Maybe somebody could explain what Hamas are hoping to gain from their rocket attacks? Its pretty clear that Israel will use disproportionate force and many more Palestinians than Israeli will be killed so how will this make things better for the already downtrodden? These rocket attacks are hardly likely to stop Israeli aggresion or create an independent state.
WHat are Hamas hoping to gain?
Hamas only hope is to Send enough rockets into tel aviv that publuc pressure reigns in the gov.
This was not started by hamas btw, but last month; IDF soldiers entered gaza and shot dead a teenager playing football. Last week they killed two other boys playing football and then two of their rescuers in gaza. Thats when islamic jihad retaliated with rockets. Israel is now pretending it is retaliating, when infact it is the main offender.
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Hamas only hope is to Send enough rockets into tel aviv that publuc pressure reigns in the gov.
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Public pressure in Israel is demanding a strict counter attack against Hamas with a ground attack is that what Hamas wants? Hamas knows that Israel will attack but are still shooting rockets which are nothing compared to what Israel can do, how is that going to help the Palestinians that is what I would like to know.
Surely the Palestinian people will come out worse from all this.
Re: WHat are Hamas hoping to gain?
Hamas only hope is to Send enough rockets into tel aviv that publuc pressure reigns in the gov.
This was not started by hamas btw, but last month; IDF soldiers entered gaza and shot dead a teenager playing football. Last week they killed two other boys playing football and then two of their rescuers in gaza. Thats when islamic jihad retaliated with rockets. Israel is now pretending it is retaliating, when infact it is the main offender.
nope not true.....independent sources don't support this version....but that is beyond question who started it....what we do know that hamas launched over 600 missile attacks in 2010, around 700 in 2011 and so far close to 600 in 2012... you are welcome to do your own search and verify these numbers....independent sources confirm hat hamas has launched over 5000 missile strikes over israel in last 7 years....those missiles were targeting everyone....kids hospitals schools...and more importantly created a continuous state of psychological frustration among israeli citizens...
problem is that the moment you present these facts you will be labeled as a Zionist jewish-lover fascist...Israeli brutality is beyond question but how come we never bring hamas crimes into question...what have they done to make gaza a better place to live despite its dysfunctional status amid israeli and US block-adage? NOTHING!
once they had gaza strip, they should have abandoned military outfit coz israel is far far superior and these missile strikes will only create more problems..their one-point agenda should have been to make gaza a better place to live no matter how brutal israel is....in few years Israelis would have backed out amid international pressure plus its own public would have demanded a back-off and rest of the world would have supported Palestinians with so much cash..but Palestinians picked a different course..hence paying the price...
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To my info, Hamas was created by Israel to divide the Palestinians. They are lame people led by lame leadership. They only make their civilians die and then play politics to get money from the Arab world, Europe and of course Israel too.
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Palestinians don't have balls to fight the enemy. . Allah doesn't help those who don't help themselves. Shame on them, they are divided!
Kashmiris are better people, at least they don't fight with each other.
And yes, many Afghans take drugs, and the rest of garbage, but at least they are men
i see...you are man of such high caliber so i do want to learn more from you...so let me get this straight..
as far as I see,
Israelis winning this war against Palestinians after 50 years
Indians wining against Kashmirs after 30 years
Americans kicking afhgan's for 12 years (or you think afghans are winning...hiding in caves and running like chickens after every attack is not exactly a win while whole country is destroyed )
is Allah helping those "kafirs" because they help themselves....
please elaborate...will be greatful.
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nope not true.....independent sources don't support this version....but that is beyond question who started it....
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Which independent sources exactly are we talking about here? Links please; Such vagueness does not fly!!
And how is it beyond the question on who started it? Because you think it is? Do you accept everything that is spoon fed to you as the bible truth without questioning it?
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what we do know that hamas launched over 600 missile attacks in 2010, around 700 in 2011 and so far close to 600 in 2012... you are welcome to do your own search and verify these numbers....independent sources confirm hat hamas has launched over 5000 missile strikes over israel in last 7 years....those missiles were targeting everyone....kids hospitals schools...and more importantly created a continuous state of psychological frustration among israeli citizens...
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ok now tell me from the same independent sources; how many missiles, bombs, chemical weapons, bullets israel shot, how many civilians were killed and injured, how many of them were women, elderly, children?
And how many schools homes hospitals and public buildings were attacked in operation cast lead alone.
Exact numbers please. And then we will talk about psychological frustration!
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It's the only thing they *can *do in the face of Israel's continuous expansion of settlements.
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Actually that’s not right. Please see the link below. Israel broke the ceasefire, and has a history of doing so.
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To my info, Hamas was created by Israel to divide the Palestinians.
What is the source of this info? Khain e harmain? Or Mullah fm?
A man of God can not lie, cheat or deceive. And this shows who we are dealing with here.
I noticed that while many countries are deploring Israeli actions, Saudis are doing nothing but smoking hashish. There is hardly any condemnation from them. And this shows the nexus between the Occupiers of Baitul Maqdas, and Occupiers of Makkah and Madinah.
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nope not true.....independent sources don't support this version....
Again. what are some of those sources? Please explain.
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problem is that the moment you present these facts you will be labeled as a Zionist jewish-lover fascist..
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It's the two way street. The moment anyone questions events if holocaust, or Israel's apartheid system, the person is declared an Anti-Semite fascist.
whether Hamas is right or wrong at this moment, the fundamental point is that the Zionist terrorist state needs to be removed.
like you said, israel's brutality is beyond question. And this is why Israel should expect the same treatment from rightful owners of the land they occupied. Sooner of later, Israel will vanish from the pages of time.
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The point is that Hamas cannot gain any strategic advantage by attacking Israel with the puny missiles they are limited to, but why do they still do it especially when it causes such destruction in their own land???
Is it because the Muslim brotherhood who Hamas is closely attached to needs to be seen as supporting their Muslim brothers and are thus willing to create a fire only later to play the hero by distinguishing it.
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Should we even be questioning whether Hamas is right or wrong? the whole point is that Israel stands on occupied land and are conducting a mafia style assault on Gaza. Obviously the entire world knows that America is supporting Israel because they see this as their war for survival on forcibly taken land.
Why should Palestinians give up their right to live on their own land which was forcibly and aggressively taken away from them? despite knowing how cruel and clever the enemy is, they are fighting their battle, indeed the blood isnt getting wasted. Every drop of blood that gets shed in Palestine, shows us the real face of Israel.
Either the muslim brotherhood needs to man up and seriously stand against this atrocity or they can sit like cowards and continue to let the perpetrators get away with murder.
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The dispute between Palestine and Israel has taken a very far back seat, and now we simply hear talk about negotiating temporary deals which cease hostilities, but dont have any impact on the overall dispute between the two.
Israel's interest in having such skirmishes/short wars is that it pushes the actual issue further down the line, which is exactly what they want. They want petty issues to take the forefront to such an extent that the actual issue of Palestine is forgotten.
Hamas's only interest is to draw Israel into a ground war, which Israel is bad at. Hamas almost succeeded in that objective, but now Hillary has come to the rescue, and looks like there wont be a ground invasion, which is what Israel wants.
Anyway, this is an eery reminder of what happens when an army invades/occupies an area where militants reside randomly, and how dangerous that gets for the civilian population.
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I personally dont understand the tactics of hamas, as they are just prolonging and becoming a cause of sufferings for their own people. When they cant stand in front of Israeli might, and there's no support for them in the whole world including Islamic countries then why go for reckless actions?
the analogy of Israel is like a mad dog, it's better to avoid it, as if its messed around with it will certainly bite. The other option is to kill it, but its evident that the Palestinians don't have power for the same and others won't help them.
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This time it is Hamas who did the provocation deliberately by firing rockets into Israel, but Israel able to stop nearly 90% of them with Iron Dome maybe Allah's help?
Now can some one explain why PLO or West Bank is not with Gazan people - oh and sudden silence of Saudis is commendable because their is no other time then smoke hashish as my friend Khoji put it up !
Re: WHat are Hamas hoping to gain?
The dispute between Palestine and Israel has taken a very far back seat, and now we simply hear talk about negotiating temporary deals which cease hostilities, but dont have any impact on the overall dispute between the two.
Israel's interest in having such skirmishes/short wars is that it pushes the actual issue further down the line, which is exactly what they want. They want petty issues to take the forefront to such an extent that the actual issue of Palestine is forgotten. Hamas's only interest is to draw Israel into a ground war, which Israel is bad at. Hamas almost succeeded in that objective, but now Hillary has come to the rescue, and looks like there wont be a ground invasion, which is what Israel wants.
Anyway, this is an eery reminder of what happens when an army invades/occupies an area where militants reside randomly, and how dangerous that gets for the civilian population.
so shall we see in this skirmish !