any demographic / cultural aspects?
Now this is a frequent news that Shia Za’ireen got killed on their way to Iran / Iraq in different parts of Balochistan.
I remember this was not the case few decades back in Balochistan.
Are Balochs in those areas anti-shia (following a sect which actively promote such genocide)?
As far as I know, overall Balochs got sufi influence like Sindhis and the society remained tolerant with plural values for long.
@Mir Baloch
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Demographics, religious intolerance and post 911 era… 
Migration from Afghansistan, rigid beliefs against minorities and war on terror…
Re: What are the reasons behind Shia Genocide in Balochistan?
over all baloch are secular and liberal they follow sufi Islam and baloch are not anti-shia at all , Saudi Arabia funded mullas have brainwashed some baloch and afghani refugees in quetta and chagai and using them against shias Saudi arab is funding them they want to talibanize balochistan they want to promote their version of islam the salafi extremist version
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Easy target in far away, wide spread territory.
Good choice of target to make pakistan look bad.
And its NOT balochi who are killing shias.
Yes, woh raw aur mosad ke agents hain jo yeah kaam kar rahai hain, right?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YFXG1j_L9Y
Mager iss baat say bhi monh nahi mora ja sakta hia…
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Yes, woh raw aur mosad ke agents hain jo yeah kaam kar rahai hain, right?
Does india consider pakistan their enemy ?
Does india consider and propagate pakistan as rogue state ?
Does india consider pakistan a threat to its border :
Does india has dispute over territory with pakistan ?
So if they have a intelligence, would they not use it against such a county?
Need to stop self hating boss.
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Muqawi its about time you read some international politics books, some thing about strategic_war_like planning books.
Its very childish of you to imply that common baloch is there to kill shia?
Very childish…
Hmmm. Wahga border pe khud kush hamla India ne karvaaya thaa?
Time to pull our head out of the sand boss
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Hmmm. Wahga border pe khud kush hamla India ne karvaaya thaa?
Time to pull our head out of the sand boss
I thought we were talking balochistan ?
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Does india consider pakistan their enemy ? Does india consider and propagate pakistan as rogue state ? Does india consider pakistan a threat to its border : Does india has dispute over territory with pakistan ?
So if they have a intelligence, would they not use it against such a county?
Need to stop self hating boss.
Interchange position of India and Pakistan in above arguments.
you will find similar opinion by Pakistani-obsessed India :)
Re: What are the reasons behind Shia Genocide in Balochistan?
I thought there would be mostly punjabis and pashtuns in lashkar-e-jhangvi in balochistan but it seems bulk of them are balochs. For example have a look at some of their most wanted ones in Baluchistan, they are balochs.
Lashkar-e Jhangvi Terrorist Organization
As for as the claim that secular baloch separatists nationlists are not capable of harming hazaras then its not true, as you have noticed , the hazaras zaireen to iran are killed in baloch-dominated areas where baloch insurgency is going on. Some other people can be suspected but that would be security forces, but i dont think they would do that. Secular baloch rebel is killing punjabi travelers and settlers so i wont be surprised if they have same feelings fro hazaras. Infact i was watching a video of khair bakhsh marri on youtube, in which he was addressing some crowd. He was openly saying that quetta and balochistan belongs to balochs, hazaras should leave quetta and go back to afghnaistan. He also talked against pashtuns. When i find that video , i would share it here.
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**[The contours of target killings in Balochistan](http://tribune.com.pk/story/155589/law-and-order-the-contours-of-target-killings-in-balochistan/)**
A lack of resour*ces and public sympat*hy for rebel groups hinder police invest*igatio*ns.
By [Salman Siddiqui](http://tribune.com.pk/author/138/salman-siddiqui/)
Published: April 24, 2011
**KARACHI: ** **Despite the presence of paramilitary forces with their extended powers for years in Balochistan, [target killings](http://tribune.com.pk/story/148625/balochistan-efforts-on-to-curb-target-killings/)continue to increase in the restive province.**
Experts say the trend in Balochistan is an interesting study to gauge how effective paramilitary forces can be in controlling crime and the general law and order situation in places like Karachi, where there is debate over whether more power and resources should be given to the Pakistan Rangers as police fails to do the job.
According to Balochistan police records, there were 256 incidents of targeting in Balochistan in 2009 that killed 200 people and injured 387. In 2010, 231 incidents were reported that killed 255 and injured 498. In the first three months of 2011, at least 39 incidents have occurred, which killed 38 and injured 66. Balochistan Constabulary Commandant Ghulam Shabbir Shah, speaking in Karachi recently, said that target killings are set to break all previous records in the province.
**Various shades of targets **
According to Shah, no target killings are reported in the province’s Pashtun-dominated areas, including Musakhel, Zhob, Loralai, Ziarat, Pishin, Harnai and Sibi.
The claim was confirmed by Pakhtunkhwa Awami Milli Party’s senior leader Abdul Rahim Khan Mandokhel but, he said, Pakhtun Baloch have been targeted in two or three cases. “Some unsuccessful attempts have been made to create a wedge between the Pakhtuns and Baloch,” he said.
Most target killing and terrorism incidents are reported in the districts of Quetta, Mastung, Bolan, Noshki, Kalat, Khuzdar, Kech, Gwadar, Lasbela and Panjgur. Four types of target killings are reported in Balochistan: Attacks on people who have settled in the province, assassinations of policemen and Frontier Corps (FC) personnel, sectarian killings and murders of political workers.
Settlers
Settlers in Balochistan are numbered at least 461,328 and mostly comprise Punjabis, Seraikis and Urdu-speaking people. According to police statistics, based on inquiry and FIRs, at least 180 settlers have been shot dead between 2009 and March 2011.
Officials admit that investigations into most target killings of settlers remain unsolved.
“There is a joke in the province that if you want authorities to stop pursuing a murder case, have it claimed by one of the many rebel groups operating in Balochistan,” says National Party Vice-President Hasil Bizenjo.
One such case is that of University of Balochistan’s Professor Nazima Talib whose first death anniversary approaches on April 27.
“These cases are difficult to crack because Baloch people sympathise with rebel groups and, despite knowing who the murderers are, choose to remain quiet,” says Shah.
Security personnel
At least 120 policemen and 66 FC personnel have been killed between 2009 and March 2011.
Shah says that despite clear evidence that police have suffered more, there is a severe lack of resources. “It is very easy to blame civilian institutions for failing to curb crime. But the truth is we don’t have the resources to even fight petty dacoits who have more sophisticated arms and equipment,” he said. On the other hand, FC and army units even get food rations for troops.
Sectarian
Sectarian killings have been mostly targeted against Hazara Shias, who came to Balochistan decades ago from Afghanistan and Iran. Police and counter-terrorism officials say that anti-Shia militant groups such as Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ) are active in Balochistan.
But Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-Fazl’s (JUI-F) Secretary-General Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri, who hails from Kalat, says he doesn’t know if the SSP or LeJ are involved. “Experience shows that the state and intelligence agencies are the ones behind groups that instigate sectarian violence and ethnic strife,” he said.
Political
Political party workers allege that they are being targeted not only by the state but by rebels as well.
Bizenjo, whose party has lost three senior leaders, says the heavily-armed rebels are against nationalists because “they say that you talk about federation when we are here up in the mountains waging a battle against the state.”
Balochistan National Party-Mengal’s (BNP-M) Dr Jehanzaib Jamaldini says the party lost one of their best leaders Habib Jalib last year in a target killing. “All evidence points to state elements being behind the murder,” he said.
Hundreds of Baloch men, including political workers, have gone missing in the province.
Bizenjo believes Balochistan’s security situation is interconnected with Fata and Afghanistan and violence is bound to continue unless things improve there. “Until it is decided that nowhere in the country will anyone be allowed to hold a gun, the state will not be able to establish its writ and target killings will continue,” he said.
Haideri says the government should either accept failure and step down or admit that it is involved in target killings in the province.
Published in The Express Tribune, April 24[SUP]th[/SUP], 2011.
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Migration from Afghanistan to Balochistan?
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over all baloch are secular and liberal they follow sufi Islam and baloch are not anti-shia at all , Saudi Arabia funded mullas have brainwashed some baloch and afghani refugees in quetta and chagai and using them against shias Saudi arab is funding them they want to talibanize balochistan they want to promote their version of islam the salafi extremist version
What is the percentage of such refugees funded by Saudis in Balochistan. I mean are they in sizable number that can influence liberal and secular culture of majority population?
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haaw hai… so blame should always be on third hand / outsiders. If there are agencies involved, they might get help from local population. We never heard other sects actively standing up against such atrocities, though, we can here loudspeakers of masajid uttering hate speech against other sects. Now, let me know who is on mimber to chant hateful slogans?
Hindu minorities are subject to persecution in some parts of rural Sindh. should I say that there is an involvement of foreign agencies in it? There is bonded labor and private jails by feudals in Sindh. These feudals might be working on some international political agenda. See, I’m getting mature 
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so basically its ethnic division, which turned to sectarian conflict?
But I can understand the point if the conflict is only with Hazara living in Quetta and other parts of Balochistan, what about Zaireen who also travel from Sindh and got killed on their way in Balochistan?
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bat yah hey :cobra:
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پاکستان کو دشمن کی تلاش ہے، ہم اپنا دشمن کھوچکے ہیں، ہرسانحے اورہردھماکے کی طرح واہگہ بارڈر دھماکے نے بھی قوم کی اس محرومی کو واضح کردیا ہے کہ اب ہمیں اپنے دشمن کاتعین کرنا ہوگا
واہگہ بارڈر دھماکے کے حوالے سے ہم نے جنداللہ سے لے کر تحریک طالبان پاکستان اور پھر امریکا، افغانستان اور ایران تک سوراگ الاپے ۔۔ جتنے منہ تھے،اتنی باتیں ہوئیں مگر ہم اس دفعہ بھی دشمن کے معاملے پر متفق نہیں ہوسکے
پاکستان میں دشمن کاتعین دوست کے تعین سے بڑامسئلہ ہے ، اگر بھارت کو کسی دھماکے کا مورد الزام ٹہرایا جائے تو یہ امن کی آشاکے خلاف ہے، امن کی آشاکو چھوڑیئے، سب سے بڑامسئلہ تو ہمارے گھرمیں موجود بھارت ہے، اسٹارپلس دیکھنےوالے کیسے بھارت سے نفرت کرسکتے ہیں
اگرایران کو دشمن ٹہرایا جائے تو یہ بات فرقہ واریت کے ضمن میں شمارہوتی ہے، افغانستان اور امریکا کو دشمن گردانا جائے تو اپنی صفوں میں دشمن تلاش کرنے پر زوردینے والے ماہرین سیخ پا ہوجاتے ہیں
چلیں بھئی اگر اپنی کمیں گاہوں میں جھانک کر دشمن کی تعین کی کوشش کی جائے تو مظلومین کی ایک فوج سے واسطہ پڑتا ہے جس کا کہناہے کہ وہ تو پہلے ہی ظلم کا شکارہیں
واہگہ بارڈر دھماکے کے ساتھ بھی کچھ ایسا ہی ہوا، دشمن کے تعین میں ہم کچھ ایسے الجھ گئے کہ سانحے سے بڑاسانحہ ہوگیا، کچھ لوگوں نے تو اس دھماکے کوخود پاکستانی ایجنسیوں کا کارنامہ قراردے دیا، کچھ سیاسی دل جلوں کاکہناتھاکہ یہ نوازشریف کی سازش ہے تاکہ دھرنوں پر سے عوام کی توجہ ہٹائی جائے
دشمن کے تعین کے معاملے میں ہماراریاستی رویہ بھی عجیب ساہے، ہمارے یہاں پہلے ایک تحقیقاتی کمیٹی بنتی ہے، پھر سالوں اس معاملے پر تفتیش ہوتی ہے،جب تک ذمہ داران کاتعین ہوتاہے، اس وقت تک نیادھماکا ہوجاتاہے اور ہم یونہی ایک دھماکے سے دوسرے دھماکے تک الجھے رہتے ہیں
اگریہی صورت حال بھارت میں ہوتووہاں معاملہ بالکل الٹ ہے، وہاں بادل بھی زورسے گرجیں تواسے پاکستان کی سازش قراردے دیا جاتاہے ، اگر وہاں کوئی دھماکا ہوجائے تو اگلے لمحے ہی پروپیگنڈہ شروع ہوجاتاہے کہ اس دھماکے میں پاکستان ملوث ہے
بھارت نے اپنے دشمن کاتعین کیاہوا ہےاور اسی وجہ سے اس نے طبقات، نسلوں اور زبانوں پر تقسیم قوم کو متحد کیاہوا ہے مگر پاکستان ابھی تک دشمن کی تلاش میں ہے
زندہ قوموں کے لیے جتنے اہم دوست ہیں، اتناہی اہم دشمن کا وجود بھی ہے، یہ دشمن سے نفرت ہی ہے جو قوم کو ایک لڑی میں پروکررکھتی ہے، پاکستان کو ایک متفقہ دشمن کی ضرورت ہے
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Re: What are the reasons behind Shia Genocide in Balochistan?
Shia Hazara, Pashtuns, Punjabis and so on.. No one is really safe in Balochistan. Strange enough, the Zikris (an Islamic sect in Balochistan, who are considered to be infidels like Ahmadis) aren't targeted by anyone. Hmmm...
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This is an informative article on some social aspects leading to isolation of Shia Hazara in Queeta:
Hazara woes | TNS - The News on Sunday
The lack of contact with Baloch and Pashtun communities makes the Hazaras vulnerable to social isolation. While the Baloch and Pashtuns are Sunni, the Hazaras are Shia. Rarely do contacts cut across sectarian lines. In Quetta, Hazara town and Marriabad are almost exclusively Hazara populated localities. Only in the cantonment do Hazaras have either Pashtun or Baloch neighbours. Field visits aside, this is all the more obvious from the friend lists of social networking websites such as Facebook.
The spike in violence has further dwindled avenues for communities to socialise with one another. Worse, the communication gap is only widening. Cross ethnic and sectarian contacts were more common among the old generations than is the case with new generations. Before the intense bout of sectarian strife since 2003, Hazaras had a number of business outlets in various parts of Quetta city. Now their businesses are confined to Hazara town and Marriabad.
