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ravage · February 7, 2011, 3:06pm

Indonesians lynch ahmedies too.

Secret Film Records Ahmadiyah Attack in Indonesia

Scenes from a video reportedly filmed in secret during the bloody attack on members of the Ahmadiyah sect in Banten on Sunday have begun circulating.

The clip, broadcast on Metro TV, shows police officers offering little resistance to the 1,500 strong crowd, many of whom are armed with bamboo sticks, machetes or rocks.

In another scene prior to the attacks, a plain clothes officer is filmed attempting to persuade a group of 21 Ahmadiyah members guarding a house belonging to Ahmadiyah cleric Ismail Suparman to leave the premises.

He warns that a mob is on the way to the village.

When negotiations fail the mob stormed the village, with police failing to even erect a barricade to prevent clashes.

“Police get out. Burn these Ahmadiyah people!” one man shouts.

The mob is then filmed attacking the house with rocks as the people inside are forced to flee for their lives.

The mob then began to chase down the scattered Ahmadiyah members.

The three people who were killed were identified as Roni, 30, Mulyadi, 30, and Tarno, 25. Five other Ahmadiyah members were severely wounded in the incident.

The video is on youtube, I wont embed because its too graphic (people surrounding a man in mud on his face hitting him with sticks shouting Allahu Akbar). Search for indonesia ahmadiya and limit to this month.

kaka_in_usa · February 7, 2011, 6:32pm

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.darn it. from the title of this thread, i thought you were talking about discovery of some aliens life forms

bitter · February 7, 2011, 6:36pm

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so?

Captain1 · February 7, 2011, 8:10pm

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me too

chacha_Ghalib · February 7, 2011, 10:16pm

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yeah so what. a few ahmadis here and there. no big deal. allahu akbar

EyEsOnSkY · February 8, 2011, 3:38am

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InnaLillahe wa InnaElehi Rajeun

kchughtai · February 8, 2011, 4:16am

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InnaLillahe wa InnaElehi Rajeun. a very sad and tragic incident. It has always been sort of tradition of Ahmadiyya community that on such incidents, they don't go violent or go for revenge but always try to find refuge in their God Almighty. Show patience and pray and history has shown us that Allah has always shown his signs and shown His displeasure in His own way on such brutal acts. So certainly you are not alone in inviting wrath of Allah. congrats.

shami2k · February 8, 2011, 5:56am

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Sad. I hope killers face justice.

shami2k · February 8, 2011, 5:58am

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What do you mean so? You don't find this appalling? Killing people because of their beliefs?

ahmadjee · February 8, 2011, 5:44pm

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Actually Bangladesh is in the line up too. But there, they just vandalized and burned Ahmadi mosques a couple of years back, banned books and recently started banning open Ahmadi gatherings. No one is actually martyred ... yet.

Naabigh · February 8, 2011, 7:57pm

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It was actually sickening and disgusting to see those religious mobs chanting ' Allah O akbar ' - Allah or his final prophet Muhammad PBUH have never asked Muslims to kill another human being , if he/she bears a different religion/creed or faith !

May all these sick individuals involved in this gruesome act get punished in this world and the hereafter ! Ameen

Faris_Udeen · February 8, 2011, 8:40pm

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Oh When I read the title I thought… nevermind.

Okay I am known for lets say not quite agreeing to what the Ahmedi doctrine says, and yes my views with regard to the sect are well known… ahem

However even for one like myself and I have to point out I am no stranger to violence I was utterly appalled by what I saw.

I have no love for the Ahmedi sect and doubtless most Ahmedi’s would probably be happy to fry me to… however i have come to learn much about thier beliefs and customs and if it’s possible for a Kafir and Muslim to be friends then I had no problem befreinding and even calling many an Ahmedi my bhai and bhehen.

I will strongly condemn any violence against any minority group regardless of their belief. This is not some defence of Islam it’s a mockery of our faith.

That Ahemedi man did not deserve the punishment he got, in fact i am even more appalled that a police or security officer did not stop that mob. I for one would have stopped it right there if I could.

Hatred is one thing but murder is not ever acceptable.

I give my condolonces to the Ahmedi community and pray you guys can forgive me, while I am not one of you, I sort of know how many of you must feel right now.

Inna lillahi wa ina ilayhi rajeeon. Regardless of that mans belief he died a martyr and I recognise that at least.

To those who do not see the Ahmedi as humans they deserve to be flogged till they see some sense.

Naabigh · February 8, 2011, 8:58pm

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Faris_Udeen:

Oh When I read the title I thought… nevermind.

Okay I am known for lets say not quite agreeing to what the Ahmedi doctrine says, and yes my views with regard to the sect are well known… ahem

However even for one like myself and I have to point out I am no stranger to violence I was utterly appalled by what I saw.

I have no love for the Ahmedi sect and doubtless most Ahmedi’s would probably be happy to fry me to… however i have come to learn much about thier beliefs and customs and if it’s possible for a Kafir and Muslim to be friends then I had no problem befreinding and even calling many an Ahmedi my bhai and bhehen.

I will strongly condemn any violence against any minority group regardless of their belief. This is not some defence of Islam it’s a mockery of our faith.

That Ahemedi man did not deserve the punishment he got, in fact i am even more appalled that a police or security officer did not stop that mob. I for one would have stopped it right there if I could.

Hatred is one thing but murder is not ever acceptable.

I give my condolonces to the Ahmedi community and pray you guys can forgive me, while I am not one of you, I sort of know how many of you must feel right now.

Inna lillahi wa ina ilayhi rajeeon. Regardless of that mans belief he died a martyr and I recognise that at least.

To those who do not see the Ahmedi as humans they deserve to be flogged till they see some sense.

Some how I also feel the Ahmedhis are not helping themselves either - Their policies are making them more isolated !

aaliyahkhan1 · February 8, 2011, 9:02pm

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Very sad...In Egypt Christians and Muslims are protecting each other during prayer times and here you see something disgusting!!!!

Faris_Udeen · February 8, 2011, 9:24pm

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I agree with you there...

But at the same time Ahmedi's and Muslims as a whole must unite in condemning rampant violence.

Violence is not the face of Islam, true Islam is a faith of braves but it's also a faith of art, wisdom and above all unity in faith.

At the end of the day no one should be beaten to death by a mob for belief alone, sure if crime is commited then that is debateable but to kill simply over difference of belief is wrong.

ZulfiOKC · February 8, 2011, 10:01pm

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As a human being, we should all denounce the lynching of innocent people in the strongest words.

chacha_Ghalib · February 15, 2011, 4:09pm

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what kind of policies?

Med911 · February 15, 2011, 11:30pm

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Or the lynching of anyone, innocent or guilty!

CEO1 · February 15, 2011, 11:38pm

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You don't believe in the death penalty?

CEO1 · February 15, 2011, 11:39pm

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This is very sad and completely wrong and out of order. I hope those criminals are appropriately punished.