worth reading Problem for Qadianis – Is Quran lying or Ghulam by Ebrahim Saifuddin 1. Qadianis believe that Jesus (pbuh) did not die on the cross and was unconscious when he was brought down from it. They say he was nursed back to health and then traveled to Kashmir,lived there till the age of 120and then died there. 2. According to Ghulam Ahmad, Paul was the one who introduced the concept of Trinity and Divinity in “Christianity” after the death of Jesus (pbuh). (Qadianis please ask for the quotes and I will give them to you) 3. Paul died somewhere around 64-67 AD. The dates vary from source to source but they lie within this range i.e. they do not exceed 67 AD. Nevertheless this is about a maximum of 35-40 years (lets be generous) after the incident of “crucifixion”. The problem for Qadianis
If Paul died, lets say, 40 years after the incident of crucifixion, then Jesus (pbuh), according to Ghulam Ahmad’s given information, had to be alive at that point in time. Therefore: How could Paul introduce “trinity” and “divinity” AFTER the death of Jesus? Jesus was NOT above 80 (or 90 depending on when Paul started preaching) years old when the incident of crucifixion took place.Therefore either Ghulam Ahmad is lying that Paul introduced these claims OR he is lying that Jesus lived till 120 years.Whichever way, it proves Ghulam Ahmad knew nothing and just made up stories. Pick up a qadiani translation of the Quran and read Surah Maida (5), Verse 117-118. I will use the translation that is available from their official website: “And when Allah will say, ‘O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, ‘Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?’ he will answer, ‘Holy art THOU, I could never say that which I had no right. If I had said it, Thou wouldst have surely known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. It is Thou alone Who art the Knower of all hidden things; ‘I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me - Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou, hast been the Watcher over them, and Thou art Witness over all things;
Note: Because the qadianis add “bismillah” as verse no. 1 in the Quran therefore it is 5:117-118, otherwise it would be 5:116-117 This verse, as confirmed by Ghulam Ahmad, states that thepeople went astray AFTER the death of Jesus. Therefore: a) If Jesus was alive till 120 AD, and the corruption was already brought in by Paul before 67 AD (max), thenis Ghulam Ahmad saying that the Quran lies when it refers to corruption being spread AFTER the death of Jesus? b) On the other hand, as Ghulam Ahmad states that Jesus died in 120 AD and on the other hand also states that the Quran is correct as well in stating that it was after the death of Jesus that the corruption spread, thereforeshould we then believe that Ghulam Ahmad was LYING when he said Paul brought in the corruption??? Can anyone not see? Ghulam Ahmad is fighting a losing battle.His claims are CONTRADICTORY.
If a person chooses to follow the claim that Jesus died in 120 AD and Paul introduced “trinity” and “divinity” THEN the person has to believe that the Quran is LYING. NEVER WOULD A MUSLIM EVER BELIEVE THAT If a person chooses to follow the claim that Jesus died in 120 AD and the Quran is also correct to imply that corruption was brought in after the death of Jesus, THEN the person HAS to believe that Ghulam Ahmad was a liar.
how this guy tries to confuse the people. This whole post makes no sense to me. Has Paul any connection with Isa'a (as) death? What do you want to say?
You make no sense at all! I do not understand that! Isa (as) was death for them so he could introduce Trinity and Divinity in the Christian faith!
am I dumb or am I the only finding no sense in this crap at all?