Yeah like a true politician you very conveniently ignored my other post explaining what I meant....if military topples him but does not seize power....Wishful but yes that IS possible (esp. if the Americans put pressure) even if some of you don't believe....
because not every general is politically minded. The way Mush is going Gen Kayani would not ever become COAS or any VCOAS for that matter. Got it Einstein.....
other post? was i answering the other post? I was commenting on this post? obviously at some point in time you had to further explain it, why get all touchy about it. I did not read yoru other post, i was answering this post, are you saying that you divided your complete thought in different posts einstein? how am i supposed to know that.
so now that you have clarified your initial post that i was responding to, which we both seem to agree that was rather vague, lets continue the discussion
If military topples him and does not sieze power, that is one thing, and it is higly unlikely, so if he is toppled you just have to deal with kiyani. and if not Kiyani someone else. best case scenario is that you will have some govt and military would still be pulling all the strings, isn't that what benazir and nawaz claim tahte ven when they were in power the real power was with the military?
No I don't actually buy that. Not ever general is politically-minded....
and you dont know what the generals whoa re next in line are like. even a seasoned politicianlike ZAB did not think that Zia had political ambitions and he moved him up over several other senior officers, and guess where it got bhutto?
so simply put, you or I dont know how political minded a military general is. we can hope but thats about it.
^ Yes military (whether or not in government) will always have considerable influence in the affairs of the state....atleast in the short-term. But we have to let democracy flourish in Pakistan and hope that once we have strong institutions esp. a strong judiciary to keep a check on the executive branch, these problems i.e. constant interferences by the military would eventually go away...
President George Bush has called on Pakistan's president Pervez Musharraf to hold elections and relinquish his army post "as soon as possible".
He said he instructed secretary of state Condoleezza Rice to deliver that message in a telephone call with Gen Musharraf.
And the salve complied:
ISLAMABAD, Nov 5: The government, under mounting pressure from its western allies after declaring emergency rule, has decided to hold a general election by mid-January, its top lawyer said on Monday.
Attorney-General Malik Abdul Qayyum said that National and provincial assemblies would be dissolved in 10 days’ time.
"It has been decided there would be no delay in the election and by November 15, these assemblies will be dissolved and the election will be held within the next 60 days,” Mr Qayyum told Reuters
Cowards have no right to live – God hats cowards!!!
Continued Military involvement escalates the problem.
Siding with religious Muslims, even if they are correct and not extremist will escalate the problem.
People need to just calm down. Offer Musharraf full security and protection and honour him as a person who stepped in to sort out Pakistan.
Develop a systematic method for reducing suicide bombings by buildings Islamic schools and masajid to win back the religious people from the grips of the extremists.
Appoint a temporary position from the Judiciary elite to lead until the democrats can get themselves sorted out.
Give leadership to the democrats and allow the propagation of Islamic values back in to the country that have been removed. People are not ready for Islam in Pakistan, they are also not ready for democracy, that is how low the moral framework in Pakistan has become.
Pakistan has become an entertainment led populous, so this role needs to be explored to guide people back to a civilian mindset, then towards one where people are actually considerate for one another - i.e. Islam.
Maybe you were on vacation when mushy was appointing Lt. Gens, the likes of Ashfaq Kiani, Nadeem Taj, Mohsin Kamal , Salahuddin Satti and others just a month ago. These are hand picked staunch loyalists of mushy, you expect them to lead the mutiny? Mutiny, if any has to start from top down not from bottom up in the amry.
Maybe you were on vacation when mushy was appointing Lt. Gens, the likes of Ashfaq Kiani, Nadeem Taj, Mohsin Kamal , Salahuddin Satti and others just a month ago. These are hand picked staunch loyalists of mushy, you expect them to lead the mutiny? Mutiny, if any has to start from top down not from bottom up in the amry.
The head of ISI is relative of Mushrraf. Since Mushrraf took over he has been going str8 in ranks. I wonder if it was all on merit.
Re: The master ordered and the slave nation complied
This is not the first time the slave complied. Back in August he got whipped at 2 am in the morning by Condi and quickly withdrew any notions he had of imposing emergency than. He has no morals or standard, only one, kursi, kursi and kursi.
Maybe you were on vacation when mushy was appointing Lt. Gens, the likes of Ashfaq Kiani, Nadeem Taj, Mohsin Kamal , Salahuddin Satti and others just a month ago. These are hand picked staunch loyalists of mushy, you expect them to lead the mutiny? Mutiny, if any has to start from top down not from bottom up in the amry.
Handpicking does not always guarantee that they will oblige :)
Re: The master ordered and the slave nation complied
This is not the first time the slave complied. Back in August he got whipped at 2 am in the morning by Condi and quickly withdrew any notions he had of imposing emergency than. He has no morals or standard, only one, kursi, kursi and kursi.
Oh dear what a shame. The world continues to recognise that President Musharraf is vital in fighting the war on terror, and is not going to be change it’s stance because of a few local difficulties.
London, Nov 6 - Britain is to continue giving aid to Pakistan in spite of President Pervez Musharraf’s recent declaration of emergency, a senior minister said as calls grew Tuesday for a concerted European response to the political developments in the South Asian nation. ‘We have communicated our view very clearly and strongly to the government in Pakistan, but I do think now is the time for clarity [from Musharraf about his plans] to help Pakistanis - never mind the rest of us - to be clear about the situation,’ Foreign Secretary David Miliband told journalists.
'I think now is not the time for threats to aid that is important for the Pakistani people. 'I obviously think it is important that we made the commitments we have - to doubling of aid to Pakistan, which is a very important country and has big development needs and has actually been making significant progress on its development goal. ‘But I think that the next few weeks are going to be critical in determining the international community’s engagement with Pakistan across a whole range of issues,’ he added.
The British aid is set to increase from the current 235 million pounds for three years to about 480 million pounds for the period 2008-2011.
“Now is not the time for threats to aid for the Pakistani people. It is important we made the commitments we have to the doubling of aid to Pakistan,” he said.
Oh dear what a shame. The world continues to recognise that President Musharraf is vital in fighting the war on terror, and is not going to be change it's stance because of a few local difficulties.
May be they think that he may be the only dog they can feed to get their job done.
Re: Britain demands 'free and fair' elections BUT rules out aid cuts
The fact that the Brits have actually said they will go ahead with their plans to DOUBLE AID to Pakistan, is a pretty big slap in the faces of those who had wanted aid cut!
Re: Britain demands 'free and fair' elections BUT rules out aid cuts
The AID is related to WOT and not who is sitting in Islmabad.
However, what i do expect to happen is that west will stop military aid of any significance that could help Pak come on Par with India. And emergency will be used as excuse.
Re: Britain demands 'free and fair' elections BUT rules out aid cuts
The AID is related to WOT and not who is sitting in Islmabad.
However, what i do expect to happen is that west will stop military aid of any significance that could help Pak come on Par with India. And emergency will be used as excuse.
Pakistan was not getting any such military help from west anyway. They don't do such military trade agreements with Pakistan that can provoke India.
