The only biggest problem existed since 1947 is continuation of dictatorship, dominated by Punjabi Mafia. Unless this cancer is removed, there is hardly any chance of improvement. All efforts would lead to zero.
As one Pakistani intellectual said, learn lesson from India.
FARID
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Originally posted by Farid:
...As one Pakistani intellectual said, learn lesson from India...
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You mean spend $15 billion on defense over the next two years while 500 million Indians are starving or below the pverty line. Good move indeed?
Anyway, back to the topic:
So Farid, assuming the so called 'cancer' is removed, which three things would you tackle first?
2bornot2b,
I did not want to add further to this discussion but your remarks on spending on defense made me to explain further my point of view. I do not mind spending on defense as much as any country want to. But the spending must have some justification. India has two big enemies. No1. Is Pakistan and No2 is China. It has no choice but to defend its borders and preserve the biggest democracy. That is one big reason why Americans and Western countries always support India and NOT PAKISTAN whenever there is conflict between the two. All the wars or battles between India and Pakistan, Pakistan have always been aggressor, though such aggressions were without any strategic plan and any results. In fact Pakistan lost more than half of the country for such stupidity.
From the past events it has proved again and again, Pakistan’s spending on military is a social service for Punjabis at cost of the other communities. Thought less spending on acquiring war equipment is just a WASTE of money. Why? Because Pakistan will never be allowed by Uncle SAM to use such weaponry against India. Can you imagine defying Uncle Sam’s orders? What happened to Pakistani leadership after 911, it looked military of Pakistan is subservient to Americans and they can not take decisions at their own. Then why such spending?
Recently India has gone through worst communal riots in Gujrat. I salute judges of Indian Supreme Court who were Hindus and passed orders against the worship or making of temple at sight. Do you think that same could have happened in Pakistan---Never? According to same Pakistani intellectual, Paki judges are ‘Bikao’ and corrupt. They have never stood up for the rights people and not single judge has given decisions against the rulers. If our judicial system is so corrupt and partial, you can expect any good to the people of Pakistan. In the judicial history of Pakistan, only three judges were considered honest and they made bold decisions without compromising their integrity. Guess what all three judges were non-Muslims. Here is my answer.
FARID
Farid, rather than hijacking MJ's excellent thread, if you want to further discuss defense expenditure and the so called largest democracy in the world, I would be delighted to continue this discussion elsewhere.
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Originally posted by Abdali:
** catch 22!!! without educated masses you may never get a good leader. wanna bet who will be the next PM if elections are held. Even by Quranic declaration "Nation gets the leader it deserves"**
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Elections are not the only way to get leaders. Look at Pakistan right now. Musharraf didn't come through elections. Look at Iran, Khomeni didn't come through elections. George Washington, Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, none of them came through elections. Elections is just one way to get leaders.
So, I think, if we get a good leaders for sensible period of time, whether through elections or not, then all the problems will be solved. As you can see, a good leadership can take care of almost all these problems. All these problems are circular in nature. One feeds the other until it becomes a vicious circle. Breaking such a vicious circle is not easy.
Sometimes this cycle can be broken by a major event. For example if suddenly there are huge oil reserves discovered in Balochistan or gold mines discovered in NWFP or somethin equally incredible. Some middle eastern countries are a prime example on how natural reserves can transform a country.
You can break it, by a revolution. For example, industrial revolution, where you cut back on normal expenses drastically and invest in the country. Its painful, but it has worked in Europe. Revolt against feudal system, like the French Revolution and take destiny of the country in your own hands.
It can be broken by consistent hardwork. Japan and Germany built their countries shattered after WW-II. Japan had virtually no natural wealth, a small size, big population, crumbled economy, nuclear devastation and an enemy occupation. They gave up their defence and concentrated entirely on economic rehabilitation. And look where they got in the middle of 80's.
2bornot2b,
Who is MJ and which thread are you talking about? Can you explain what do you want to say? As regard hijacking of any one's ideas, I would be rather last person to do that. What I write is mostly my personal thoughts and I always give reference/links when I want others should also read. I have been writing since 1997. GOT IT.
I do not want to add further what I already said. Read my above post again you would find your answers.
FARID
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Originally posted by Farid:
**The only biggest problem existed since 1947 is continuation of dictatorship, dominated by Punjabi Mafia. Unless this cancer is removed, there is hardly any chance of improvement. All efforts would lead to zero.
As one Pakistani intellectual said, learn lesson from India.
FARID**
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Yeah right, learn lesson from India. You mean not to take necessary actions against rattle Hindus. Yeah right!
Play your game - Guess my motto
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Originally posted by MJ:
**I thought provincialism is a big problem, but maybe its not. I have jotted down a few problems facing Pakistan. Select the three biggest ones you feel should top the list. I am sure some problems feed other problems and some merely overlap.
This list is in no particular order. Please pick THREE biggest problems
Once we have the problems prioritized, then we can discuss how to resolve them. Don't give any suggestions to fix these problems, yet. Thanks! :)
[This message has been edited by MJ (edited March 25, 2002).]**
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The three problems are:
Political Mafia-Controlled by corrupt politicians and feudals. They want to come in power at ANY cost.
Media Mafia-They are a sell out, going to the highest bidder. The Indians and Zionists get to them without any problem.
Judicial Mafia-They are PIA [pain in a$$]
Get rid of them and you don't have to worry at all!
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Originally posted by FreeSoul:
**Three problems:
cut down the defence budget, spend on education, health, infra structure, and u will see a prosperous pakistan in > 10 years.
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Yes! cut down the defense budget and give it to Zardari and Nawaz! They will take Pakistan to the Mars!
Would you like to replace The Pakistan Army with the Indian Army? Food for thought!
Lack of education'
religous intolerance
lack of leadership
Re: What are the three biggest problems facing Pakistan?
hi,
If you concentrate on effective education that will solve the secondary issues
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the biggest problem:
the people themsleves
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I would pick
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Three biggest problems Pakistan is facing right now are :
If Pakistan get rid of him and then the REAL PROBLEMS can be tackled effectively. I believe that he is the hurdle in every solution that Pakistan needs for its problem.
There is some show conducted by a lady Jasmeen (Samma Tv) in which worker from his own party was criticising him and Gilani and not to forget the Joota Hitter was a PPP worker too ! So it’s not just us common Pakistani who is hating and criticising him.
Re: What are the three biggest problems facing Pakistan?
To my view the problems in Pakistan started before the partition: Muslims stated that they are a different nation from Hindus (2 Nation theory).
soon after independence some Sunni Muslims - started defining a Muslim as one who believes that Mohammad is the last prophet.
This brought the other “Muslims” (Ahmedia’s, shia’s etc) feeling like 2nd class citizens.
Religion took a stronger hold in the politics of Pakistan, even the army was ‘Islamafied’ - religious intolerance spread.
The fanatics soon started demanding an even more religious country - Blasphemy laws were introduced to calm them, but this was not enough, these fanatics now wanted more.
These religious fanatics, were then encouraged by the ISI to wage a war in Kashmir - they were armed and trained.
USA also decided to use these fanatics as ‘canon fodder’ for its war against USSR - further arming, training, thus legitimizing this religious fanaticism.
The ‘taliban’ now became so strong, that no one could control it, even the ISA was struggling to contain it.
The Pakistan movement was not ‘grass roots’ that is Jinnah relied for support & money from the rich & powerful muslim royals & feudals.
These feudals / royal/rich/educated Muslims wanted to protect their turf, and as such no land reforms etc could take place in pakistan. Even today, these same people and their families control the politics of Pakistan.
Pakistan Army: “Kashmir was a part of Pakistan”, but this was not happening. Jinnah or/and the Pakistan army hatched a plan to wrest Kashmir forcibly by inciting th tribal s. Unfortunately, India manipulated the situation that the Raja acceded to India. This controversial situation gave India a foot hold in Kashmir.
Pakistan was determined to become strong vis a vis India. They joined western & USA alliances, with the aim of gaining free military equipment (to fight communism? in reality India). Pakistan’s army got the lions share of the economy. They started becoming powerful, so powerful that today they control almost all facets of the economy and political arena.
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so by your theories…shias dont believe in Prophet Muhammad being the last prophet?
I appreciate the viewpoint, but such factual errors really then make one wonder how much does someone know.
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very true
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Diamond321, it is not as simple as that. even if Zardari quits, Pakistan’s problems will not magically disappear. just as they did not when musharaf was forced to resign after demands for his ouster reached a crescendo. i can see where people are coming from when they blame one person so much; in times of crisis, and the country has been going through such a crisis, we often need a boogeyman to reduce our negative feelings of anxiety, fear, guilt etc bubbling inside us. the problem is finding boogeyman does not solve problems; people do.
is it really plausible that after zardari quits, the country’s economy will improve enough to help the most vulnerable? or that the very rich will start paying taxes? or that terrorism will cease just because zardari is no more the president? or that the country’s capacity to produce electricity will increase?
unfortunately i don’t think it is.
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goodname I agree it’s not so simple ! But if he is gone then probably (hopefully) funds can be used for things they are meant to be rather than being end up in Mr 10%'s pocket. Musharaff brought us out of the IMF debts and the first thing this guy did was to take loans again from IMF …result no more subsidies on petrol , food items , electricity etc. Infact these things are made more expensive. He and his MPAs are spending so much of Pakistan’s money on their luxuries , they are living a lavish life at the expense of country’s money. The inflation here is crazy , I am 29 years old and never in my life I have seen such a high inflation , things were even not so bad during Benazir’s time. There are so so many other problems that Pakistan is facing right now.
Zardari , Nawaz Sharif & these maulanas …all politicians are ek hi thali kay chatay batay but I think Zardari is the worse. Pakistan does not need any of them. Pakistan need someone like Musharraf again. He was not sin free either …no one can forget lal masjid , the issues with chief justice etc but he is also did alot of good things for Pakistan. I remember during Musharaf’s regime some families were easily surviving on Rs 3000 a month and now this is IMPOSSIBLE . You can not even survive at RS 10,000 a month now.