Wedding in Moharram

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to some what i say is nonsense, fine, I dont take it personally. ot asking anyone to follow my beliefs, yet I will not let ppl shovel their beliefs in my face as some sort of universal and divine command, when it is clearly not.

Indeed it would be better without passing judgements, I am not judging anyone,. the judging usually comes from ppl who get bent out of shape, as illustrated in this thred several times when ppl dont fall in line of the ‘we dont celebrate anything in moharram’ view.

majority of people doing or not doing is not the basis, ppl dragged that into the discussion making baseless assertions which I felt needed to be cleared up. In the end, what general consensus is that there is no religious basis. as far as cultural preferences go, ppl can go do what they want. Its not my problem

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Taking smth personally is not the matter here. It about calling other people's idea as "nonsense" and "illogical". Sure you could have a different perspective, but you could articulate that in a different way, without adopting a holier-than-thou attitude. And nobody is "shoveling their belief to your face". Everybody has agreed to the "sanctity" ( if i may say so ), of 10th of Muharram. The bone of contention remains the issue regarding the whole month. That should not be so. If somebody wishes to extend this tragic event to the whole month, then let it be so. Nobody should have any problem with that. Similarily nobody should have any problem if one does not agree to the "whole month" notion. I dont.

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majority of people doing or not doing is not the basis, ppl dragged that into the discussion making baseless assertions which I felt needed to be cleared up. In the end, what general consensus is that there is no religious basis. as far as cultural preferences go, ppl can go do what they want. Its not my problem
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Yes, it has nothing in Shariah regarding this.

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would like to request the moderators to close the thread. It has served its purpose. No need to drag it on and on.

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*Taking smth personally is not the matter here. It about calling other people's idea as "nonsense" and "illogical". Sure you could have a different perspective, but you could articulate that in a different way, without adopting a holier-than-thou attitude. *

I am not posing a holier than thou attitude, quite opposite actually I am refuting those with olier than thou attitudes by noting openly that the basis of their attitude is faulty and without any basis.

how would you like me to articulte it. That it has no merit, no basis and no reason for anyone to follow it from a religious perspective.

*And nobody is "shoveling their belief to your face". *

of course they are. the whole point of if you get married in moharram or even think about celebratign anything then your love for teh faith or holy figures is questioned. happened in this thread and happens in real life.

Everybody has agreed to the "sanctity" ( if i may say so ), of 10th of Muharram.

Not everybody. it still has no basis from a religious perspective, it is people's preferences, some follow it, other avoid it to incliude the ones that follow it, or to not get labelled something :)

** The bone of contention remains the issue regarding the whole month. That should not be so. **

whole month including the 10th, if ppl can get married on the day that the prophet passed away, then no other day is out of bounds.

**If somebody wishes to extend this tragic event to the whole month, then let it be so. Nobody should have any problem with that. Similarily nobody should have any problem if one does not agree to the "whole month" notion. I dont. /]

let ppl extend it, observe a day, week, whole month, as long as it is not paraded as some religious obligation, I dont really care.

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Nobody calls it a "religious obligation". However, how do you label honouring the Prophet (saw), his (saw) family and the companions r.a.? Religious, cultural or moral?

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of course they are. the whole point of if you get married in moharram or even think about celebratign anything then your love for teh faith or holy figures is questioned. happened in this thread and happens in real life.
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I agree with you. We are in no position to question. Allah knows what is concealed. He very well knows the intentions of those who celebrate and dont on the 10th of Muharram. Its all about intentions. Intentions count. Agree?

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whole month including the 10th, if ppl can get married on the day that the prophet passed away, then no other day is out of bounds.
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Who enjoys the day he (saw) passed away anyway? Its always better to spend at least one day at the remembrance of the Prophet (saw) and his family rather than getting married and having fun on "national holidays" by the government. You know what mean. :)

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Nobody calls it a "religious obligation". However, how do you label honouring the Prophet (saw), his (saw) family and the companions r.a.? Religious, cultural or moral?

personal preference, that is how I label it.
It is not a religious event, it has nothing to do with religion
a religious historical commomoration basically.

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I agree with you. We are in no position to question. Allah knows what is concealed. He very well knows the intentions of those who celebrate and dont on the 10th of Muharram. Its all about intentions. Intentions count. Agree?**

I agree, if someone marries on 10th just to tick ppl off that is wrong, just as someone avoids it because they tink it is not allowed by religion. We are in no position to make something halal into haram.

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Who enjoys the day he (saw) passed away anyway? Its always better to spend at least one day at the remembrance of the Prophet (saw) and his family rather than getting married and having fun on "national holidays" by the government. You know what mean. :)**

Its not a question of having fun to be direspectful, it is a question of going on with your life. remembrance does not have to mean that you stop your life and beat yourself senseless either. The best remembrance would be to incorporate the teachings of the prophet and the ahle bait in our daily lives. Sadly that is not the case.

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ahh..very well. So one must respect the religious historial commemoration. right? Must give due respect and act congruously. Although not a religious obligation..but hey.. it IS morally justified and so are many things which at the same time are not 'strictly speaking' a religious obligation.

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Its not a question of having fun to be direspectful, it is a question of going on with your life. remembrance does not have to mean that you stop your life and beat yourself senseless either. The best remembrance would be to incorporate the teachings of the prophet and the ahle bait in our daily lives. Sadly that is not the case.
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Hey if I start joking at my friend's mother death anniversary, at his house, am i being disrespectful? or just getting on with my life? to hell with it...its not a religious obligation.:D cheers!!

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ahh..very well. So one must respect the religious historial commemoration. right? Must give due respect and act congruously. Although not a religious obligation..but hey.. it IS morally justified and so are many things which at the same time are not 'strictly speaking' a religious obligation.

and the proper way to pay respect to this commemoration of a historical event is not beating oneself senseless with chains in the view of some people. Observing it also does not mean that one can not go on with one's life. If commemorating singificant dates in our history in the manner u describe is that critical we would be raising the same hue and cry about the day of the passing of the prophet. Ironically that is not a state holiday is it now.

so what about moral justification for observation of the prophet's passing, or that entire month, he is more important than everyone at karbala out together and all the people before or after that put together? would you not agree? so why is the histroical commemoration of that with due respect and acting congrously not important there?

Hey if I start joking at my friend's mother death anniversary, at his house, am i being disrespectful? or just getting on with my life? to hell with it...its not a religious obligation.:D cheers!!

wrong analogy. its more like if 50 years after their mother passes away one brother has to plan his kids wedding and due to schedules it falls in Moharram, and the other brother getting bent out of shape and telling first brother that he did not respect or loe his mother because he is choosing to have a wedding the month that their mother passed away.

again by that token, no weddings should take place in the month of the prophet's passing, but I dont see people jumping up and down about that. Does that mean they dont care? are they being disrepectful?

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. Getting on with one's life? If you mean that we should throw a party on 10th of Muharram then I dont agree with that. Due respect must be given. You cant just banter around on a funeral, can you?

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commemorating singificant dates in our history in the manner u describe is that critical we would be raising the same hue and cry about the day of the passing of the prophet. Ironically that is not a state holiday is it now.
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The commemoration of Imam Hussain a.s is not about commemorating his 'passing away'. Its about the tragedies and the Imams a.s. perserverence. I believe I dont need to elaborate on the history of Kerbala. Point is..its not about the death of the Imam a.s, its about the tragic events.

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wrong analogy. its more like if 50 years after their mother passes away one brother has to plan his kids wedding and due to schedules it falls in Moharram, and the other brother getting bent out of shape and telling first brother that he did not respect or loe his mother because he is choosing to have a wedding the month that their mother passed away.
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So my friends's mother and Prophet's (saw) grandson have equal importance?

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*Getting on with one's life? If you mean that we should throw a party on 10th of Muharram then I dont agree with that. Due respect must be given. You cant just banter around on a funeral, can you? *

if the funeral was that day it would bea diff thing, but this event took place hundreds of years ago. There is no funeral on the 10th. That is an anniversary of that day.

yes due respect must be given, and there is no reason to say that teh due respect must be given by beating onself with chains and knives. There are many ways to pay due respect.

*The commemoration of Imam Hussain a.s is not about commemorating his 'passing away'. Its about the tragedies and the Imams a.s. perserverence. I believe I dont need to elaborate on the history of Kerbala. Point is..its not about the death of the Imam a.s, its about the tragic events. *

In that case the funeral analogy does not fly? so far you have been saying it is about a funeral and now changing your tune.

so it is commemorating the imam's sacrifice for our religion. It would only seem proper that we do the commemoration in a manner that does not go counter to the religion as the prophet completed for us. But that is a whole diff topic.

It agan boils down to personal preference right. By all means if someone wants to not do anything that day, they are more than welcome to. At the same time if someone wants to do something .. that is their choice, and it does not decrease their musalmaniyat in any way shape or form, or indicate them to be disrespectful or that they do not care.

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So my friends's mother and Prophet's (saw) grandson have equal importance?**

It was your example, so you tell me if they have equal importance, or stop coming up with examples that you yourself will go back on a few hours later

You have avoided answering the question about thus avoiding things on days such as when the prophet passed away, or when he suffered. That does not seem to register with people.

and no, your frind's mother nad the prophets grandson do not have equal importance. Just like the prophet's grandson and the prophet do not have equal importance. Therefore it seems curious that we ignore the prophet.

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O man...this is enough

cheers brother :)

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indeed :)

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is it a bad getting married in Muharam ?

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according to quran and sunnah there is nothing to prove that ... u can marry anytime if u apply the islamic principle of marriage

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According to Ahl-e-Sunnath Wal Jaamath, It is Jaiz to get married in the month of Muhurram, But should be avoided, espicially in the first 10 days.

I have heard about people that delibetery marry they children on the 9/10th of muhhuram, and it is sickening

How can think of marrying they Sons on the day, where the Princes of the Ahl-e-Baith were Martyred in Karabala

SHAH AST HUSSAIN, BADSHAH AST HUSSAIN
DEEN AST HUSSAIN, DEEN PANA AST HUSSAIN
SAR-DAD, NA DAD DAST DAR DAST-E-YAZEED
HAQ E BINAH LAILAHA ILA AST HUSSAIN

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But should be avoided, espicially in the first 10 days.
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Why should it be avoided?

Whats in first 10 days?

Why are those 10 days BAD for YOU as they were for those who are remembered?

How is your life connected with those 10 days? And why are you only concerned about those 10 days and rest of the days in the year all types of kanjar-khana is jaiz?

If you are so sad in those 10 days, why not show true love and stay sad for the whole year? What has happened has happened, so now only thing we CAN do is stay sad... why the hypocrisy of 10 days of sad matams and then life as normal? Don't *remember *them rest of the year other than those 10 days?

It is PURE jahalat to say that any year, month of year or day of the month is bad or cursed for people... there is no proof in Quran and Sunnah to suggest that. Some people have deliberately created ways to stop day to day work and feast on people's innocence/ignorance... lazy, selfish and halwa puri moulvies.

Yes, pay respect but don't make it part of your religion and preach that humanity stop what they are suppose to do because something happened on that day in history. If that is the case, then there are far more important and sad things that happened before karbala that should be remembered and then you won't have days or months left to do anything.

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