Were Barelvis mostly converted from Hinduism?

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Is it true that most of the Barelvis are descendents of converts from Hinduism. The Wahabis/Deobandis are mainly descendents of Muslim migrants into the Indian sub-continent from West and Central Asia. And that is the reason Wahabis/Deobandis dont like Barelvis. They consider Barelvis to be “impure” Muslims as they were Hindus before.

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That is not true … father of Maulana Ahmed Raza Khan (founder of Barelvi School of thought) was Maulana Naqi Ali Khan .. who himself was a very famous Alim of his time ..

The difference in school of thoughts is not because of purity or impurity.

The main isuue is .. if Prophet Mohammed :saw2: is/was following or not

  1. Haazir /Nazir
  2. Alim ul Ghaib
  3. Nooree or Khaki
  4. Dead or alive
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its a shame what we've turned this religion into?

but then again the Prophet SAW did say there would 72 sects in it!!!!

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Very funny post, well most of muslims in pak are converted from hinduism, thats what i think. pathans i've heared they were jews before then converted thats y there color is fair and i've heared this from a pathan. anyway not to much knowledge in this feild

What i wanned to say is am not concerned abt what people consider them, i like there belivess. I appriate them appriatiating Ahley baits and not calling Rasool s.a.w illetratre like some muslims do and there love for Mohammed s.a.w's family they way they recite naats its all awesome :) so my vote for them
wasalam
Aqeel

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That is funny.

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I have started the thread with detail information about Maulana Ahmed Raza Khan, how he was friend of British and he discourage his follower to do jihad agnist British.

"Aĥmed Riđā rejected the jihad against the British occupation of India since “Jihad is not obligatory for us, the Muslims of India, on the basis of the Qur’an.”

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This is your brother Dumb. I am no Genius either but know this much that this spread of hatred against each other is not going to get us anywhere.
Do you know Muslims are the only follower of a religion who want to kick out other Muslims from their midst. Other religion spend time , money and effort to bring more people to their religion. We the Muslim spend time , money and effort to kick out other Muslims from our ranks.
Is it not very funny ?

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Same answer as above.
This spread of hatred against each other is not going to get us anywhere.
Do you know Muslims are the only follower of a religion who want to kick out other Muslims from their midst. Other religion spend time , money and effort to bring more people to their religion. We the Muslim spend time , money and effort to kick out other Muslims from our ranks.
Is it not very funny ?

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An article contributed by Maulana Abu Zaynab.](Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan among the Arab Ulama | Pearls of the Elders)

The Great Medinan Scholar Shaykh Abdul Qadir Tawfiq al-Shalabi al-Tarablusi al-Hanafi on Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan

Foreword
In this era of confusion, many western Muslims call for reconciliation between the Barelwis and the Deobandis. The Arab ulama, and those westerners that have studied at their feet, are looked upon as a source of inspiration in bridging this gap.
The proposition is interesting. However, one wonders how well these western and Middle Eastern Muslims actually understand the Barelwi-Deobandi divide. This is especially the case since most of the writings surrounding the subject are in Urdu, a language generally only understood by people with roots in the Indo-Pak subcontinent.
Nevertheless, it is important that we earnestly and sincerely listen to all our non-sub-continental Ulama on this particular topic. One such individual is Shaykh Abdul Qadir Tawfiq al-Shalabi al-Tarablusi al-Hanafi, who hailed from the Libyan city of Tarablus and was resident in Medina when Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan came to the Hejaz to elicit his notorious fatwa against the Ulama of Deoband.
On a trip to Medina in 1363AH, Faqih al-Ummat Mufti Mahmud al-Hasan al-Gangohi met Shaykh Abdul Qadir who interestingly narrated his version of events and his impressions of Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan. Incidentally, Faqih al-Ummat was the Khalifa of Hadhrat Shaykh al-Hadith Mawlana Muhammad Zakariyya al-Kandalawi and former Grand Mufti at Darul Uloom Deoband.
As Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan’s contemporary and someone we can all assume to be neutral in the true sense, the words of Shaykh Abdul Qadir strike a particular resonance in this day and age. Through an impartial Middle Eastern scholar, many Deobandis are able to fully appreciate and confer the opinions of their elders regarding Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan and not be misled by contrary opinions that allude that the Akabir were perhaps “mistaken”.
Shaykh Abdul Qadir was not the only non-Salafi shaykh to voice concerns about Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan. Interestingly, Shaykh Sayyid al-Barzanji, the Grand Mufti of the Shafi’i’s in Medina, who was also an impartial Middle Eastern scholar and contemporary of Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan, wrote a book against Radha Khan entitled “Ghayat al-Mamul fi Ilm Ghayb al-Rasul”.
Abu Zaynab
Mufti Mahmud al-Hasan Gangohi narrates:
When I visited Medina for the first time in 1363AH, a person from Bukhara introduced me to Shaykh Abdul Qadir al-Tarablusi. Shaykh Abdul Qadir asked me: “Do the serious differences that used to exist between Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan and the Ulama of Deoband still continue?”
I replied: “Where is Tarablus? And where is India? How do you know of this? What do you know of the differences between Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan and the Ulama of Deoband?”
He replied: “It’s been some time. Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan brought some Urdu texts to me. He attributed them to the Ulama of Deoband and sought a fatwa. I told him that the texts were in Urdu, which I didn’t know, and so how could I possibly issue a fatwa. He said he would translate them into Arabic for me, so I asked him how that could be possible when he is the claimant. How could his translations be accepted? He then convinced a student of mine to translate the texts into Arabic, which he did.”
Shaykh Abdul Qadir continues: “At that, I issued a fatwa with certain conditions that if these writings are those of the Ulama of Deoband, that these are the meanings of these texts (as explained by Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan), that the preceding and succeeding texts do not show the meanings to be otherwise, and that these are the authors’ intentions then these texts lead to disbelief. After that, Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan’s book “Husam Al-Haramain” (Sword of the Two Sanctuaries) was published. I looked at my fatwa inside there, it had been altered. My words had been changed and from this I realized that this man (Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan) was not from the people of trust (Ahl al-Diyanat).”
Malfudhat Faqih al-Ummat, Volume 2, Page 333
Translated by Abu Zaynab

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Whatever bralvies (muslims or non muslims) are, they are not terrorists. But this can not be said about the deobandies.

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Peace All

Weren't the Qur'aish mostly converted from Idol Worship?

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Which idols were worshipped by pre-Islam Arabs?

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Aren't all muslims, whether of Arabic origin or Indian origin or African origin - descendents of people who converted or were converted from one religion or other?

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Peace denada

That does not matter does it. The fact that they stopped worshipping those idols after Muhammad (SAW) came, is what is important. This argument should extend to any culture or race that converts to Islam in masses.

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Not all muslims Rasool s.a.w family didnt have to convert as they were on Islam ... mazhab-e-ibrahimi.... and am not sure if there were others who didnt have to convert but you r right alot of people had to convert which was a postive move as they were moving towards right path
wasalam
Aqeel

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Again these words are used...
I want to see Islam as a religion of peace but when a Muslim person constantly says this it shows a bigtime amount of arrogance. This implies that all non Muslims are on the wrong path because they follow a religion other than Islam. It's shows a certain amount of close-mindedness towards other ways of thinking.

How can/do Muslims live peacefully with non-Muslims when this thought is always on their mind of them being the only ones on the "right path" and following the "right religion".

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May be you should just take it as an individuals opinion and ignore. I am damn sure you won't agree with many things in islam as right and neither am i going to ever accept also. Hence for me the right path is somewhere else. It may or may not be in any religion. You also boldly say that yours is the right path. Even earlier I used to agree with whatever you said. But later i found nothing wrong in saying that My beliefs are right just like someone told!!...The only thing which might take a back seat is open mindedness. You may not use logic and reason to question your beliefs.

~**~ Aaaj aap ne Dinner main kaya khaya ~**~
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the above issues are agains quran as well,

Like on number of occasions (sura) quran said that The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was a man who was selected amoung the men… and agains there are number of verses whihc says that Only Allah has Knowledge of Unknown, ( alim-ul-ghaib), and if we consider Prophet (PBUH) as Noori then we have to acknowledge two things with this, that, The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was an inferior creature ( as Angels postrated Humans) 2ndly the MIRACLES are exactly not the miracles becuase those things are not impossible for Angels… another very important thing is, that if Prophet (PBUH) was noori then, we dont have to or cannot follow his sunnah thus we are eliminating a very important element from Islam.

It is again against the Quran, when In Quran Allah says, I have sent Prophets from the people to all people, they were from them, so that they cannot say that, u r different…

last but not least, Quran says, All living things have to die, so the concept of Prophets being alive or dead is again agains the Quran.

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actually I would never say to another person that only Hinduism is the right way for all non-Hindus but if there is big time ignorance about it, I would tell them to read up on it before saying something negative about it and I do find quite a few things wrong with Hinduism as well as all other religions because times have changed but what has been written has not. I don't think that Hinduism is the only way but there are quite a few things I like about it like it's accepting of all faiths, I would never say that a person is on the wrong path just because they aren't Hindu. I personally like certain things about most faiths, like even in Buddhism, Sikhism, Judaism, Islam, Christianity but why does that point of "my religion is the right path to be on so I think all people in this world should convert to it" have to be there.

Why can't we just accept the fact that all our religions are flawed and just let people practice their own faiths and not push our beliefs and religion on others. It would be a much nicer world to live in I think.