We should not be ignorant and should know the truth.

Pakistan economy has started deteriorating and corrupt thugs (Nawaz, Ishaq Dar, Ahsan Iqbal, Zardari etc) are using their goons in media to twist truth and cover their corruption, looting and mismanagement. At least we (people) should know the truth what is happening and ponder, so that we do not become ignorant ourselves.

A country’s survival is its economy as a bankrupt country may be in theory independent but in reality, that country is slave to whoever feeds that country. Some who are getting enough to eat and live nicely, as they are provided by hook or crook, do not care about economy of the country, as those who get effected most from bankrupt economy are poor, so these people may talk BS but fact is that the Army marches on their stomach (again it is economy that feeds the army) and poor of country survives on food (again it is economy that feeds the poor). Russia was big power but it collapsed as economy of the country gone down and Iraq may be economically strong but a country with bigger economy (USA) destroyed Iraq. Anyhow, how surprising and sad that when crooks come to power, everything starts changing very fast. Here is a summary of what happened during last 8 years and what has started happening to Pakistan economy:

Pakistan external debt situation:
Pakistan external debt was around 13 billion dollars when thugs’ period started in 1988. This dollar debt increased to 38 billion dollars by 1999 (an increase of around 3 times), or was increasing @ 10.25 percent a year. Once Musharraf came to power, external debt stopped increasing and was around 40 billion dollars at the end of last fiscal year (June 2007). A great achievement as Pakistan was paying over 3 billion dollar interest every year on debt that Pakistan inherited in 1999 and debt was not increasing even equal to interest (it increased @ 0.65 percent a year, even less than 1 percent a year).

[We should know that interest on dollar debt in 1999 was much higher, over $4 billion a year, but it got reduced because Mush government replaced many high interest dollar debts with low interest loan]

Pakistan Internal debt situation:
Pakistan internal debt was around 300 billion when thugs came to power in 1988 and they increased internal debt over 5 times to around Rs 1650 billion by 1999 (Musharraf came to power). That was an increase @ 16.85 percent a year. During last 8 years, Pakistan internal debt increased to Rs 2600 billion (end June 2007). When government works with commitment, corruptions stops and less stealing happens, comparative debt as well as interest rate starts going down … and interest rate did went down from over 20 percent pre-Musharraf period to below 8 percent … at times even 3 to 4 percent during last 8 years.

That means, debt marginally increased from Rs 1650 billion to Rs 2600 billion (1999 - 2007) @ 5.85 percent a year (marked difference between internal debt increasing at around 17 percent of Thugs’ period and 6 percent of efficient committed Musharraf period).

Ref: http://www.sbp.org.pk/ecodata/domesticdebtout.pdf

This debt increased by 411 billion to 3011.668 billion by March 2008. … Compare to 950 billion increases in 8 years (57.6 percent in 8 years), 400 billion increases in 9 months (15.4 percent in 9 months) is big increase. This shows that even when government is sincere, what crook political activists, characterless lawyers, immoral Journalists, corrupt judges, and civil-goons could do by destabilising government that these people did during last one year.

Well, it seems that old days are coming back fast and I would not be surprised when interest rate in Pakistan would again reach 15 to 20 percent for savings (as when government borrows heavily … and most of those borrowings goes in the bank accounts of corrupt politicians, debt as well as interest rate starts rising fast). Now look at the news from today’s newspaper (Dawn):

http://www.dawn.com/2008/05/30/ebr1.htm
Govt to float bond to raise Rs300bn: Budgetary support

[We should know that Thugs’ government of BB and NS took even Rs loan at very high interest rate (they were paying over 18 percent on Defence saving certificates, Mahana income certificates, and some Khas deposits certificates). Musharraf government reduced this interest a lot]

Note: We should also realise that most debt increases during last 8 years in both external and internal debt is due to not extra borrowing but due to payment of interest on past debts … Actually interest on past debts comes more than increase in total debt during last 8 years.

Pakistan Foreign exchange reserve:
Pakistan has seen unprecedented growth in foreign exchange reserves such that there was not a single year between 1999 and 2007 that Pakistan dollar reserve did not increased. Pakistan foreign exchange reserve was $16.486 billions at the end of Oct 2007 (and not only that, but it was rising every month). For instance at the end of:

June 2000: Pakistan dollar reserve was $1.9676 billions.
June 2001: Pakistan dollar reserve was $3.2195 billions.
June 2002: Pakistan dollar reserve was $6.4316 billions.
June 2003: Pakistan dollar reserve was $10.7190 billions.
June 2004: Pakistan dollar reserve was $12.3392 billions.
June 2005: Pakistan dollar reserve was $12.6234 billions.
June 2006: Pakistan dollar reserve was $13.1369 billions.
June 2007: Pakistan dollar reserve was $15.6114 billions.

And after 4 months from the end of last fiscal year,
Oct 2007: Pakistan dollar reserve was $16.486 billions.

Many do not know that Pakistan reserve reached very near to $4 billions even before 9/11.
(What a record of continuous rise in dollar reserve).

Now the situation has changed … on 24 May 2008 … reserve gone down to $11.512 billions, lower than what Pakistan had in June 2004, just above what Pakistan dollar reserve was in June 2003. Well, by end of May this reserve might be lower.

http://www.dawn.com/2008/05/30/ebr4.htm
Reserves fall to $11.512bn

KARACHI, May 29: Pakistan’s foreign reserves fell by $373 million to $11.512 billion in the week that ended on May 24, the central bank said on Thursday.

Reserves held by the State Bank of Pakistan fell to $9.061 billion from $9.5 billion a week earlier, while those held by commercial banks rose to $2.451 billion from $2.385 billion.—Reuters

Pakistan currency value:
Value of dollar effects Pakistan economy a lot. Strength and stability of currency is very important for a country’s economy. For instance, for every one rupee increase in value of dollar, Pakistan debt increases by over 40 billion rupees. Further, cost of interest on Pakistan external debt also goes up by around 4 billion rupees every year. Since value of dollar increased by around Rs 10 recently, it means Pakistan debt increased by around 400 billion rupee plus interest on external debt also gone up by around 40 billion rupees a year.

Increase in value of dollar also has impact on cost of oil and row material imports. That means increase in inflation as well as problem in industrial input. A country can control unwanted import with duty but devaluation means disaster for economy as well as well being of people.

Pakistan stock market:
Stock market tells health of an economy. Strong Stock market shows booming economy, confidence of investors as well as local and foreign investment. Stock market gets strength only when economy of country is booming, businesses in the country are booming and producing increase profit, plus confidence on future of country’s economy is positive. Market capitalisation of stock market shows the depth of investment in the country and wealth invested in Businesses. Value of a company in stock market gives collateral value to the company and helps companies raise capital for investment and expansion. This creates further prosperity in jobs in the country.

Pakistan stock market capitalisation in 1999 was similar to what it was in 1988. Well, compared to world standard, Karachi Stock market was a very small market in 1999 and could be easily manipulated. Total capitalisation value of Karachi Stock Market in 1999 was less than 250 billion rupees (less than $5 billion). Due to Musharraf government policy and booming Pakistan economy, Karachi Stock Exchange Market Capitalisation increased from below 250 billion rupees to 4800 billion rupees (around 20 times). Anyhow, recent crash in stock market that started on 21st April 2008, Market Capitalisation of KSE decreased to Rs 3700 billion, a loss of 1100 billion rupees. This crash is worse than crash of 2005 when KSE market capitalisation lost around 800 billion rupee … though in theory KSE had crash in 2005, but in reality there was no obvious crash because KSE even after that crash was one of the best performing Stock Market in world (Well, KSE was one of the best performing stock market in most years during Musharraf last 8 year rule.

Here is KSE performance of 2004 and 2005.

2004: KSE index started at 4472 … KSE ended 6218 … total gain 1746 or increased 39 percent over the year.
2005: KSE index started at 6218 … KSE ended 9556 … total gain 3338 or increased 53.7 percent over the year.

**Mystery behind 2005 crash: **
There was lot of propaganda by corrupt journalists and so called economists on media regarding crash of 2005. Government was accused of manipulated crash, scam, corruption and all sorts of malpractices. All denial went to deaf ears. Time passed still many remember that crash without knowing the truth, but it is best to know what really happened. Here is explanation:

KSE was around 4500 at the beginning of 2004. It kept increasing at reasonable pace and by beginning of Sept 2004, it reached 5300. Then uncertainty started regarding Musharraf shedding his uniform or not. It was expected that if Mush would shed his uniform we might see economical meltdown else Pakistan would keep growing at reasonable pace. News regarding uniform issue was uncertain and thus KSE went into wait-and-see mode, stayed around 5300 through Sept and Oct.

In November the news was mix, noises could get heard that Musharraf might not shed his uniform, and KSE gained few hundred points touching 5600 by end of Nov. As signal became stronger on uniform issue, KSE kept increasing to touch 6200 by end of December 2004.

[Actually, in early December I wrote to some of my friends to buy Shares quickly as it is most unlikely Mush is going to shed his uniform and that could push KSE berserk, but be prepared of losses if he sheds the uniform].

Anyhow, at the end of December, Musharraf declared that he would not shed uniform and as expected, KSE took that news favourably with lot of excitement. End of January, KSE was 6800. End of February, KSE was 8300. By March 20, KSE was around 9600.

Then reality started sinking in. KSE was 5300 in around early Nov 2004. Thus it increased around 80 percent in 4 and half months (Nov ‘04-20 Mar ‘05), big correction was due. KSE index started going down.

End of March, KSE was around 8000. End of April, KSE was 7100. End of May, KSE was around 6700 (still, over 25 percent higher than 5300 at the beginning of Nov 2004, a realistic gain).

Now, how this loss of 2900 points during 20th March and end of May is considered as manipulated (a scam), when it followed after huge increases in share prices and its low point was 25 percent higher than where it started (early Nov 2004, or equal to January 2005 level)? Well, its low point of 6700 in May 2005 was 50 percent higher than January 2004 (when KSE-Index was 4470, again a very good return).

Anyhow, investors felt that KSE-index gone down a lot and buying started bringing KSE up again such that by end of June KSE-index was 7500. By end of December 2005, KSE was 9500 (recovered all lost points and KSE was touching its maximum). I do not think that the movement shows any malpractices or scam as such movements in fast moving third world stock markets are normal. One should remember that regardless of that crash, KSE gained over 110 percent in two years between January 1, 2004 and December 31, 2005 (a fantastic gain by any standard), showing booming economical conditions in Pakistan.

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Bottom Line:

Pakistan has become the most sophisticated, developed, educated, and a rich country under the great leadership of Musharraf who is the best president after Governer General Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah :jhanda:

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Saleem,

Very comprehensive analysis and seems like a lot of research has gone into it.

Great!

Although its probably information overload and likely not many people on GS can actually process so much information to respond beyond one-liners, name-calling and copy-pastes. So I am afraid at the end of the day you will be sorely disappointed with the responses (unless you can send an SOS to your buddies Aalsi, Reza and Kehkashan etc)

I have two problems here. #1, I am not too knowledgable about such complicated macro-economic issues and #2, after your insightful comments after elections and the mind-boggling statistics that you were quoting about which party got more support in the people, your credibility in my mind is fairly low. So I can't trust all these claims nor am I about to go into a discussion on such a complex topic.

But let one person not distract you from your mission. Carry on... :)

Cheers!

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^Amen to that! I agree whole-heartedly.

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I wish you could also shed some light on things like NRO, why and how saints like Musharraf had to make deals with corrupts like Zardari and Nawaz Sharif. Oh BTW don't give us usual talk like "in the interest of nation" :), afterall every looter/khasooter also does it in the name of "best interest of nation" :).

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Surely economy was far better during 2001-2006 than 1990-2000 but still it was not on strong footings! As such due to international inflation in oil, edible oil and other things it is under great pressure these days.

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After the 1998 nuclear explosions, the economy took a deep slump so much so that there were many jobless engineers, doctors and professional accountants.

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And during 2005-2006, there was an acute shortage of chartered accountants in Pakistan partly due to better economy and partly due to their world wide demand.

What the general public wants is not to be told by some chartered accountant that the are better off....they need to see this in their daily lives....if you start giving these figures to a common man in the street he will probably become violent..

The problem of last few years in Pakistan has been deindustralisation of Pakistan and our exportable surpluses have eroded significantly...although Pakistan got a lot of fiscal relief after 9/11 due to our unconditional support in war against terror... and our economy started showing good numbers....but this was all temporary as non of these resources were spent on infra structure development or uplift of our nation....today we are still trying to find these billions of dollars where they were spent...Country will face a trade deficit of over 22 billion dollars this year....and with present oil prices this can increase to 30 billion dollars next year...with no new employment avenues being generated in last few years and in next few years in sight due to no new industry being set up in country specially due to non availability of any sort of energy input (for last ten years there was no energy policy in our country)...country is faced with two grave problems...

a) Rising unemployment...

b) With this huge trade deficit there is a big liklihood of unprcedented devaluation or erosion of value of our currency...thus increasing the inflation to unprecedented levels....already infaltion is a big problem globally....but in our country it will be multiplied due to devaluation of our currency...

Well, let see. There is a thread that says that Pakistan real per capita only grew by 1.8 percent during last 10 years. Let me clear that as well as clear the myth of 1998 nuclear test as Liar Daar keep hoodwinking people with lies that everything bad happened because of 1998 nuclear test. So, I will put down what per real capita growth happened before 1998 nuclear test (Note: fiscal year is July to June … and that means, when nuclear test happened in May 1998, nothing could have got effected until 1998 (or fiscal year that ends in June 1998.

[It would be surprising that Nawaz period seen three fiscal years. That is 1997, 98 and 99. More surprising is that Pakistan real per capita income decreased (was negative) during fiscal year 1996-97 and 1997-98. Only fiscal year real per capita increase was marginally positive happened in 1998-99, that was after nuclear test. Here is growth in Pakistan real per capita in between 1988 to 1999.

1996: Rs 5016 (start)
1997: Rs 4927 (negative growth in real per capita … decreased by 1.8 percent)
1998: Rs 4924 (negative growth in real per capita … however marginal)
1999: Rs 4992 (real per capita increased by 1.38 percent)

So, all BS of Pakistan suffered due to nuclear test by Liar goons of Ganja Thug (like Ishaaq Daar and Ahsan Iqbal) is nothing but propaganda to make ignorant Pakistanis fool.

Note: Ganja was also Prime Minister during fiscal year 1992-1993 and in that year also, Pakistan real per capita decreased:

1992: Rs 4849 (start)
1993: Rs 4658 (negative growth in real per capita … decreased by 4 percent)

**This shows that Ganja is a curse for Pakistani poor and Pakistani economy. He is only good for looting, plundering and getting hair do at the expense of Pakistan. **

Now coming to the mentioned article of this thread: 10 years that article refers to is from July ‘96 to June ‘06 (if you will read the actual report than you would know) and figures is low because real per capita actually decreased during those first 3 years (1996-1999) when Ganja crook Nawaz was ruling the country (apart of few earlier months as Nawaz came to power in Feb ‘97). Further, growth during earlier two years of Musharraf period was also low growth period as Shaukat Aziz used that period to consolidate the economy, still after such low first 5 years growth durining 1996-2006 (growth during these first 5 years were either negative or almost zero), still Pakistan managed 1.8 percent growth because Musharraf later period had very high growth rate.

Ref: http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/fbs/statis…unts/table3.pdf

For instance let see real per capita increase between 1996 to 1999 (period of Thug Nawaz Shareef rule):
1996: Rs 5016
1999: Rs 4992

Shows that real per capita income decreased (yes, it decreased) by Rs 24 over Rs 5016 in those unfortunate 3 years (included in that 10 years). That is real per capita income actually decreased by 0.5 percent in 3 years of Ganja Nawaz (on average, decreased by 0.17 percent per year during 1996 to 1999 … and negative growth in real per capita income for a poor country like Pakistan over extended period is such sin that those responsible should get hanged).

This is nothing to do with nuclear test as nuclear test happened at the end of May 1998 and Kargil in early 1999. So, if there could have been any effect because of nuclear test and Kargil war, then the effect would have been during Musharraf earlier periods (as his period is taken as starting from 1st of July 1999 … due to fiscal year starting in July 1999 and he took over in Oct 1999), but crook Nawaz economical period was bad throughout because he had no time for the country other than confrontations with institutions and looting the country.

Let see what happened to real per capita growth in Pakistan during Thugs periods (overall):

1988: Rs 4433 (start of Thugs period)
1999: Rs 4992 (end of Thugs period)

So, real per capita income increased by Rs 559 over Rs 4433 in 11 years.
That is real per capita increase of 12.61 percent in 11 years. On average, this increase in real per capita was 1.085 percent per year (or approximately 1 percent per year) from 1988 to 1999.

Now compare what happed once Musharraf took over: I am starting Musharraf period from 2000 to 2007: I excluded 1999-2000 because base rate change happened in year 2000 and if I will use start year as 1999 than due to rebasing I will have to readjust 1999 figure and if I would do that then some who do not understand anything about economical figures might say that I fiddled the figure (if not you, still most Nawaz thugs would do that). So, to exclude any doubt (barring ignorant thugs), I am using figure from 2000 as start period and would work the increase from there. Using start figure from 2000 to calculate percentage increases means that any effect of rebasing is excluded from figures quoted in percentage (so, please no BS about rebasing (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/smile.gif) ).

2000: Rs 27471 (start year)
2007: Rs 33678 (end year)

Shows that real per capita income increased by Rs 6207 over Rs 27471 in 7 years. That is real per capita increase of 22.6 percent in 7 years.

Thus on average, increase in real per capita was 2.95 percent per year during those 7 years from 2000 to 2007. So, one can see that real per capita started increasing at much faster rate.

Well, actually the story does not end there. Reality is that, earlier period of Musharraf was used for restructuring the economy and thus per capita did not increase much during first 2 to 3 years. So, if we use starting year as 2002 (year of election) then:

2002: Rs 28291 (start year)
2007: Rs 33678 (end year)

Shows that real per capita income increased by Rs 5387 over Rs 28291 in 5 years. That is real per capita increase of 19.04 percent in 5 years.

Thus on average, increase in real per capita income was 3.55 percent per year during those 5 years between 2002 to 2007.

That is not enough as Pakistan economy kept getting stronger year after year and this is result of last two years:

**2005-2006: Pakistan real per capita income increased @ 4.45 percent (from Rs 30695 to Rs 32060). **

2006-2007: Pakistan real per capita income increased @ 5.05 percent (from Rs 32060 to Rs 33678).

So, one can see that from negative per capita growth during Nawaz last period (3 years from 1996-1999) and very low growth during Thugs’ 11 year period, Musharraf government turned the economy and real per capita income started increasing at healthy rate such that at present the rate Pakistan started achieving in per capita real growth is of 5 percent per year. It is handsome increase but for how long? I do not know, as corrupt thugs have come back again.

Reference: All figures are official and from Pakistan National Accounts’ statistical department:

http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/fbs/statistics/national_accounts/table3.pdf

Our last exportable surplus was in 1955-56.

It is already looming.

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The bottom line is that economy is deteriorating (regardless of if it was better or worse during 90s) PERIOD. since you seem to know much about this issue, what is your opinion about getting out of this mess?
PS: can we stop this "who did what" and "who is bigger LUTAYRA" game for once and have a discussion about ISSUES and SOLUTIONS?

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Cutting unnecessary imports - edible oil - change in nations attittude
Controlling population
Spending on education
Cutting defence budget

For all that we need rule of law and true leaders of people.

:k:

In addition need to work on real employment generation by promoting business and industry and working on war footings for infrastructure development specially energy as no industry can ever be concieved without the availability of energy…

Agree to that but keep in mind that all these problems can't be resolved over night. (dun get me wrong here) If we start planning NOW, it take about 10 years to make a VISIBLE impact on population and lietracy.

At the moment the two major problems we have are POWER SHORTAGE and FOOD prices.

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Rice is $1200 per ton
Wheat is $600 per ton

Export all our rice and import wheat.

Cut down electricity use.

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Ghee tail ka istimal kam say kam kiya jayee! Takay hamay soybean, palm aur canola import na karna parey.

Remember queues in front of utility stores back in December? no point of exporting it if we can't feed ourselves 1st.

Cutting down, hmmm upto 10 hours of loadshedding is a FORCED cut down of use, but it has negative effects on economy. Industrial units can't operate to their full capacity which results in a down fall in production. less production means less revenue.

IMO private sector should be encouraged to jump in mass energy production and in the mean time government should concentrate on mega projects for future energy needs.

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Pakistan's staple food is wheat not rice. If we can get a better price for that we should export it and import wheat. At the same time the governement should control smuggling of wheat.

Most of the industrial areas in Karachi are exempt from load shedding.