Ghadaari ki saza maut hai. I dont know to believe you or Dr.Zakir Naik on this matter. Ghadaari ki saza maut is what i heard many islamic school of thoughts saying, including dr.zakir Naik. ( will post the video if i find it again on youtube, but trust me when i say, thats what he said ). Infact, the very reason ahmadis are considered waajibul qatl, is for this reason. They believe that we do ghadaari with deen. Hence, killing us is Islamic. If Ghadaari has nothing to do with Islam, why then are ahmadis declared waajibul qatl? Explain
Now there are two terms, One is Ghaddari and other is Irta'daad.. the term is normally used for some one who have betrayed his country, Mir Sadiq and Mir Jafar are well-known for this, they alligned with the enemies of Bengalies and Maisoor and betrayed Nawab Siraj-ud-Doula and Sultan Fateh Ali Tipu. The minimum punishment for this crime is an EXILE.. None to do with the basic Islamic hadood/had.
Coming to the second term, Irta'daad, technically means refuting one's religion, in Islam it means, denouncing Islam and its teaching.. one can have different interpretation for this, but the basic remains the same, denoucing the religion. I guess this is the term we want to be discussing and not Ghaddari as it has some different interpretation.
Now Islam have givent he death penalities in following cases only:
1) Commit a Murder
2) Married and commit adultary, should be stoned to death ( from Hadees)
3) Irta'adad and then help enemies of Islam or declare war on Islam
And like above two, there is a possibility that the person commiting crime # 3, should not be killed, rather his properties shall be seized and he should be sent to exile.
Islam is not a religion of killing for the sake of killing and any one claiming so, cannot back his claims from Quran and Hadees nor from many hisototic events. To make things more clearer, One should re-call the example of Talha bin Kholeed, this guy claimed to be the prophet after the death of Prophet Mohammad (SAAW), but when he saw what happend to Muslima & Co, he ran away in hidding, later he accepted Islam again and fought along side the muslims Army.
So Killing a Ghaddar of Country is something different and killing some body who just have changed his/her religion and is not involved in helping the enemies of Islam or have declared the war is not part of Islam, but for those consider that Mulla is Islam, then it is totally different case.
Now how muslims sees Ahmadiyat/Qadyaniyat..
To muslims, these are the very people who believes in Prophet who is not a prophet as per Islamic traditon and/or predictions, so these people are no longer muslim, they can believe what ever they want to, they have right to exist but if they found guilty for helping enemies of Islam and Pakistan they should be prosecuted accordingly and does not apply on Ahmadies/Qadyanies only, anyone, no matter he is muslim or not, found guilty of same crime shall be executed accordingly...as per the law of state...
As I asked you earlier. I have very little knowledge of the false prophets who came. And i asked you if you could enlighten me with that. On one post of yours, you claim khulfa e rashideen launched a campaign against them, and then on other post of yours.. you ask me why Prophet Muhammad PBUH didnt have a talk with them ? Are you sure you have knowledge on this subject? Was Prophet SAW alive when they claimed prophethood?
Earlier i tried to summarize my answers, that can be my lazyness and burden of home and office work, i'll try to answer this i detail here:
Muslima and Aswad clamied their prophethood in the life time of Prophet Mohammad (SAAW), Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) never launched a campaign against them, as at that time these people were not ( openly) busy is setting up and army against Muslims, nor they had huge support from the Arabs, but with the demise of Prophet Mohammad (SAAW), many of the Arab tribes refuse to pay Zakat, as they consider it a certain kind of tax and was hurting their ego and they wanted certain kind of liberty for their ways of life, which was certainly not possible in Islam. Now these people, joined Muslima and Sajaah, as these two so-called prophets in their shariah gave them what they wanted , with the help of these people, Muslima and Sajaah, raised a huge army.
Now the crime is completed and proved, they have refuted Islam and were in position to invade City of Madina. An Army was sent under Akrama bin Abu Jahal (RZA) which was defeated so an army another the leadership of Khaled Bin Waleed (RZA) was sent and Muslima was defeated and killed.
The point here is not the details of the war, but if any of these Prophets has been real!! or if there was to be a remote hint of any prophet after Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) then, The Prophet Mohammad (SAAW) would have confirmed their prophethood, would have said to Sahabas (RZA) to obey them, but we don't see any such movement in the book of ahadees and in Quran.
Why i say that Prophet Mohammad (SAAW), should have confirmed their prophethood, or the least is, like other Prophet prior to Prophet Mohammad (SAAW), should have predicted about a prophet to come, but we don't see anything of this sort in Quran or Sahi hadees.
I wanna know if you believe the coming of Jesus AS will not effect khatam e naboowat and if Jesus AS will come, will He AS, be considered a Prophet? Will His mission be to draw people's attention towards Islam? Will He AS be divinly guided ? Will he AS bring any new shariyat? and if accepting Him AS will make you kaafir in the eyes of other Muslims who won't accept Him AS? It's a serious question. I am here to learn, and so i believe you are too. I will not quote you anymore, as my intention now is to learn your perspective on this issue. Thanks.
Imam Mehdi and Return of Jesus (AS) is the back door or what is say is the thing which enabled lots of people for claiming the either of them or both of them.
For Imam Mehdi, I do say that, there will be a leader in coming times ( as you can see that the ground is being under preparation to wage a war against muslims) who will lead this muslim army. Islamic history is rich with warrior leaders, who have stoodfast against the non-muslim invaders and have defeated them, despite the opposition they have faced from the muslim world. Sultah Salahuddin Ayoubi and his campaigns against Crusaders, Sultan Bebris and his Campaigns against the Tatars & Crusaders are the part of Islamic History. Same would be repeated when the time'll come, here i talked in breif about Imam Mehdi because the Return of Jesus (AS) and Imam mehdi is strongly inter-connected.
Coming the Issue of Return of Jesus (AS), one thing we should note that, Jesus (AS) never had a Shariah in his time, He followed the same Shariah of Moses (AS), His miraculus birth and other miracle is their to bring the Jews back to Shariah of Moses (AS), but Jews were good in killing Prophets and setting up consipracies against them ( and at the same time they were waiting for some NIJAAT-DAHINDA, funny isn't it), So if the Jesus (AS) never had Shariah at that time, how came HE will have the same later?
Secondly as per Muslim believes, Bab-e-Nabowat & Wahi has been sealed, this is what their meaning of seal is, If Jesus (AS) returns back to earth, then HE shall be a reformer, who will follow the shairah-e-Mohammadi ( which is ofcourse the better version of Shariah-e-Mosawi), nothing more as the religon of Islam has been completed and their is no body who add or remove anything from it.
Talking about my belief on Jesus (AS) is no different what Quran has to say about it.. and i believe that it will not harm my iman if i continously carry out the believe i already have stated above.
As for the hadith, I will Inshallah present that to you if i came across it. I unlike others do not simply copy/paste stuff here but talk with what ever I know. Im quite sure i have read that hadith. Will provide it if i came across it.
No worries, take all the time you need!!!
] No more quoting you from my side. My intention now is to know your beliefs regarding Esa AS. Please answer the questions I asked in this post regarding Esa AS. Thanks.
I have answered it above!!!
me on the other hand, would like to discuss the Knowledge and the source of Knowledge of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyani...