What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

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I simply like to copy and paste my post I posted in Feedback forum for you:

I accept you as a TRUE lover of Mirza saab because you even talk like him… Almost exact same Language of nabi. see below for some examples:

Mannerism of Mirza saab
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[li]“My enemies are dirty swine and their women are more wretched than b.itche.s”[/li][LIST]
[li](Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 14, P. 53; Najmul Huda, P. 10, 53)[/li][/ul]
[li]“All Muslims regard my books with reverence and care and benefit from their sublime thoughts except those who are the offspring of prostitutes (b.astard.s); God has put a seal upon their hearts and they do not accept me.”[/li][ul]
[li](Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 5, Page 547-548; Mirat-o-Kamalat-i-Islam, P. 547[/li][li]Aeena-e-Kamalat Islam, P.547-548)[/li][/ul]
[li]“Are they prepared to swear? No, they’ll never do so because they are liars and are derooting the corpse of falsehood like dogs.”[/li][ul]
[li](Supplement to Anjam-e-Atham, P. 25; Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 309)[/li][/ul]
[li]“I look a sinful man among debauched who is more scoundrel and an execrated being like Satan… He who is called Saadullah by the ignorant is slanderer, wicked and a falsifier… You injured me, b.astar.d. I won’t be truthful if you won’t have a disgraceful death.” [/li][ul]
[li][COLOR=black](Haqiqat-ul Wahi, P. 14-15; Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P.. 734-735) [/COLOR][/li][/ul]
[li]“If Abdullah Athum is saved from death (as per Mirza’s prophecy) and if all the world say the Christian was correct, then the ******* will not follow the right path.”[/li][ul]
[li](Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 32)[/li][/ul]
[li]“Abdul Haq is not content with our victories. He is itching to become a b.astar.d.”[/li][ul]
[li](Anwar-ul-Islam, P. 30)[/li][/ul]
[li]“There is nothing more foul than a pig in the world. But the ulema who oppose me are more foul than pigs.”[/li][ul]
[li](Anjam-i-Atham, P. 21)[/li][/ul]
[li]“You have inflicted pain on me with your foulness. You are not truthful. I pray that you die in shame, you son of a harlot.”[/li][ul]
[li](Anjam-i-Atham, P. 288)[/li][/ul]
[li]“This b.astar.d of a doctor does not thread the straight path.”[/li][ul]
[li](Anwar-ul-Islam, P. 30)[/li][/ul]
[li]He called Shaikhul Islam Saanaullah of Amristar: [/li]

“O, the son of wind, o traitor…”
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[li](Ijaz-i-Ahmadi, P. 43/77)[/li][/ul]
[/LIST]Keep it up Bigboi AKA NUMB…lol

RC

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Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

^^aapki sab allegations ka jawaab mille ga aap tension na lain...koi jaldi nahin...pehle aik ko to nibtaa lien.

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Salam my brother in Islam.

This isn’t a copy and paste of YOUR post to be exact. It’s a direct copy and paste of one liners from a site called “irshad.org”. It’s even listed in the same manner. LOL Should I assume that you actually didn’t read any of these books yourself?

Go to any anti-islamic website and you’ll see so many one liners from the holy Qur’an which are taken out of context and make Islam seem like a barbaric religion, which it’s truly NOT. You and your fellows are using similar methods. What a shame.

764

Apology accepted

As a worthless slave of Allah, I believe Allah never said that Hazrat ISA (AS) was his son (Ista'aara ke maanaon mien ya haqeeqat kay maanaon mein) and as a believer of Hazrat ISA's (AS) prophecy, I believe he (AS) never said that he is a son of Allah (Ista'aara ke maanaon mien ya haqeeqat kay maanaon mein)... PERIOD. Now what christian believe is irrelevant to me as a Muslim.

The whole discussion is based and starts with Prophet Mohammad (SA, PBUH) and Allah's message.

Allah taa'lah never used this 'Ista'aara' for his most beloved creation, the greatest of greatest Prophet Mohammad but he used it for Mirza saab?

So in other words you are saying (as Mirza saab professed) that Mirza saab was nearer and dearer to Allah then Prophet Mohammad and Mirza saab has higher place then Prophet Mohammad? isn't that what you are saying ?

I want a straight yes no answer to this question don't answer with a question or lengthy examples...

RC

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Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

Did you read following part of my post:

Abb issi tarah ki aap agar kuch misaalien dekhien:

jese Khaawand majaazi khuda hota hai…ke uski sifaat khuda ki tarah hian.
Sheesha jab dekhte hian to uska aks nazar aata hai haqeeqat nahin.

jabb aik shaks khudd keh raha hai ke Khuda ka koi beta nahin orr apne ilhaam ki tashreeh karte hue kehta hai ke Qabeel e Majaaz or Isa’aara ke maanon mien beta kaha hai to aap kyoon ba’zid hian usse Khuda ka beta banaane mien.

phir Quran Majeed khud kehta hai ke:

“Fazkurullaha kazikrikum abaaokum” ke Khuda ko isstarah yaad karo jese tum apne baapon ko yaad karte ho

Orr phir ilhaam mien anta waladi nahin Bimanzilati waladi hai ye sarih torr pe khuda ke bete ki nafi karta hai.

I guess this should be more then enough to clear this allegation. However if you are still not convicne then put down your reasons and I will answer. May Allah guide us both on saraat e mustaqeem ameen.


I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR VIEWS ON *"Fazkurullaha kazikrikum abaaokum"

*Non Ahmadi Translation: 002.200  So when ye have accomplished your holy rites, celebrate the praises of  God, as ye used to celebrate the praises of your fathers,- yea, with far more heart and soul. There are men who say: "Our Lord! Give us (Thy bounties) in this world!" but they will have no portion in the Hereafter. 
Source: [The Holy Quran - English Translation -Islam: The Eternal Path to Peace](http://www.jannah.org/qurantrans/quran2.html)

tum uss din kia karo gai jab yehi Quran aapke khilaaf gawaahi de ga?
766

You must have noticed that I usually ignore your baseless rubbish but this needs few seconds of my time.

And with this silly post, your point is ?

Who do you think did the research for that website ? I personally know Maulana Rafique sahib for past 25 years, the owner of that website.

But that's not even relevant, what's important is the contents or as you call it one liners... prove them wrong with knowledge if you have some.

I know it's hard at your level to comprehend all this but typing aimlessly off the topic wouldn't win you this conversation especially when there are people like me around.

Unless you have something productive to add to the discussion you don't exist for me from now on...

RC

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I requested you to give me a straight YES or NO answer without asking question. I will answer your question once you answer mine.

Here I make the same request.

"So in other words you are saying (as Mirza saab professed) that Mirza saab was nearer and dearer to Allah then Prophet Mohammad and Mirza saab has higher place then Prophet Mohammad? isn't that what you are saying ?

I want a straight yes no answer to this question don't answer with a question or lengthy examples..."

RC

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Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

You look mature but you are acting like children. Every Muslim knows that Prophet SAW is the most dearest to Allah. Now please explain your stand on Quranic verses presented.

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Even If you'd have known the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) personally, would that make you a better Muslim? Fact is that you didn't read any of those books on your own. You are posting the same allegations which have been posted about 20 times in this thread before.

I should prove something wrong with my knowledge, that you have posted without holding any knowledge? Subhan Allah

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I thought I present Tafseer of the Ayat as well so you dont have any ambugity left at all.

Recite VerseOpen in new windowGo to quran page
{ فَإِذَا قَضَيْتُمْ مَّنَاسِكَكُمْ فَٱذْكُرُواْ ٱللَّهَ كَذِكْرِكُمْ آبَآءَكُمْ أَوْ أَشَدَّ ذِكْراً فَمِنَ ٱلنَّاسِ مَن يَقُولُ رَبَّنَآ آتِنَا فِي ٱلدُّنْيَا وَمَا لَهُ فِي ٱلآخِرَةِ مِنْ خَلاَقٍ](http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:Open_Menu%28%29) }

(And when ye have completed your devotions) upon finishing the rites of your pilgrimage, (then remember Allah) say: O Allah! (as ye remember your fathers) as you say: father! It is also said that this means: **remember Allah for the blessings He showered on you as you used to remember the kindness of your fathers **in the pre-Islamic era (or with a more lively remembrance) remember Him more than you used to remember your fathers. (But of mankind is he who saith) on the standing site: (“Our Lord! Give unto us in the world,) camels, cows, sheep, male and female slaves and wealth” (and he hath no portion in the Hereafter) of Paradise by performing the pilgrimage.

Source: Altafsir.com - The Tafsirs - ÇáÊÝÇÓíÑ

There is a clear indication as calling Allah as your father. Agar Allah ko koi aitraaz nahin agar koi usse apne baap ki tarah yaad karre to aapka sawaal ke Rasollulah SAW nien kabhi ye dawah nahin kia bilkul be bunyaad hai kyoonke Quran to aap SAW pe naazil hua…agar aap QURAN ki iss ayat ka inkaar karte hian to theek hai khul ke kahyye taake sab sunnien.

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Absolutely not. There is no person, living or dead, nor can there ever be, who's more exalted or has a higher status, or is dearer to Allah than Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

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Did I use a filthy language in my post? so crap means to you filthy lol
or do you say that me saying why did they run away from Pakistan is filthy?
or when they lick the Queens feet? is that filthy?

why don’t you simply answer my questions instead of avoiding them and presenting me again crap from a page we all know about. Is that all you have? The sad part is that you have dragged down my fellows to your disgusting level and now you try to beat 'em?

For what is d-tox…ed supposed to apologize? for what? You are the FIRST one to apologize, because you post nonsense. Again for you in BIG LETTERS

WHY DID NON-AHMADI PAKISTANI RUN AWAY FROM PAKISTAN TOWARDS ENGLAND?

**WHAT ARE THE TRUE MUSLIMS DOING IN ENGLAND? IN A COUNTRY WHICH SPONSORED DAJJAL AKA MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD? ARE YOU NOT SUPPOSED TO KILL THEM ALL???

CAN YOU ANSWER?

NO, ALL YOU DO IS COME UP WITH CRAP I KNOW FROM YOU SINCE WE MET. HAVE YOU SEEN THE WAY YOU TALK? AREN’T YOU CALLING US QADIANI? AREN’T YOU CALLING US KAFIR? YOU AND YOUR FELLOWS? AREN’T YOU? AREN’T YOU? I

HAZRAT MUHAMMAD MUSTAFA (saw) CALLED HIS ENEMIES PROGENY OF HELL. NOW COME AND TELL ME WHAT MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD SAID (AS).

CLOSE THAT THREAD!!!

WHEN I SAY CLOSE THREAD, I CALL IT FOR SANITY. NOT BECAUSE WE RUN AWAY LIKE YOU ALWAYS LIKE TO THINK/DREAM…keep on DREAMING, you dreamer…IT’s SIMPLY WASTE OF TIME TO DISCUSS WITH YOU. AND WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO WASTE TIME.
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Re: What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

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Its with great regret that i have to close the thread, and a couple of others who have completey gone off topic.

Feel free to open new ones and try to discuss eahc point in separate one
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