assalamalaikum.
the permisibility of waseela was proved long back, so, waseela can be taken of any good person or act. waseela is permisable and recommended (as clarified earlier in the light of quran and hadees) its your faith of whose waseela you seek for.
when it comes to recognizing an awliya there is no special feature. they look like any normal person. and very important thing to be known is that one who does karamat is not necessarily an awliya because ability of karamat can be attained by a person who is on the verge of becoming an awliya.
and most important sign of an awliya is that they are mureed of gausul azam dastageer.
some awliya are awliya by birth, some attain that position by hardship, some may suddenly ignite the fire of iman and attain that position.
whoever attains wilayat he gets it through imam ali or his aal (gausul azam).
and a very beautiful fact is that through the waseela of awliyas people will be removed from hell and be put in heaven. (mentioned in hadees).
awliya may not necesarily be ones who perform salaah or pay zakat or do hajj. awliya are the ones who have emptied their hearts and it is now filled with love for prophet muhammed s.a.w.
there are many detailed books written by awliyas about awliyas.
waseela is a permisable act my brother, seek for wasila insha allah our dua will be accepted.
assalamalaikum.
the permisibility of waseela was proved long back, so, waseela can be taken of any good person or act. waseela is permisable and recommended (as clarified earlier in the light of quran and hadees) its your faith of whose waseela you seek for.
when it comes to recognizing an awliya there is no special feature. they look like any normal person. and very important thing to be known is that one who does karamat is not necessarily an awliya because ability of karamat can be attained by a person who is on the verge of becoming an awliya.
and most important sign of an awliya is that they are mureed of gausul azam dastageer. **
**some awliya are awliya by birth, some attain that position by hardship, some may suddenly ignite the fire of iman and attain that position.
whoever attains wilayat he gets it through imam ali or his aal (gausul azam). **
and a very beautiful fact is that through the waseela of awliyas people will be removed from hell and be put in heaven*. (mentioned in hadees).
**awliya may not necesarily be ones who perform salaah or pay zakat or do hajj.* awliya are the ones who have emptied their hearts and it is now filled with love for prophet muhammed s.a.w.
there are many detailed books written by awliyas about awliyas.
waseela is a permisable act my brother, seek for wasila insha allah our dua will be accepted.
Astaghfirullah.
A person who does not even fulfill basic islamic duties..will get people into Jannah...wah wah
Check the red text in ur quoted post. U say ‘person and act’ I say only ‘act’, more persistency I say a ‘copied act’ from the Sunnah, Sunnah of our beloved Prophet Muhammad as mentioned in Quran and hadith.
To explain this I already quoted few verses which didn’t brought ur kind attention towards it so again i’ll quote some verses and hadith from a website (as reference) for ur information and hope u will review it and reconsider about permissibility or impermissibility of ‘waseelah’.
**TRUST AND ACCOUNTABILITY **
Sermon: “Oh people, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Remember that you will indeed appear before God and answer for your actions.”
Quran: “If anyone killed a person unless it is for a murder or spreading mischief on earth it would be as it he killed the whole mankind, and if anyone who saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of whole mankind” (5:32). “Then on that day not a soul will be wronged in the least and you shall but be prepaid in the needs of your past deeds” (36:54).
**FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS **
Sermon: “Return the things kept with you as trust (amanah) to their rightful owners.”
Quran: “If one of you entrusts (something) the one who has been entrusted with it should hand over his security and he should heed God and not hide any testimony. Anyone who hides it-has a sinfull heart” (2:283).
**INTEREST (RIBAH) **
Sermon: “All dues of interest shall stand cancelled and you will have only your capital back. Allah has forbidden interest, and I cancel the dues of interest payable to may uncle Abbas ibn Abdul Muttalib.”
Quran: “You who believe fear God and write off anything that remains outstanding from lending at interest if you are (true) God and His Messenger If you repent you may retail your principal do not wrong and you will not be wronged” (2:278).
**TREATMENT OF WIFE (SPOUSE) **
Sermon: "Oh people, your wives have a certain right over you and you have a certain right over them. Treat them well and be kind to them for they are your committed partners and commited helpers.
Quran: “Provide for them the rich according to his income and the poor according to his means, a provision according to the custom. This is an obligation for those who act kindly” (2:236). “Treat them politely even if you dislike them,. Perhaps you dislike something in which God has placed much good” (4:19).
**WARNING ABOUT SATAN **
Sermon: “Beware of Satan, he is desperate to divert you from the worship of God so beware of him in matters of your way of life.”
Quran: “Verily Satan is an enemy to you so treat him as an enemy. He only invites his followers that they may become companions of the blazing fire” (35:6).
**BROTHERHOOD **
Sermon: “Oh you people listen carefully. All the believers are brothers. You are not allowed to the things belonging to another Muslim unless he give it to you willingly.”
Quran: “Believers are but brothers so set things right between your brothers and fear God so that you may find mercy” (49: 1 0).
**SUPERIORITY IS ONLY IN PIETY AND SUBMISSION **
Sermon: “Oh people, no one is higher than the other unless he is higher in obedience to God. No Arab is superior to a non-Arab except in piety.”
Quran:“The most honored among you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you and God has full knowledge and is will acquainted (with all things)” (49:134). “Who can be better in religion than he who submits his whose self to God, does good and follows the ways of abraham for God did take Abraham for a friend” (4:125).
**IN ORDER TO BE SUCCESSFUL WE MUST OBEY BOTH GOD AND HIS MESSENGER **
Sermon: “Oh people, reflect on my words. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example and if you follow these, you will not fail.”
Quran: “And obey God and the Messenger so that you may receive mercy” (3:132).
**OBSERVE THE PILLARS OF ISLAM **
Sermon: “Listen to me carefully. Worship God and offer prescribed prayer, observe fasting in the month of Ramadan and pay the poor-due.”
Quran: “And establish the prescribed prayer, practice regular charity and bow down with those who bow down” (2:43). “Oh you who believe, fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you that you may learn self-restraint” (2:183).
**DUTIES REGARDING THOSE WORKING UNDER US **
Sermon: “Oh people, be mindful of those who work under you. Feed and clothe them as you feed and clothe yourselves.”
Quran: “Act kindly just as God treated you kindly” (28:77). “God has favored some of you over their provisions to those whom their right hand controls so that they become equal (partners) in it. Would they thus disclaim God’s favor” (16:71).
**MUHAMMAD WAS THE LAST PROPHET **
Sermon: “Oh people, no prophet or messenger will come after me and no new faith will emerge.”
Quran: “Muhammad is not the father of any of you men but he is God’s Messenger and the Seal of Prophets. God is aware of everything” (33:40).
**OUR DUTY IS TO SPREAD THE MESSAGE OF THE PROPHET (QURAN) **
Sermon: "All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again (and people did).
Quran: “Oh Messenger, communicate whatever has been sent down to you by your Lord. If you do not do so, you will not have conveyed his message” (5:67).
Sermon: Have I conveyed the Message of God to you? asked the Prophet facing towards the heavens. The audience answered in one voice, “You have, God is the witness.”
Quran: As the Messenger finished the following revelation came to him, “Today I have perfected your religion for you, completed my favors upon you and have chosen for you Islam as the way of life for you” (5:3).
@ lethal
where is impermissibility of wasila?
i have just one tiny challenge.
show me where it is written that wasila is impermisable?
you will keep on reading and reading and reading and you'll find wasila permisable.
you can carry on with your investigation and hair splitting efforts but you can not change what is right.
assalamalaikum
are you blind or you dont understand what you read?
the very quoted verses in that link too prove the concept of wasila.
seek the means (wasila) to approach.
cant you read this?
And they
were the ones who sought a
means (wasila) of nearness to their
Lord…”
cant you read this?
and didnt i proved the permisability of wasila with giving reference to a beautiful hadees of prophet muhammed s.a.w.
there is difference in wasila for ibadat and wasila for dua.
wasila for ibadat are the various categeries of ibadat.
wasila for dua is not the same as ibadat.
you are mixing up ibadat and dua.
maybe you should read this.
sahih muslim 1:110
sahih bukhari 2:971
very beautifully wasila is shown in those chapters.
read it then tell me if wasila is permisable or not.
Ok i am a Christian but i have been going to Local Masjid to learn about Islam. So here is my take and what my teacher told me:
-Asking assistance from other than Allah is shirk. I.e, in my religion people worship Jesus and he is not suppose to worshipped just because he was a messeger. Jesus's duty was to conway God's message on earth that is all.
But my question to Muslims here is that Prophet Muhammed said in one of his "saying" or "hadeeth" that when you make dua, praise Prophet Muhammed and then ask for whatever from God. So since i am not Muslim, can i praise Jesus as a messenger of God and pray to God that way?
(I will ask this question from my teacher tommorow inshalah but i really wanted to know what do other Muslims think about this?)
Dear friends, where is sense in arguing endlessly over things. we should learn to understand how the universe works. Allah has set up laws to govern all affairs and that is how Allah disposes of all affairs.
islam is all about nation building and collective effort of people. why are we people only interested in make beliefs why not learn about laws of nature? in this day and age we are taking Allah as a baby playing wit toys, where is sense in all this? We should grow up mentally if we want to succeed in learning and understanding the divine message.
Why we think all should organise and work in a nice way yet we expect Allah to act senselessly? have we people no brains? whenever sensible people do anything they think over it and plan and act on the plan. Anyone who does anything first and then thinks is deemed stupid, so why Allah has to do things in a way that make no sense because one minute he does things one way and the next minute another way and another minute another way, where does that leave us the mankind other than in confusion and in a big mess? do we like anyone who does things in a way tat makes no sense to us?
If Allah has set by law that fire is for burning things why we must believe that it does not burn and put our hands in it? We must not accept two opposing laws at work on same thing at the same time or there is no end to confusion. The confusion about anything stops us from understanding it and if we do not understand things we cannot work with them. let us suppose the fire works haphazardly, one minute hot the next minute cold, can we then depend on it for anything? what does our experience in life count for? absolutely nothing. it is because you cannot rely on anything that keeps changing its behaviour without any reason.
we need to question our baseless beliefs that are full of contradictions. there is no sense in arguing if we ourselves do not have any clue about things we are arguing over.
Ok i am a Christian but i have been going to Local Masjid to learn about Islam. So here is my take and what my teacher told me:
-Asking assistance from other than Allah is shirk. I.e, in my religion people worship Jesus and he is not suppose to worshipped just because he was a messeger. Jesus's duty was to conway God's message on earth that is all.
But my question to Muslims here is that Prophet Muhammed said in one of his "saying" or "hadeeth" that when you make dua, praise Prophet Muhammed and then ask for whatever from God. So since i am not Muslim, can i praise Jesus as a messenger of God and pray to God that way?
(I will ask this question from my teacher tommorow inshalah but i really wanted to know what do other Muslims think about this?)
Dear pakiQueen, if you can understand urdu I have posted enough material from which you can understand islam better than any molvi sb in the masjid unless that sb is highly thinking person himself. People just answer questions by reading books of their ancestors. This happens not only with muslims but also with all of us human beings till we make our own effort to understand things.
If you do not understand urdu please see my posts in english, you will have to search them out because they are scattered all over. Don't accept what I say, look for rules for understanding things and see what makes sense and what does not the way it is supposed to be put together. a thing is only good if it works, if it does not then see why it does not. In case of divine message it is always highly likely that someone has shown his human nature ie one has explained it wrongly and if you can explain it rightly then you have done your home work.
Ok i am a Christian but i have been going to Local Masjid to learn about Islam. So here is my take and what my teacher told me:
-Asking assistance from other than Allah is shirk. I.e, in my religion people worship Jesus and he is not suppose to worshipped just because he was a messeger. Jesus's duty was to conway God's message on earth that is all.
But my question to Muslims here is that Prophet Muhammed said in one of his "saying" or "hadeeth" that when you make dua, praise Prophet Muhammed and then ask for whatever from God. So since i am not Muslim, can i praise Jesus as a messenger of God and pray to God that way?
(I will ask this question from my teacher tommorow inshalah but i really wanted to know what do other Muslims think about this?)
in islam there is no restriction in asking from prophets and awliya or even in your religion of isa a.s there is no restriction in seeking help from jesus. but we must know that jesus or prophet muhammed s.a.w or any other giver gives us from the almighty.
if you are learning islam from some teacher then first you must be sure that he himself is following the right path because there are many sects emerging in islam which totally self satidfyingly off the tract led by the beloved s.a.w. so first make sure that your teacher understands islam or is he just a scholar who has studied to recite quranic and hadees verses.
& Peace,
as mentioned in Quran and hadith.