What are our law enforcement agencies doing?

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Why is our govt spending funds maintaining the law enforcement agencies when they are so useless? They can’t stop cars from being stolen, houses from being robbed, mods from rioting, blasts from happenning every single day…

they seem to ne totally ineffective

WHAT DO THEY DO? except for taking bribes? maybe they stop one out of ten incidents. shouldn’t their success rate be higher?

some honest people among them get killed for nothing. like the two policement who passed away in the blast today.

i think we should get rid of the police and enforce army rule.

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I agree, only the army can prevent this bloodshed taking place right now...

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Spock, true...

do u know that when they were taking the juloos for the janazay of the shias who were killed in the imam bargah blast...police was providing protexion to the juloos...and then at one point the police said, "we cant go any further" coz this is a no go MQM area...

!!!!!

what kinda weird attitude is this? i mean, what are you the POLICE for???

totally, the police is completely useless, we need army rule

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*Originally posted by irem: *
Spock, true...

do u know that when they were taking the juloos for the janazay of the shias who were killed in the imam bargah blast...police was providing protexion to the juloos...and then at one point the police said, "we cant go any further" coz this is a no go MQM area...

!!!!!

what kinda weird attitude is this? i mean, what are you the POLICE for???

totally, the police is completely useless, we need army rule
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Right, and most of the time these police wallaz say they cant risk their lives over low wages.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by irem: *
"we cant go any further" coz this is a no go MQM area...

!!!!!

what kinda weird attitude is this? i mean, what are you the POLICE for???

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The police's role is fight crime, not wage urban warfare. They aren't suited for establishing authority over such "no-go" areas, they don't have the firepower needed.

Pakistan's government doesn't want to send in the forces that have the required firepower to bring it under control, because that would lead to too much "collateral damage", ie dead Pakistani men, woman and children.

These no-go areas can ony be treated through a slow, long-tern programme of slowly breaking the power of the MQM through political means.

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i am a peaceful citizen

im paying my taxes and im abiding by the laws

the govt’s job is to provide me security and maintain law and order

dont give me excuses and dont give me these hollow explanations. i wana see action from the govt. gime results. atleast show me some progress, some difference.

NZ’s govt did an operation cleanup with gen babar. there was collateral damage. not jus police but army and rangers were involved. but in the end it dint solve anything. khi remains where it was. even worse today.

how long will it take the govt to solve these issues? the public wants these issues solved at all costs. we want PEACE. thats all we want.

innocent ppl are getting killed every single day. the govt seems to be just sleeping. theres no progress.

i can understand why those angry mobs go and burn petrol stations and banks. i can feel their anger. their helplesness. their frustration.

alhamdulillah i havent even sufferred any personal loss. Allah ka laakh laakh shukar hae. but what abt the people who did? how do u think they feel? they r sufferring and there’s no respite. the govt is just not responding. how r they going to react?

ARGH…i hate this :crying:

Allah Rehm karay

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So what specifically do you think the government could do that it has not done?

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how am i sposed to know the answer to that :confused:

i dont know whats going on but shudnt the govt be knowing? isnt it responsible for finding out the causes for all this and eliminating those causes? isnt it not doing its job with efficieny if it doesnt? enough time has passed already for the govt to figure things out.

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most comedy thingy is police has been involved in these attacks..yes police....atatcks on hyderi imam bargah was done by a young police man.....some of the police guys on r on the back of these terriost...its time for musharraf to do something for his country not for america....he must stop barking for terriost and extremism...1 look wht his own people problem...wht is the root cause of all these...infact i stronlgy beleive mossad or any american agency have been involved in these attackks....musharraf knows 1 thing terriosm teriosm and thts all......there is only 1 way to stop attacks and tht is making secret agencies stronger...i dont think so even army can be more successfull....pakistan must have to look for mossad and ra agents...hey r between us....really become sick of firing blasts in karachi...and govenment has yet not taken any stop wht so eva....huh....they can do needless operation in WANA...but cannot do anything to pakis...oh man i have given to hate musharraf for his poor policies....and abt no go areas,it is a joke...there is no such areas in karavhi right now...thts all fake

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sigh

i just feel sooooooooo :mad:

sooooooooooo :crying:

:frowning:

bas Allah Rehm karay

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Irem first of all we do have army rule. This is not democracy, it is army rule under the guise of democracy. Secondly army rule cannot solve the problem, neither can the police. The problem and solution lies elsewhere. To me the problem can only be solved by upholding the rule of law and to do that we need to establish an independent judiciary. Without an independent and honest judiciary the rule of law cannot be enforced and until such time this can be acheived nothing will improve. So the question arises who can establish the independent judicary and rule of law? The governement and parliament. and they won't do it because it is NOT in their interest. Musharraf and the government need a corrupt and subservient judiciary to perpetuate their rule. That is the tragedy of Pakistan. As for the law enforcement agencies they are there not to serve and protect the masses but to intimidate government opponents.

Start with an independent judiciary and the rest will follow. Till then dream on, nothing will happen.

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Well said Ehsan Bhai,

Here is an article that will throw some light on the issue being discussed.

Its a very long article so I am just going to post the link, if it is against the rules of GS please delete the post.

regards,

Aejaz.

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Ehsan bhai you do have a point there about the need for an independent judiciary.

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With the attack on Corps Commander's motorcade today, its high time the Army takes control of the city. We cant wait for any longterm political solution, the violence is happening now and people are being killed now. The people of Karachi are living in fear.

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Irem,
definitely Army rule is the ONLY option thats left and it is the only option that will actually work. we NEED the army!!! we cant feel safe until we have the regular army on the streets ASAP. i cant understand why the highups dont get ther gravity of the situations here, why dont they for once let the corp commander take charge, it will take only a few hours to install curfews and seize all areas. its aboout time Mush does something, cause all else has failed.

and ehsan,
sir, we were actually talking military walking around in streets and protecting ppl and not how a well run judiciary or civil law would chanmge everything. repeated claims that this is a military regime etc are kind of soggy now. we have a PM; that he's a puppet is another issue but we have a running parliament; that it does nothing other than create problems for the govt is also another issue created by non otrher than the civilina hopefuls to the throne. yes, the pres is a soldier, but, this is NOT a martial law per se. martial law is when there is no parliament, no press freedom, no political activity and soldiers on every street. is any of that happening here? the soldiers ARE in the barracks as you and those thinking like you want them to be, but because the civil depts and other depts under the civil govt that you advocate, police included have been able to do no good, hence once aggain we need full throttle army rule asap! if not all over Pak then atleast in karachi.
and anyway, curfew or giving the local law and order to the army isnt the same as having fill fledged army rule. in the past during civilian govts too, many times diff cities due to problems were given under the army.
and, the issue of the judiciary and all, well, if only all had been perfect! but, are we willing to take a look at the reasons why no depts run well, why the judiciary isnt independent. the reasons were occurences from long before Mush became allpowerful. was the judiciary ever independent ? so blaming him is no use.

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Re: What are our law enforcement agencies doing?

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Originally posted by irem: *
Why is our govt spending funds maintaining the law enforcement agencies when they are so useless? They can't stop .... **mods* from rioting....
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We're not that bad are we?

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^ the soldiers are inept because there is no accountability. Their soft handed approach in WANA has resulted in emboldened attacks in Karachi. Just yesterday, another ofensive there. Only to have 6 soldiers dead. Musharraf bitched out against fundamentalists because of his thirst for power, not because of what is good for pakistan. In a country where his rule is the supreme law of the land, all accountability rolls up to him and pussyfooting around, offerig garlands to terrorists hiding in the country only makes places like Karachi, a vibrant business and multicultural city, a hotbed of death and destruction.

No one likes mushy more than me...but he is wrong in the way he has handled this. After June watch the US turn the screws a bit more.

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Folks,

A thought just popped in my head.

I may be completely off track here, and if you feel so, just ignore it.

Politics is a dirty game (More of a dirty business) nowadays

It has been done by most politicians of the world, they will create issues just to mislead the people, has happened in India, In Israel, in USA, in Pakistan, in UK, just to name a few, I cant mention any particular incidents off hand, but if someone requests may be I can do some research and post here, otherwise every one knows what I am talking about here.

Is it not possible, that the Ruling Party (Read ARMY), is it self creating this problems, just so people will start condemning democracy and demand Military Rule.

In that case guess who will have the pie and be able to eat it too.

or guess who will kill 2 birds with one stone.

What do you folks think???

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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *

The police's role is fight crime, not wage urban warfare. They aren't suited for establishing authority over such "no-go" areas, they don't have the firepower needed.

Pakistan's government doesn't want to send in the forces that have the required firepower to bring it under control, because that would lead to too much "collateral damage", ie dead Pakistani men, woman and children.

These no-go areas can ony be treated through a slow, long-tern programme of slowly breaking the power of the MQM through political means.
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very true, Maddy.
Irem, police are good for nothing. You have to see the whole picture and analyze that in a given context. Do you know what a police man's salary is ????

I believe Mussharaf has been too soft on the hardliners and given them too much leverage. There are remanants of Al-Qaida and Taliban still in Pakistan. There is a need to root them out...this policy of going soft on them and yet waging a war on terrorism doesnt make any sense....

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Aejaz: *
Folks,

A thought just popped in my head.

I may be completely off track here, and if you feel so, just ignore it.

Politics is a dirty game (More of a dirty business) nowadays

It has been done by most politicians of the world, they will create issues just to mislead the people, has happened in India, In Israel, in USA, in Pakistan, in UK, just to name a few, I cant mention any particular incidents off hand, but if someone requests may be I can do some research and post here, otherwise every one knows what I am talking about here.

Is it not possible, that the Ruling Party (Read ARMY), is it self creating this problems, just so people will start condemning democracy and demand Military Rule.

In that case guess who will have the pie and be able to eat it too.

or guess who will kill 2 birds with one stone.

What do you folks think???
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well, it could be, the thought isnt that wild after all, but had it been NS or BB it would have been more imaginable, with the Army, i dont think so. they are NOT bad ppl and they are NOT in power to rule as tyrants for eternity, they remain in power for our own good, spend their lives protecting us civilians, so why would they kill so may innocent ppl...? what do they gain personally from such conspiracies? a few yrs of power and then? if they needed power to build up bank acs, they would have done so already as 4 yrs is a long time for such stuff (isolated examples exceptions). so i really dont think its the army.