What are our law enforcement agencies doing?

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Re: What are our law enforcement agencies doing?

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*Originally posted by irem: *
Why is our govt spending funds maintaining the law enforcement agencies when they are so useless? They can't stop cars from being stolen, houses from being robbed, mods from rioting, blasts from happenning every single day...

they seem to ne totally ineffective

WHAT DO THEY DO? except for taking bribes? maybe they stop one out of ten incidents. shouldn't their success rate be higher?

some honest people among them get killed for nothing. like the two policement who passed away in the blast today.

i think we should get rid of the police and enforce army rule.
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Its a complex scenario irem. Not so simple as it is seen to the naked eyes. Number one, I do not agree with your views that 'Army Rule' has any answer to this problem. Infact it is the 'Army Rule' that is behind the problem itself. Did you read Dawn today? Nek Muhammad of WANA commenting on yesterdays' killing of some 20 Militants in WANA warned that " the reaction would be seen in Peshawar, Islamabad and Karachi" Now correct me if I am wrong, common sense points out at the involvement of these tribal chiefs behind today's attack on the Sahab of 5 Corps!
Coming back to tribal chiefs supporting so called Militants whom US disdains, who doesnt know how these Tribals were brought to the battle field? Afhgan War, if you could follow the events since 1979, was fought by US as a proxy involving Pakistani infrastructure. Wars, proxy or direct are fought by people and they are trained to carry out a successful onslaught against the enemy. Pakistan Army at that time unilaterally decided to side with US and help train guerillas to fight for US. These Uzbeks and Arabs whom US calls terrorists were breed by the same hands which want to kill them! Let me remind you that no one decides to die without any cause. US incited religious feelings amongst these very people to check USSR and they emraced the opportunity to serve their faith. Besides protecting a fellow Muslim is a religious duty and hence they were there. Now the same people being discarded like a used tissue paper are unwanted. People can understand US demand to eradicate them but what people want to know why is this that a Muslim Army of Pakistan is going all ahead without any explanation to the people that their earlier step of arming these people was wrong! Have the Army apologized to the nation? An elected government installed through a legitimate and transparent process would have never helped US in 1979. Its the Army who has been screwing around the security of this country. Creation of MQM goes to Army's credit!
Number two. Your demand for the protection of common peoples' life and property is genuine. Yes we pay taxes for these basic needs. I agree that system has failed to a worse degree. Expecting the state to provide you security is out of question for the time being. As some one pointed out that Army is above the accountability, we can not ask for our basic needs from the rulers whom no law can make accountable! We need to rid them off. How? Sighz!
PS:- I narrowly survived todays firing. Leaving a minute early from my home would have put me in the danger spot right away. Three of my senior colleagues' cars got badly damaged in the incident. They were unhurt. I can still remember a bleeding woman who was hit with a bullet coming out of her car. I saw two corpses in the black Jeep!
Ya Allah hum par raham farma aur hamein Apnee hifz o amaan mein rakh.

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*Originally posted by Haris Zuberi: *

and, the issue of the judiciary and all, well, if only all had been perfect! but, are we willing to take a look at the reasons why no depts run well, why the judiciary isnt independent. the reasons were occurences from long before Mush became allpowerful. was the judiciary ever independent ? so blaming him is no use.
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Well that is the trouble. These dictators come, promising the earth, just like Mushy did and then they create even a bigger mess than before. Mushy promised a lot and to an extent delivered a few things, but as far as corruption goes he is now in cohorts with the same people he was so keen to prosecute and get rid of when he seized power. Yes judiciary was corrupt before he came. Does that mean he should not take steps to clean the system. He hasn't done that at all. If anything he has shamelessly used the judiciary to perpetuate his own rule. So whats the difference between him and NS and BB. Corruption of different sorts but corruption nonetheless.

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Corruption of different sorts but corruption nonetheless.

The corruption of power is what destroys nations, financial corruption erodes a nation, but an obsessive pursuit of power ruins it.

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Military action and uprooting the jihadi madrasas while replacing them with well funded schools is key and it's a tall order. Their roots are deep in Saudi Arabia, hopefully not as deep in Pakistan.

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Haris

I say that Army officers are just as corrupt as the rest of Pakistan and have become more and more corrupt recently.

If they are clean, then why won't they release their assets list or allow themselves to be investigated by NAB?

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Military action and uprooting the jihadi madrasas while replacing them with well funded schools is key and it's a tall order. Their roots are deep in Saudi Arabia, hopefully not as deep in Pakistan.
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And i say ....close all these universities doing nothing but supporting man power to dacoits ....mqm like gangs .......corrupt army ....corruupt politicians....

why are u all so obsessd with jihad.....or madares...i wonder how many of u have actually seen a madressa...a proper well known madressa..??

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A brief history of the politics of Sindh province sheds light on who is responsible for its plight and why. It also suggests an improbable way out of the quagmire.

Before Gen Zia ul Haq usurped power, Sindh was generally free of religious, ethnic or foreign-inspired terrorist strife. Then Gen Zia hanged Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and created the MQM to counter the PPP in Sindh so that he could divide and rule. In 1983, the MQM rescued him from the MRD by stopping Karachi and Hyderabad from lining up behind the rural protest. This fertilised the seeds of ethnic conflict between Sindhis and Mohajirs and nurtured the urban-rural divide.

Generals Aslam Beg and Hameed Gul followed the same strategy after 1988. In pursuit of personal ambitions, they nudged the MQM to stab the PPP government in the back during the 1989 Midnight Jackals no-confidence operation. When that failed, the MQM went on the warpath against the PPP, tearing asunder Karachi and Hyderabad, and paved the way for Ms Bhutto’s sacking in 1990.

Gen Beg took money from Habib Bank and Mehran Bank to rig the 1990 elections and keep the PPP out of power in Sindh and Islamabad. He fished Jam Sadiq Ali out of exile and helped him cobble a government in Sindh with the MQM. But in just two years the Jam Sadiq-Altaf Hussain alliance plunged Karachi and rural Sindh into violent anarchy. So Gen Asif Nawaz was given the green light to “clean-up” the mess.

After Ms Bhutto returned to power in 1993, she was faced with a resurgence of MQM inspired terrorism and re-launched the clean-up operation with the help of the politically neutral army chief, Gen Abdul Waheed. Later, Gen ® Naseerullah Babar used the Rangers and police to much the same effect. By the time she left, Sindh was at peace again.

However, a destabilising new element was again injected into the Sindh equation by General Pervez Musharraf when he determined to set up a new political system based on empowerment of local government within the matrix of his personal political agenda. Having determined to keep the PPP out, and distrusting the MQM, he wittingly opened up political space for the MMA to capture Karachi after a boycott by the MQM. But by the time the general elections had rolled up, the MQM and General Musharraf had clinched a mutually opportunistic deal. In exchange for supporting the PMLQ government in Islamabad, the same MQM against whom three army chiefs before General Musharraf had railed was handed over the governorship of Sindh and made a critical partner in the Sindh government. But this has provoked acute tensions between the MQM and MMA in urban Karachi and between the MQM and PPP in rural Sindh. The situation is untenable because the PPP is the largest party in Sindh and the MMA is the ruling party in Karachi but both are out of the provincial and administrative loop of rural Sindh and urban Karachi respectively.

General Musharraf has tied himself up in knots. Now he cannot antagonise the MQM in Sindh because that would spell the end of his government in Islamabad. So he has sacked the non-MQM chief minister and is hoping another one will “manage” the situation better. At the same time he is hoping to consolidate his alliance with the MQM when the local elections roll around next year. But a victory of the MQM in Karachi will be at the cost of the MMA, in particular the Jama’at-e Islami, which is bound to fiercely resist relinquishing power, as demonstrated by the violence in the recent by-elections in Karachi. Therefore, General Musharraf may eventually have to nominate a military governor to try and undo the disastrous effects of his political handiwork. But that will only bring him full circle to the beginning. This is what happens when a fractured polity, as in Sindh, is exacerbated by the politics of exclusion at the altar of personal ambition instead of being nudged into peaceful competition by the politics of inclusion at the altar of the national interest.

Conclusion: Gen Zia ul Haq and Gen Aslam Beg screwed up Sindh and Karachi for personal political reasons by excluding the PPP from its rightful stake in the province. But Generals Asif Nawaz, Abdul Waheed and Jehangir Karamat tried to undo their predecessors’ disastrous legacies because they were politically neutral and had no personal political ambitions. Gen Musharraf’s position is untenable: he is compelled by circumstances to keep the PMLN at arms length but his hostility towards the PPP defies political explanation. For a host of domestic and international reasons, the PPP is ideally placed to be his natural political ally. Yet a personal pique against Ms Bhutto has rendered General Musharraf’s political somersaults ineffective in the national interest.

The PPP and the MQM will have to learn to share power in Sindh effectively, and General Pervez Musharraf and Benazir Bhutto will have to work together in Islamabad before Karachi can be reprieved and Pakistan can breathe freely again. Since that is unfortunately not yet on the cards, both the city and the country will continue to suffer the adverse consequences of a well-meaning but hopelessly misguided man on horseback.

Najam Sethi

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hey enforcer! where you been man!?
hope alls well! :k:

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Hi Haris, Thanks for the message, i am fine and all’s well, so how are you?

Man Karachi sure is in one Sh** Storm right about now! :(, But i know we can recover from this, Inshallah :slight_smile:

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yeah enforcer!
it sure has been very tense. lets hope the capture of the men yesterday proves effective.