Re: WHat are Hamas hoping to gain?
Israel is not fighting a regular army, and any army in such a situation would be bad......at least from a public relations perspective, as it would result in huge civilian deaths.....similar to Pak army marching into waziristan to fight with no legitimate target in sight.
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This time it is Hamas who did the provocation deliberately by firing rockets into Israel, but Israel able to stop nearly 90% of them with Iron Dome maybe Allah's help?
Now can some one explain why PLO or West Bank is not with Gazan people - oh and sudden silence of Saudis is commendable because their is no other time then smoke hashish as my friend Khoji put it up !
the same thing I was thinking, where is PLO in this? As I believe this should have concerned them more than us.
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Israel is not fighting a regular army, and any army in such a situation would be bad......
Israel Defense Forces are best of the best in ground & guerrilla combat actually far outpacing United States, British, Russians & Germans.
The last 60 years worth of military success in battles are proof enough when our arab brothers a** kicked handsomly for example Israel independence war, Sinai war, War over water, Six day war, Karameh battle, Spring of youth operation, yom kippur war, first & second lebnon war and then lastly don't forget intifada skirmishes.
now that doesn't mean I am supporting actions of Israel, but it means look at ourselves and see actually what we the Muslims had achieve in last 250 years with any kind a voilence precisely nothing !
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What are Hamas hoping to achieve? Asking this question in itself shows the bias of the poster. It would have been more appropriate to ask what Israel hopes to achieve. Afterall Israel is the aggressor here, and Hamas is the victim. Israelis are the ones that have blockaded Gaza and have started to assassinate their leaders. The firecrackers by Hamas was a response to that aggression. If a bully tries to hit and you try to resist his attack then does it become your fault and not the faulty of the bully?
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^ because you understand Hamas better, better also answer what took PLA and West Bank to not support Hamas in this hour of need…
WHat are Hamas hoping to gain?
It doesnt depend on hamas. Israel is the aggressor here, both in times of peace; and time of war. So what hamas hopes to gain or lose is irrelevant.
Ask isreal that question; and they will tell you; they want to flatten the whole of gaza back to middle ages. Well thats how one of thier MP put it. The rest want to keep on land grabbing; until there are no palestinians in the area. Ethnic cleansing and aparthied are the word. Thats what they hope to gain.
They do actually. Hamas and abbas have formed a coalition and he has declared his support and condemned israel.
Secondly; hamas have only to take a glance at how west bank palestinians are being treated by the israeli soldiers; to realise resistance is their only chance. Submission is not an option.
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^ thanks for explaining now will you also explain what will took one and half billion Muslims to take the gun from the hand of Israel.
logically speaking the end of current battle will be decisive Israeli victory, the question mark will be what can Muslims do to stop this from happening again. As I see even in next 50 years no Muslim country if their is any can take on Israel let alone on USA, so back to drawing board something seriously wrong with Islamic ideology we know off !
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If all respources of the US are behind Israel, i.e military satellites, NSA, CIA, Centcom, the military complexes then the fight is not really against Israel but with the US itself.
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Re: WHat are Hamas hoping to gain?
What are Hamas hoping to achieve? Asking this question in itself shows the bias of the poster. It would have been more appropriate to ask what Israel hopes to achieve. Afterall Israel is the aggressor here, and Hamas is the victim. Israelis are the ones that have blockaded Gaza and have started to assassinate their leaders. The firecrackers by Hamas was a response to that aggression. If a bully tries to hit and you try to resist his attack then does it become your fault and not the faulty of the bully?
This chap seems to have it in for me, I'm glad others are asking the same question. Thanks for the replies guys.
WHat are Hamas hoping to gain?
/\ and you most conveniently ignore what israel has to gain?
^ thanks for explaining now will you also explain what will took one and half billion Muslims to take the gun from the hand of Israel.
logically speaking the end of current battle will be decisive Israeli victory, the question mark will be what can Muslims do to stop this from happening again. As I see even in next 50 years no Muslim country if their is any can take on Israel let alone on USA, so back to drawing board something seriously wrong with Islamic ideology we know off !
??? What in the world is wrong with these apologists. First they try their utmost to defend israel and blame the palestinians; and then they blame all muslims; instead of the actual culprit. Is this blame displacement issue a psychological issue or an intellectual one?
Bhai mereh, you are human? Tell me what are YOU doing to remove the gun from Israelis hands??
This is not a muslim issue. Its an issue for any one with an ounce of humanity in them.
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I personally dont understand the tactics of hamas, as they are just prolonging and becoming a cause of sufferings for their own people. When they cant stand in front of Israeli might, and there's no support for them in the whole world including Islamic countries then why go for reckless actions?
the analogy of Israel is like a mad dog, it's better to avoid it, as if its messed around with it will certainly bite. The other option is to kill it, but its evident that the Palestinians don't have power for the same and others won't help them.
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I whole heartedely agree, that does not mean that either of us are exonerating the US or Israel of their guilt but we are questioning the acts of the supposed protectors of the Palestinians.
Ali if you could explain what is the situation of the Palestinians of the West bank? No doubt they are suffering but is it the same situation as in Gaza?
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I really don't think that anyone has been apologetic of Israel or the US, their guilt is without question. Now that does not mean we can not discuss the blame Hamas has in this situation.
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if you could explain what is the situation of the Palestinians of the West bank? No doubt they are suffering but is it the same situation as in Gaza?
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Really was hoping for an answer, i wanted to know why the PLO in the West Bank is not as hated by Israel as Hamas is, and why there is not as much fighting between Israel and the PLO.
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Israel Defense Forces are best of the best in ground & guerrilla combat actually far outpacing United States, British, Russians & Germans. ....... !
Not a correct analogy. Israel is 'good' at guerrilla wars because it is indiscriminate. It does not care much about UN, human rights, civilian casualties, or anything else for that matter. Their tactics are similar to those of suicide bombers, or Hamas in general. Both sides fire indiscriminately, and Israel, naturally having better ammunition and firepower, wins that blind war. US/Britain etc have a reputation to protect. They will go and get a UN resolution in their favor, even if they have to strong arm the rest of the world into it. But on paper, they will always be legit.
As expected, the ceasefire has taken place, and I believe Israel was hoping for it more than Hamas. In a ground war, even if Hamas takes out 1 tank in 100 days of battle, or takes 2 IDF men prisoners, it is a huge moral victory for them, and a technical defeat for Israel, as even after 100 days of pounding, Hamas will not be eliminated, and it will not change its tactics. So Israel has to withdraw, with future risks still in place. That is what has been happening in all the wars Israel has fought,...2008, 2005, intifada, 73, 67.