What are the fundamental beliefs of Ahmadis?

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Why there's no mention of coming of the another messenger like Mirza Sahib in Quran? And also I've never heard of a "complete muslim" or an "incomplete" muslim, what do you mean when you use this term???

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^^^ yea

lets even forget the QURAN just look at the main belief, the KALIMA of muslims which states

"LA ILAAHA ILLALA MOHHAMMAD AR RASUL ALLAH"

there is no god but ALLAH (SWT) and MOHAMMAD (PBUH) is the** LAST **messenger of ALLAH

so why would Islam contradict its MAIN belief???

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^The kalima itself doesn't state the word "Last" but its the muslim creed to believe in the finality of Prophet Muhammad[saw] and without this you can't become muslim.....but let leave this topic here for a while and listen to what deston has to say on his behalf.

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Another messenger is prophecised in Surah Al-Juma, first Ruku. And besides, when Holy Prophet (saw) has repeated mentioned the coming of Jesus (as) in latter days, he has used the word Prophet from him too.

Faith can be incomplete due to many reasons. For example a Hadith says

You will not enter paradise until you have faith; and you will not complete your faith till you love one another.

Muslim, Eimân, 93; Tirmizî, Sifâtu’l-Qiyâmah, 56.

So why should we consider your faith complete if your reject the one prophecized by Quran and Holy Prophet (saw)?

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thanks for your reply, i read the first rukuh but sorry to say couldn't find what i was looking for.

sure, we have a hadith telling us something important about our faith....i think the complete hadith goes like this "your faith cannot be completed until you like for your brother what you like for yourself".

And regarding Jesus[AS], that a different issue i think unless you're trying to say that mirza sahib is Jesus.

Timepass - March 2013
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The first Ruku speak of Aakhireen. Please look at the Hadith which explains these verses. The Holy Prophet (saw) himself has explained the verses. Maybe Ibne Kathir has mentioned that Hadith in his commentary. You can also look at the Ahmadiyya Tafaseer on Ahmadiyya Muslim Community - Al Islam Online - Official Website.

Jesus (as) passed away 2000 years ago. The prophecised Jesus is the same Imam Mahdi who has been mentioned in Ahadith. The name Jesus or son of Mary used in Ahadith refers to Muslim Messiah as Jesus (as) was the Messiah to the Jews.

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Wait a sec…we’ll talk about Isa(AS) and Imam Mahdi later.

The issue at hand is Mirza Sahib being mentioned in Quran as a messenger!!!

You said “Akhreen” is referring to Mirza, lets read the ayat again.

(2. He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger from among themselves, reciting to them His Ayat, purifying them, and teaching them the Book and the Hikmah. And verily, they had been before in manifest error.) (3. And others among them who have not yet joined them. And He is the Almighty, the All-Wise.)

According to you, Akhreen(others among them) is referring to Mirza Ghulam Ahmed.

So if I take Ahmadis translation (which I highly doubt is wrong but for the sake of getting to the conclusions)… "Mirza Ghulam Ahmed has not yet join them(the Umiyeen means Arabs here).

It doesn’t really make any sense. What does it mean that “Mirza Ghulam has not yet joined the Arabs”???

PS: Akhreen" means non-arabs and not mirza or a messenger.

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Hadhrat Abu Hurairah rz narrates “One day we were sitting with the
Holy Prophet (saw) when Surah Jumu’ah was revealed. I enquired from the
Holy Prophet, ‘Who are the people to whom the words, And among others of them
who have not yet joined them, refer.’ Salman, the Persian, was sitting among us.
Upon my repeatedly asking him the same question, the Holy Prophet (saw) put his hand on
Salman and said, ‘If Faith were to go up to the Pleiades, a man from these would, surely,
find it’” (Sahih Bukhari)

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What's your point???

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"A man" refers to Imam Mahdi. Combined with other ahadith, the translation of these verses clearly refer to a group of people "Aakhareen" who will revive faith. It is a matter of understanding with an unbiased mind.

Coming of Imam Mahdi and Son of Mary is an established orthodox belief. Can you tell me where in Quran it is mentioned?

Timepass - March 2013
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I think you need to watch following videos to get an understanding of what different titles of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (as) meant.




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i am being unbiased and trying to get to the point.

First of all, there's no mention of "reviving" faith in hadith or the ayah and secondly if "A mAN" here means imam mahdi then it means imam mahdi will be from Persia not India.

as for your question....its not mentioned in Quran but in many ahadith.

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When the hadith says "if the faith were to go to the stars", means a revival is needed. A man of persian originan will be that person. Mirza Sahib was from a Mughal family who migrated from Persia to India.

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why don't people simply type w w w . a l i s l a m . o r g

and read about the descendants of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as). About the History of Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat instead of asking, asking, asking. Everything has been mentioned clearly, but No it'S Website supported by the England and Israel! This is why we are not allowed to go to this site. We are even not supposed to think about it!

What are you trying hareem01, now being unbiased and sincere. What are you trying? You are trying nothing. You don't know anything about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) and wanna tell me you are trying to get the point?

You thought he was a pure Indian, but persian blood was running thru his veins.

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Simple, Ahmadis believe Messiah and Mehdi has arrived, rest are still waiting for him/them.

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yes you are right..ahmadys beleave that Messiah has arrieved,and non ahmadys are still waiting ...!!! That is the biggest differens between Ahmady & non Ahmadys..
Ahmadys has accepted Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, as Masseiah.

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where does it say that that man'd be a "messenger" or "nabi"????? A Person who revives is called mujadid not nabi. Mirza Ghulam didn't even know Quran by heart and he was supposed to revive the faith of millions of muslims, I can't believe this.

PS: Besides, this hadith refers to Imam Abu Hanifah and this has been established way before mirza's birth.

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Please view following clips with detailed discussion of above mentioned ayat to remove your confusion regarding this:





ps: The actual discussion regarding this starts at 4:40 minute of first clip.

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^The old man is not making any sense, this is what I find wrong with his arguments.

1] he started his reply with cursing the muslim scholars which is very rude of him and very ill-mannered.

2] his makhrij is very wrong and he's supposed to be the khalif.

3] he mistranslated the word "umyeen", the correct meaning of the word "umyeen" here in this ayah is "gentile" or "unlettered ones".....those people who never received "devine scriptures" before. please refer to this:

The best classical Arabic work ever published in the line of lexicons and dictionaries like “Al-Mufradat fi-Gharib al-Quran“, “Lisan al-Arab“, “Taj al-Arus min Jawahir al Qamus” and “The Arabic English lexicon by Edward W Lane”, word Ummi means “Arab who have no revealed scripture of his own“. In Quran the word refers to people who have not received a Revelation before and are not part of the Jewish people.

4] mirza Tahir translated word "ummi" as "Jahil" when we all know there's a huge difference between Uneducated (ummi) and Ignorant(jahil)

5] Mirza Tahir called Prophet Muhammad(SAW) jahil(audhubillah).....he said "he (Prophet) used to be jahil but now those days are past". Now in the ayah the "they had been in menifest error" refers to the people not the Prophet(SAW) because Prophet Muhammad(SAW) was never an idol worshipper nor a bad person and also because of the grammar of the sentence.

]6] This is how Mirza Tahir translated the ayah#3 "unn kay Aakhreen main bhi maabus farmaya" when the original translation goes like this "And others among them who have not yet joined them..."
Quite different to his translation.

The previous ayat talk about "Umyeen"(gentile or non-israelits) who were in menifest error until God sent Prophet Muhammad(SAW) to them and to those Aakhreen(non-Arabs or Persians) who have not yet join them.

Mirza Tahir is twisting the ayah to show somehow that "who have not yet joined them" means another Prophet when its clear that "(who)Persians or non Arabs have not yet joined them(the arabs) in faith".

Now please, also look at the meaning of Prophet and messenger.

In terms of sacred law the difference between a Prophet and Messenger is a Prophet backs up the previous message and a Messenger brings a new law.

This is also one of the facts of a messenger/ prophet that they confirm the previous prophet/ Messenger. Prophethood was passed from father to son, father to son, father to son.

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question: why do you guys keep replying to hareem?

second question: why do you guys keep having a debate everytime someone comes in one of these threads and starts repeating stuff thats been debated to death already?