Re: Musharraf snubbed Brown and Rice on emergency rule
anyone got the latest on what musharraf said during the meeting with ambassadors? my video stream's being real gay..keeps freezing. i just heard the meeting has concluded.
Re: Musharraf snubbed Brown and Rice on emergency rule
I just heard on GEO that the meeting has concluded. The issues discussed were mainly the assurances to hold elections and step down as military chief, and to explain to the ambassadors the reasons for imposing Emergency. Musharraf has told them in detail why he had to impose Emergency, as well as assured the ambassadors that the elections will be held soon but he does not want to name a date at this time. Likewise he has said he will step but again no date. He gave no specific date on when the emergency will be lifted either.
Re: Musharraf snubbed Brown and Rice on emergency rule
so basically madman mushy wants to screw the pakistani nation to the max b4 announcing dates for elections and stepping down as army cheif. as for his reasons to impose emergency, we all know wht they were. bunch of lies and fabrications. 
:halo: 
Re: Musharraf snubbed Brown and Rice on emergency rule
woaaahh did u guys just hear this! Kamran Khan on GEO just said some prominent arab news networks revealed through unknown sources that a coup against Musharraf is underway. However, the govt. has denied such as rumors, and musharraf is still acting intact. this is gettin real spicy for anyone's taste.....
what are the chances of it being true though?
Re: Musharraf snubbed Brown and Rice on emergency rule
woaaahh did u guys just hear this! Kamran Khan on GEO just said some prominent arab news networks revealed through unknown sources that a coup against Musharraf is underway. However, the govt. has denied such as rumors, and musharraf is still acting intact. this is gettin real spicy for anyone's taste..... what are the chances of it being true though?
I do not support another general taking over the country. Pakistan deserves full democracy and nothing less, and all those generals involved must be put on trial under article 6th of the constitution. Noting less will detour them from taking over the country again.
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^i'm with u.
Re: Musharraf snubbed Brown and Rice on emergency rule
daer aaid durust aaid…:k:
Re: Musharraf snubbed Brown and Rice on emergency rule
No, its Mushrraf 1st even in that means Pakistan falls apart.
if you join the titles of his autobiography, english and urdu, together you will get what it is all about.
"in the line of fire* sub say pehlay pakistan*."
Re: Musharraf snubbed Brown and Rice on emergency rule
I do not support another general taking over the country. Pakistan deserves full democracy and nothing less, and all those generals involved must be put on trial under article 6th of the constitution. Noting less will detour them from taking over the country again.
I would strongly support it as long as Gen. Kayani (or whoever it is), is not doing it to seize power. The new COAS should then ask the Senate Chairman to be the acting president as happened in 1988 after Zia's death in a plane crash. Unless there is mutiny from within the army this problem and laanat of successive coups by COAS will never go away and future democratically elected PMs rather than concentrating on real matters will always be pre-occupied with pacifying the COAS/army.
Wishful but believe you me it would be the greatest day in the history of our country if that ever happened.
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No, its Mushrraf 1st even in that means Pakistan falls apart.
Shamraz what I fear is that this stupid dictator has comitted the same mistake what Saddam Hussain did when he attacked Kuwait...He was assured by CIA that they will remain neutral....later they attacked Iraq....
At the moment with US elections coming they need another Iraq and Musharaf has walked right in to their trap....
Study carefully again the cover of last Newsweek, "which is the most dangerous nation (not place or country): It's not Iraq, it's Pakistan."
I hope rest of the military brass really understand this situation and get rid of this mad man who is taking country towards a very big disaster.....
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^woah...didn't look at it like that. nice analysis yazdi. i hope it doesn't resort to any action against pakistan. :(
I really do hope they sort it all out and get their act together up in GHQ or wherever it is acts are put together. no pun intended.
Re: Musharraf snubbed Brown and Rice on emergency rule
Shamraz what I fear is that this stupid dictator has comitted the same mistake what Saddam Hussain did when he attacked Kuwait...He was assured by CIA that they will remain neutral....later they attacked Iraq....
At the moment with US elections coming they need another Iraq and Musharaf has walked right in to their trap....
Study carefully again the cover of last Neewsweek, "which is the most dangerous nation (not place or country): It's not Iraq, it's Pakistan."
I hope rest of the military brass really understand this situation and get rid of this mad man who is taking country towards a very big disaster.....
very rightly so. USA, especially republicans need a miracle to repair the damage done by iraq war. mushy is giving them every chance and opportunity to flex their muscles once again and bring back american voters to vote for republicans in the coming elections. mushy in his own greed for power and authority is gambling with the future of pakistan.
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^Any action against Pakistan is not on the cards, not even sanctions.
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^Any action against Pakistan is not on the cards, not even sanctions.
It's too early to say that....
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^^^^^
Just pray God we come out of this with whatever is best for the nation....we need to be united in this situation....rumors of something going on in Islamabad and negotiations are on....a big faction in military no happy with whatever is giong on....even sources close to chaudries are saying everything is not perfect for them...
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^Any action against Pakistan is not on the cards, not even sanctions.
with america in the picture...everything is possible. mushy is not their chacha ke baita. they'll make pie out of him if they had to, to appease american people.
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^^^^^
Just pray God we come out of this with whatever is best for the nation....we need to be united in this situation....rumors of something going on in Islamabad and negotiations are on....a big faction in military no happy with whatever is giong on....even sources close to chaudries are saying everything is not perfect for them...
earlier i said 'a coup maybe underway'....the actual wording of the anchor is that musharraf is rumored to have been put under house arrest by those unhappy with the situation, as reported by some arab news networks.
dono how much or what of it is true?
where did u get/find out what u wrote up there?....what're u watching/reading..?
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with america in the picture...everything is possible. mushy is not their chacha ke baita. they'll make pie out of him if they had to, to appease american people.
I agree that he is not their chacha ka bacha nor is anyone else in Pak, but i simply do not see it happening now nor any near future, though i think it WILL happen. I don't think they will waste their troops on Pak.
Wo India ka pata khol deeN gey, Pak per
Re: Musharraf snubbed Brown and Rice on emergency rule
I agree with you, but I hope Mushrraf is not insane as Saddam Hussian was. In any case, I think his lotas are leading him into blind alleys with no way out. He is going from blunder to blunder w/o realizing it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071104/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_dictator_again
Emergency could backfire on Musharraf
By MATTHEW PENNINGTON, Associated Press Writer Sun Nov 4, 2:11 PM ET
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Suspending basic rights and firing independent-minded judges may buy President Gen. Pervez Musharraf more time in power, but his assumption of emergency powers could ultimately destabilize Pakistan further and embolden Islamic militants.
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Western allies will also find it increasingly awkward to support a military leader who twice seized power by force and has become hated by many at home.
“Pakistan may well have been pushed into a blind alley and its capacity to come out unscathed is seriously in doubt,” said a commentary in Sunday’s Dawn daily written by noted human rights lawyer I. A. Rehman, 77, who was detained by police later in the day.
Musharraf was due to give up his military post this month and usher in a long-promised era of democracy. But, fearful that a defiant Supreme Court would spoil his plans to rule five more years as a civilian, he has resorted to dictatorial measures.
With authorities blocking independent TV networks, it was left to Pakistan’s press to deliver a blistering indictment of Saturday’s declaration of emergency, which many equated with martial law because it left the army chief effectively unchecked.
Musharraf fired the Supreme Court’s top judge and authorities quickly rounded up hundreds of the general’s political rivals, lawyers, and even raided the independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, where Rehman was picked up with more than 30 others.
Dubbing it “Gen. Musharraf’s second coup,” Dawn juxtaposed pictures of the U.S.-allied leader in his fatigues when he ousted an elected government in 1999 with images of him declaring the emergency on TV in civilian clothes on Saturday, just a little grayer around the temples.
Musharraf justified the move on the grounds that Islamic militancy had become a grave threat to Pakistan. Indeed, jihadists have seize control of swaths of northwestern Pakistan and launched dozens of deadly suicide attacks, mostly against security forces. Hundreds have died in the violence this year.
But much of the page-long emergency declaration focuses on the activism of the Supreme Court. It was accused of working at “cross purposes” with the executive and undermining its efforts to fight extremism, pushing for the release of dozens of Pakistani terror suspects held secretly by intelligence agencies.
Tellingly, Musharraf chose to act as the court was about to decide whether to validate his Oct. 6 election victory — a win that opponents decried as unconstitutional. A close aide to Musharraf told The Associated Press that they had expected the judges to rule against him. The aide spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
Commentator Shafqat Mahmood said the perception that the emergency had been declared to prolong his personal power would further sully the profile of the military leader, whose popularity has sunk since his botched attempt to fire the independent-minded chief justice in March — a mission finally accomplished Saturday.
“For the last six months, Musharraf has been a very hated figure in the country. Now he has pariah status. It is so obvious to the people that there is no principle involved here,” Mahmood said.
Joseph Biden, chairman of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, urged the Bush administration “to move from a Musharraf policy to a Pakistan policy.”
“President Bush should personally make clear to Gen. Musharraf the risks to U.S.-Pakistani relations if he does not restore the constitution, permit free and fair elections and take off his uniform as promised,” Biden, D-Del., said in a statement.
Yet it remained doubtful that the U.S. and other Western nations — which last week urged Musharraf to avoid authoritarian measures — would abandon the urbane general who made Pakistan a valued ally in the fight against al-Qaida and Taliban after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
The Bush administration said it was deeply disturbed by the emergency and urged a swift return to democracy. But though Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said U.S. aid to Pakistan would be reviewed, she indicated the U.S. would not suspend aid wholesale.
“Some of the aid that goes to Pakistan is directly related to the counterterrorism mission,” Rice told reporters traveling with her. “We just have to review the situation. But I would be very surprised if anyone wants the president to ignore or set aside our concerns about terrorism.”
Washington has provided billions of dollars in military and economic assistance since it suspended sanctions on military aid to Islamabad after 9/11.
“Those people who claim to be champions of democracy appear ready to let this go as they think he’s the only one who can deliver in the war on terror,” Mahmood said.
But further alienating Pakistanis already deeply resentful of the high-handed attitude of their rulers and a war on militants seen as fought at the behest of the Americans will make that job harder, and militants could exploit the political crisis to sow more discontent.
“We should also expect a surge in terrorist activities and bomb blasts by Taliban and al-Qaida elements to take advantage of the situation,” the editor of the liberal Daily Times newspaper, Najam Sethi, wrote.
Musharraf, who has been targeted at least three times by militant assassins, may also face growing unease in the ranks of an army — the main source of his power — whose own standing is tarnished along with that of its chief.
“The army is fighting on two fronts: the war against terrorism, which it is struggling with, and a losing battle for its own image,” said analyst Ikram Sehgal. “The only way Musharraf is going to redeem himself, especially with the Pakistan army, is that having got the Supreme Court out of the way, he must take off his uniform then announce in the near future free and fair elections.”
A parliamentary vote is due in January but that schedule was in doubt, although Musharraf said Saturday he was still committed to a full transition to democracy. Deputy Information Minister Tariq Azim conceded Sunday that, for the moment, the elections were on the “backburner.”
Elections or not, the most dogged opponents of military rule see only one solution.
“We believe that Musharraf has to be taken out of the equation and a government of national reconciliation put in place,” Asma Jehangir, another prominent rights activist, wrote by e-mail from house arrest in Lahore.
“It must be backed by the military. Short of this there are no realistic solutions.”
Re: Musharraf snubbed Brown and Rice on emergency rule
Just In touch with some people on the phone…
Some denial from Musharaf
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=31692
However people saying inspite of this everything not well>>>>