that for me i am going to my own grave so i better mind my own business no matter what.as an individual i am going to be held accountable for my beliefs for my actions for my intentions.the thought of that scares the begeezesis out me.the point i am trying to make is that please dont waste your time and everyone elses in trying to prove something when u should know better its not gonna get u anywhere.
comments welcome.
cios
may the lord forgive us all and show us the right path.Amin

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Homosepian By Nature. Of course, and I totally concur with you. If you don’t like sharing with other what it means to be (fill in the blanks with your faith) to you, don’t share it. I just shared with you what it means to be an Ahmadi to me.

You don’t have to sound so disdainful and no one is here to convert you. Not all topics that are discussed here in this Place are meant to have a “motive”. My suggestion to you will be to stand up to the challenge and tell us what it means to you to be a (fill in the blank). If it means to you to read too deep into posts, then that’s your prerogative.

Thanks for your thoughts.

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Desert Fox... my believing in Mirza sahib has no connection with the post i made so there is no point in asking me such a question..

Oh.. b.t.w.. where did you read injil?.. I would really like to know.. do you mean the book which is read by christians today which mentions Jesus as son of God - a concept abhorred by you... Are you testifying that that book is true?... same goes zaboor.. as far as i know there is no existing copy on this world to verify the claim.

As far as your question goes.. Yes i believe the prophet was the last messenger from god.. but by god.. I think there is more need of a prophet now than ever was ... especially to deal with narrow minded people who cannot grant another human being common courtesy.