As we all know there is a vast number of traditions narrated in honor of Sayyidna Ali K.W
However there are some widespread traditions about him which are very weak but very well known
e.g Birth in Ka’aba , which is not true and the Bab ul ilm hadith which is also a very weak tradition
I know in arabic there is a list of such traditions about him, I was hoping with the help of the knowledgable members we can make a list here.
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^ How about listing all the traditions we have heard and then note them as either weak or strong ... with reference to the authorities of course.
There is a tradition that Sayyiduna Ali (RA) had a sword called Dhul-Qifl which was a double pronged sword. Sahih or Daeef?
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^ Wasn't it Zulfiqaar ? name of his sword.
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Hmm … Yes … you are right 
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^ Ok thats a good idea
I have no idea ...btw some things are in Seerah and Maghazi not in Sahih hadith that does not automatically make them fabricated.Without magahzi a lot of details of battles will be lost,I was more interested traditions
E.g name of Ali's horse sword etc might not be backed by a sahih chain but its no reason to deny that it false as a lot of details of magahzi are not.However if someone claims this sword had magical powers then for sure their is a ulterior motive behind such a tradition and likely needs further investigation as its likely fabricated to project ALi over ABuBakr and Umar.
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Sorry
..ok so i dont know about dhulfiqar
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As we all know there is a vast number of traditions narrated in honor of Sayyidna Ali K.W However there are some widespread traditions about him which are very weak but very well known
e.g Birth in Ka'aba , which is not true and the Bab ul ilm hadith which is also a very weak tradition
I know in arabic there is a list of such traditions about him, I was hoping with the help of the knowledgable members we can make a list here.
Example.... Ali a.s being nafs-e-Rasool s.a.w, totally fabricated.
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Okay let me step in too,
Plz let me know about these traditions I usually hear in Majalis
Rasool Said to Ali " Your love is Taqwa and Ur Bugz is Munafiqat.
Whoever makes U happy makes me Happy, and whoever makes u angry makes me angry.
I m City of Knowledge and Ali is its Entrance.
Jiska Main Maula, Uska Ali Maula.
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^ # 3 is weak , #4 and # 1 are well known and supported narrations ( #1 is narrated differently though by various authorities like "we used to know the munafiqs by their hatred ofALi...etc " several sahaba have narrated it and its in Sahih muslim if im not mistaken ) of note this also occurs in honor of ansar.
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Example.... Ali a.s being nafs-e-Rasool s.a.w, totally fabricated.
Thanks bro, where is this tradition from ? I have not seen it
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hmmm.... I dunno, Quran ?
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hmmm.... I dunno, Quran ?
Ali is mentioned by name in Quran ?
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"Ali" is "present" in Quran.
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as in the sahabi ? by name ? please enlighten me
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u seem to know Quran more than me.... please enlighten us who is mentioned as Prophet s.a.w's nafs in Holy Quran ?