Were Ram and Krishna mentioned in Quran as prophets?

India land of prophets, say Muslim scholars

Hyderabad, April 13: Two days after RSS sarsangchalak K.S. Sudarshan asked Muslims to recognise Krishna as one of the prophets of Islam, city scholars have declared that India is the land of holy prophets and the place where the Divine Message was first received from Allah.

Islamic traditions hold that the first Prophet of Islam and the progenitor of humanity, Hazrat Adam, descended on Sarandeep Island (now in Sri Lanka) after he was sent down from Heaven (after he ate the forbidden fruit at Eve’s urging). Since India is one of the oldest civilisations, many prophets may have been sent to guide humanity, Mufti Sadiq Mohiuddin of the department of fatwas of 135-year-old Jamia Nizamia Islamic University, told this correspondent.

The Mufti told this correspondent that early Islamic personalities including Ibn Asakir and Allama Ibn Saad had mentioned in their sayings (Riwayat) that Adam had landed on Indian soil. Even the famous Arab traveller Ibn Batuta had mentioned in his travelogues of visiting Sarandeep island where the first prophet of Islam had descended from the Garden of Eden. Muslims believe that God had sent about 1.24 lakh prophets to all parts of the world.

However, the names of only 25 prophets are mentioned in the Quran.
Mufti Sadiq Mohiuddin pointed out that while Islamic scholars are of the view that India was the land of prophets, they were divided on whether Rama and Krishna were prophets of Islam.

They may or may not have been prophets. We want to remain silent on the issue. But it is the duty of every Muslim to respect the religious personalities of other religions, he said. According to All-India Muslim Personal Law Board general secretary Abdur Raheem Qureshi, some Indian Islamic scholars believe Dhul-Kifl, one of the holy personalities mentioned in the Quran, refers to Gautam Buddha.

There is no �p� sound in Arabic. Dhul Kifl means resident of Kifl or Kapil (Kapilavastu, where Buddha was born) Some scholars also hold that the Jain guru lord Mahavir was also a prophet.Islamic scholar Hafiz Shujat Hussain refers to the writings of the eminent thinker Moulana Tayyab Qasmi of Darul-Uloom Deoband, who had held that Rama and Krishna could also be prophets.

We should give utmost respect to Hindu prophets as we give respect to prophets from Hazrat Adam to Hazrat Muhammad, including Hazrat Musa (Moses) and Hazrat Isa (Jesus).City Muslim scholars also quote from Subhatul Marjan Fi Tarikhe Hindustan, written by the Islamic scholar Allama Ghulam Ali Azad Bilgrami in Arabic, which describes India as the first domicile of Adam.In Ayodhya, the birth place of Rama, there is a long grave. This is said to be the burial place Adam’s son Prophet Hazrat Shish, Hafiz Shujat told this correspondent.

Though Islamic scholars hold different opinions on the prophethood of Rama and Krishna, they all agree that since India is the place where Hazrat Adam had descended, it had acquired the status of the first capital of entire humanity. Since Adam received angels and revelations from God, India could be called the first land where man ever received enlightenment.

Indian Muslims have always believed that God had sent His prophets, messengers and guides to India. We all hold Rama and Krishna in high esteem, not because Sudarshan advises us to do so but because the Quran and Islamic traditions want us to. There are Islamic traditions that Prophet Mohammed used to say that he gets the fragrance of Paradise from India,says Peerzada Syed Shabbir Naqshbandi, president of the All-India Religious Leaders Association.

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Hindus should understand that all those 1.24 Lakh prophets (as Quran mentions them) preached “STRICT” monotheism… and not anything else. And thats how Quran asserts those 1.24 Lakh Prophets, strict preachers of MONOTHEISM…
Make sure what you mix up with Hindooism.

This is the most wierd topic I have ever seen where the basic facts are ignored :hoonh:

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Hyderabad, April 13: <<Krishna as one of the prophets >>

According to me krishna is not a prophet or messenger, He is an "avataar". By avataar, i mean "god". Correct me, if i am wrong.

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If Christians can turn Jesus (AS) from a man and a prophet to a God then why can’t Hindus make Krishna their own God.

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Exactly.... Hindus dont pray to krishna and ram as prophets. They pray them as gods.

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then this is fault of hindus.....not krishna and rama's........
may be they were prophets of God.

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I don't know much about hindus but I'll be glad to know what they think about idolatry

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thnx for sharing the article .i see ur upto ur old tricks nj.
no these names r not in quran.

u can do some research or not ,ill just give u some clues.interesting ones i might add.

1)legend/story/myth of ram is in all those places where there r arayans.u find ram's l/s/m in indonesia,malaysia,thailand etc.

2)ayodhya is made of a + yudh
a means ''not allowed''
yudh means ''war''
ayodyah=where war is not allowed.

in arabic the equivalent is dar us salam or bait ul haram

now whoosh,using imagination [or delusions] ram was born in mekka.

3)seeta was related to ram.
sanskrit dictionary says seeta means ''personal propert of of the prince''
delusional whoosh or imagination or conclusion=makka=the mother of villages[places of abode]
bible also refers to kecca is woman.

sanskrit dictionary also says meaning of seeta is ''the first line made in a field''
again the first building ever on earth the kabaa.

4)ramayan is made up of ram and ayan
ram is ram
ayan=home
ramayan=home of ram

5)in geeta kirshan says i am ram and also agni
geeta=vedas's summary
agni= go check for urself.

6)vedas say kirshan is also known as ''mohan madan''
in sanskrit ''an'' or noon is added as an extra.
now add moh+mad ignoring an in both we get mohmad.[go check if u have the resources,time and patience and open mindedness]

7)sanskrit mohan madan' means the beloved
arabic mohammad means beloved

8)krishna accused of stealing butter ''makhan chor''
sanskrit makh means mecca
and makhan means the most precious home/house of mecca=the kabaa
chor means ''one who has relations with mecca in secret''

9)kirshin also known as gopaal and i can explain that too but i wont.

10)too bad the hindus lost their prophets by creating legends.too bad hindus were kept separate from the holy books.too bad u like to find faults with islam as if ur perfect.

ENJOY.

forgot to add that the subcontinent is a piece broken up from arabia n floated n rammed into asia n gave rise to himaliyas from the impact.hehe.

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Man this will go off the topic....

Since i am a hindu...let me answer your question.

Majority of hindus believe in idol worship. There are certain hindus also who dont believe in idol worship. I myself have not delved deep into hindu scriptures, but according to me, but there are instances of both being supported.

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if hindus accept vedas as their book of scripture then veda explicitly forbids idol worship n preaches monotheism.u shud look into it.ull b amazed.

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to sings
if you don't do idol worship then what do you think about one God and how do you worship.........if you do?

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God sent prophets and apostles to every people to guide them to monotheism and righteousness and everytime the people went off the tracks (burying daughters alive, creamting widows alive, praying to angels and prophets instead of God who created them and provides for them) he sent another prophet or messenger to guide them back to the right path, every people had their own prophets and messengers till God sent his last prophet and apostle Mohammed :saw: to all of humanity with a message which abrogated all past messages and which would serve as beacon of light till the last day.

It is possible that Hindu deities were originally prophets or angels who people started to worship and attribute myths to, it’s possible that some of the Hindu scriptures are completely altered versions of God revealed scriptures but we don’t know for sure.

What we do know for sure is that yes Allaah sent prophets and messengers to South Asia (there wasn’t an India back then) but we don’t know them by name.

There is no mention of Ram or Krishna in the Qur’aan or Sunnah so it might be or it might not be, who cares? It is a pointless issue thinking about it because even if they had been prophets their messages are abrogated and today only the message which Mohammed :saw: brought leads to salvation.

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God decides our religion for us, it's not a friggin joke like certain pagan/polytheistic cults of South Asia where whenever they see something pretty they cover it in tinsel and yellow flowers and start praying to it.

Hindus are going to dictate our religion to us?

Indian Muslim clergy were forced into passing verdicts forbidding beef and now they have to accept Hindu deities as prophets? When's it going to end????

I thought India was suppose to be a secular country with freedom for minorities?

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Singh, I have answered this in some other thread... Hinduism has concept of
Ishwar - That is trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh. Where Brahma is cleary the final GOD where everything merges in the end and comes back during reconsturction.
Incarnations (Avtars) - These are messengers of GOD, till now its close to being prophet. Though what Hinduism adds that they are part of IShwar.
Bhagwan - These are powers of nature that are worshipped for material world.
Challenge is that English didn't have three words and just had one word "GOD" for things Christians worship.
Hence cofused goras started calling everythign GOD, and this just got fixated as Hindus beliving in multiple GODs....... :-)

Coming back to topic
Why are taking on the guy, what he has posted is said by Muslim Scholars? He has given the news url as well. So chill and show opinion....
There is a very strong penchant to many a guppies to get down to filthy language very soon.......
Control yaar.......... :D

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Its not a topic just started like that, its a opinion of Muslim Scholars…

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I am amzed to see the boldness in you to make such misleading statements.

You said, Incarnations are “messengers” of GOD…

If God incarnated into something, it should be a God in the incarnated form and NOT messenger…

Then you said, close to being Prophets.

You heard the two terms Messenger and Prophet in Islamic context and then applied them in the xplaination of Hindooistic ideas. I ask you, do you know what is the difference between “messenger” and “Prophet”… and you are using the two words at the same time for your own mythological gODs…

And lastly you said, they are part of Ishwar…

Oyaay, if they are part of Ishwar, then they are Ishwar themselves. How can you attribute the paw of a cat to the hoof of a donkey??? OR a progeny of a donkey as the progeny of a horse…

WTH… you Hindus don’t even think what you are saying. ,… :grumpy:

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Right now i am busy....i 'will' come after sometime. I 'will try' to give the perspective of hinduism. I could be wrong also.

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i disagree to accept ram and particularly krishna as 'prophets',

The question is why?....Myself being a hindu. Becuase for me they are gods, not prophets.Everytime god cannot get his job done through prophets. With changing time or changing yuga (as hindus put it), everything changes. Change is the only constant thing in this world. By change i mean through thousands of years. Since he himself is a creator of this universe including all of us, he has to come down at some point or the other.

"One of the first philosophies which hinduism...by hinduism, i mean it's scriptures clearly mentions that standards are going to or bound to decline with the passing of each day".

This is even mentioned in bhagavad geetha that He will take birth in every yuga, even in this yuga (kali yuga) i.e., at the end of 'kali yuga'. When it is going to end, there are many estimates. I dont want to get into it.

I know zakir hussein or naik ...i dont remember his name...has his own interpretation of the above which i disagree.

Hinduism ...by hinduism, i mean it's philosophy...clearly tells that in this age 'the last or final' avataar of god, who again happens to be Lord Krishna, only the name changed to Kalki (for kali yuga), will descend to earth when there will be no topic of god left, when there is complete anarchy etc etc.

" I clearly disagree to believe that Krishna, or Rama, Or even Kalki as prophets. I dont pray them as prophets. I pray them as gods. I see them as the one who are running this universe.".

Regarding...hareem's question without idol worship how do some hindus pray?... I will explain that later. It's somewhat difficult to me because I myself find more comfort in a god with 'form' than without 'form', . But i will explain it with what all things i know, later.

i am really busy.

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How do I explain linear equations, game theory and dynamic modelling to a person who hasn't gone beyond 8th class in maths and discussion..:D

So live with aritmatic and algebra being the last frontiers of mathmatics. Its all yours........ :)