Re: Wearing Of Hijab Not Required By Quran: Egyptian Scholar
El-Banna, whilst being the brother of Ikhwan Ul-Muslimeen founder Hassan Al-Banna, is not a member of, nor a spokesperson for the Ikhwan. Indeed he oppses the Ikhwan, its views and its goals.
A similar example is how Jinnah's daughter was not a member of the Pakistan movement; she never spoke for the Pakistan movement, and indeed she opposed the Pakistan movement.
Re: Wearing Of Hijab Not Required By Quran: Egyptian Scholar
Islam is so clear and simple. people try making it so difficult by digging things out and discussing them, these things are just a waste...waste WASTE! They're there to misguide people and to mash their minds up. May Allah protect us from that and guide those who have fallen into it..Ameen.
Re: Wearing Of Hijab Not Required By Quran: Egyptian Scholar
really? why do you think ppl engage in honor killings and think that they are right from a religious point of view?
Yes its a simple religion, but when we overload it with people’s prsonal preferences, interpretations and all, and make those as if they are word of god, then we have a problem.
as i have stated before, much of this is of almost an academic interest to me, to understand how and why some of what we think are must dos may nt be, and things we ignore may be critically important.
Re: Wearing Of Hijab Not Required By Quran: Egyptian Scholar
[quote]
really? why do you think ppl engage in honor killings and think that they are right from a religious point of view?
[/quote]
where'd you get that assumption from?
[quote]
Yes its a simple religion, but when we overload it with people's prsonal preferences, interpretations and all, and make those as if they are word of god, then we have a problem.
[/quote]
lol...you referring to the scarf thread and your own way of thinking?
[quote]
as i have stated before, much of this is of almost an academic interest to me, to understand how and why some of what we think are must dos may nt be, and things we ignore may be critically important.
[/quote]
thats fine by me. I think you should be careful though not to fall into doubts which come from asking too many unneccessary questions.
[quote]
There is no harm in a discussion, is there?
[/quote]
only if it starts ruining the way people think and putting weird ideas into their heads..yikesss! i am soo outta here!
Re: Wearing Of Hijab Not Required By Quran: Egyptian Scholar
I go a step above, the problem starts earlier when weak hadeeth are interpreted incorrectly to become part and parcel of faith. Your point stands true as well..people should be seeking those who have the knowldge and ability to comment.
I have no needs or desires to twist a hadeeth to meet my needs. If i am not going to follow something, I will just not do it. I dont have to justify it to strangers on a website.
The point still is of discussion and exchange, and learning, challenging concepts..even if it means that the challenge fails, and one comes out a more informed person in the end.
Re: Wearing Of Hijab Not Required By Quran: Egyptian Scholar
Speaking of evil eyes, not to mention your prophet’s apparent disapproval of metrosexuals (ie the prophet cursed men who appear like women) that sure is one heck of an avatar you got there crescent.
Stay away from my daughter you sexy devil. Or should I say stay away from my son! lol
Re: Wearing Of Hijab Not Required By Quran: Egyptian Scholar
sorry this may be off topic but i have to remind those of you (not pointing fingers at anyone) who dont understand the importance of following the sunnah....what the Quran says about it...
"say (o Muhammed) if you (truly) love Allah, follow me! Allah will then forgive your sins..........." (3:31)
"........ he who obeys the messenger, has indeed obeyed Allah......." (4:79-80)
".......and whoever disobeys Allah and his MESSENGER and transgress his limits, He will cast him into the fire to abide therein and he shall have a disgraceful torment" (4:13-14)
*******sorry once again for being off topic....but i hate when ppl disregard the sunnah and try to make it look like it's not important to follow it to be a good muslim.*
Re: Wearing Of Hijab Not Required By Quran: Egyptian Scholar
I agree with all this, but my point still stands i.e. Sunnah is not 100% guaranteed, hadeeth is not 100% guaranteed. There is confusion, there are different interpretations, differet schols of thought, there are hadeeth that are tossed out, there are hadeeth that are considered weak..this leaves the dor open that there are other issues we are not aware of. Whether one follows hadeeth or not, the fact that I have listed stays.
Now one can post a few ayats as a respnse, but that is no response. nowhere in my post have I said one does not need to follow sunnah, the point is that its not error proof, and its not always clear. forget me…is there a consensus among muslim scholars on all hadeeth? on all interpretation? No, i.e. there is room in areas for interpretations and there is doubt.
If you cant understand that point or are not addressing it on purpose then I cant do much
Re: Wearing Of Hijab Not Required By Quran: Egyptian Scholar
sadly if we review discussions on religion less from a perspective of shutting ppl up, but more sharing knowledge, answering questions, and learning and teaching we would be much better. Shut people up, and what dooes it get you.. a shallow ‘victory’ but what does it do in terms of understanding and discussion..zilch. I guess its a matter of approach and perspective..
Re: Wearing Of Hijab Not Required By Quran: Egyptian Scholar
For centuries women have veiled after accepting Islam. Obviously people before us had better and closer interpretation of the Arabic language. Since the muslims came under un-Islamic rule all sorts of heretical interpretations have crept into our Islamic beliefs. Is this not enough for a muslim to realize. Can anyone quote scholars from centuries ago who have made any such statements concerning the veiling of women in Islam (i.e. covering the head not the Afghani style burqa). Only 20th century scholars who have grown up in the limelight of unIslamic rule come up with such interpretations.
Re: Wearing Of Hijab Not Required By Quran: Egyptian Scholar
people before us also may not have had aa reason to discuss the issue. For cewnturies women in saudi arabia in specific and middle east in general have been covering their faces...is there a precedence for it in quran or hadeeth?
so which heretical interpretations unde rnon islamic rule crept into that area? maybe they took it from the Brits.. right?
Re: Wearing Of Hijab Not Required By Quran: Egyptian Scholar
If you are looking for specific precedences in Quran and Hadith then I find it hard to believe how you could be doing anything along with the mainstream ummah dear brother. Hijab being one issue that you mention, should we all start praying different number of Rakah for prayers since there is no precedence for it in the Quran. When you present a certain line of reasoning then ensure it is not in conflict with some else you practice. For me the interpretations of the Quranic ayah to cover hair are not in conflict with anything in the Quran or Sunnah. Why is it that you are objecting to it then? None of the muslims objected to it till they wanted to assimilate themselves into western societies.
It is commonly said the closer to haram you are the more liable you are to get involved in it. So for those who cover there hair are farther away from indulging in other kinds of western modesty standards or skimpier clothing compared to those who do not cover the heads. When you start giving yourself some leeway it becomes a habit and you compromise more and more. After the head it is sleeveless, which you can see now all over Pakistan now. After sleeveless it is plunging necklines, which is also taking place in Pakistan and the Arab world. The next fad is probably showing off your belly, which is not commonplace yet but you can see it in our movie industry now. And it goes on and on ...
In Islam I'm sure you are aware that what leads to haram is also haram. And tell me why do you want your women to be showing off their hair, lets hear an answer. Is hair not part of a womans beauty, we have different hairdo's to enhance our image, is this not true. Well are you suggesting you want to see the enhancing of the image or have no concern with it.