Coz Allah SWT apne haqooq to Maff kar dega per haqooqul ibad nahi...
Even agar koi parents Muslim hai jinke chote bacho Ki death ho gae hai and unho ne haqooqul Mai bohot kotahi Ki ho Kia wo bhi bina kisi hisab kitab ya saza ke apne bacho Ki waja se janat Mai jayen ge???
I know that's a different topic but there no harm to discuss here...
It was narrated
from 'Uthman bin Hunaif that a
blind man came to the Prophet
( ﻰﻠﺻ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﻪﻟﺁﻭ ﻪﻴﻠﻋ ﻢﻠﺳﻭ ) and said:
"Pray to Allah to heal me." He said:
"If you wish to store your reward
for the Hereafter, that is better, or
if you wish, I will supplicate for
you." He said: "Supplicate." So he
told him to perform ablution and
do it well, to pray two Rak'ah, and
to say this supplication:
"Allahumma lnni as'aluka wa
atawajjahu ilaika bimuhammadin
nabiyyir-rahma. Ya Muhammadu
inni qad tawajjahtu bika ila rabbi fi
hajati hadhihi lituqda. Allahumma
fashaffi’hu fiya (O Allah, I ask
of You and I turn my face
towards You by virtue of the
intercession of Muhammad the
Prophet of mercy. O Muhammad,
I have turned to my Lord by
virtue of your intercession
concerning this need of mine so
that it may be met. O Allah,
accept his intercession
concerning me)" .
[Sunnan Ibn Majah, Book of Iqamat
al-salat wa al-sunnat, Ch. on Salat
al-hajat #1385]
I still couldn't understand the concept behind 'waseela'. Here are some examples that are understandable and I think are not shirk. :
1) Asking a 'naik' person or an elder who cares about you to pray for you
2) dua somewhat like
'Aye Allah (swt) hum tere pyare nabi kay mannanay aur pairwi karnay waloon main say hain. so hamari kotahioon say sarfe nazar kar aur hamari dua qabool farma'
3) Shifaat of the holy prophet (pbuh) on the judgment day. but remember there is a list of those people about whom the prophet (pbuh) has said that they are 'not from us or don't belong to us'. rest could be candidates
I am not able to understand how is that a valid dua that
"Aye Allah SWT tu apne is naik bande ke waseele se hamari yeh hajat puri farma...". if that person was pious and all that what is your contribution and how does it benefit you. what is the link
Also calling upon dead ones for your 'hajjaat' is not right. The dead ones can't hear you directly but Allah can. so pray to Allah alone.
asking dua from sahib-e-Mazar is shirk per Allah SWT se uske naik bando ke waseele ae mangna to * I think * shirk nahi .
I dont know how far is that true, but mujhay anjanay me bhi shirk se darr lagta hay. Allah hum sab ko iss se bachaaye. Ofcourse koi Muslim nahin chahay ga ke wo shirk karay.
As far as about dua, main hamesha Mohammad Mustafa S.A.W ke sadqay main mangti hun. Allah hum sab ki sheh-rag se bhi zada qareeb hay, aur uss se maangnay k liye mujhay kisi ki zaroorat nahin hay........... wo naik banday bhi Allah se maangtay thay......... beshak un naik bando ki qadar kerti hun, izzat kerti hun aur ye khuahish rakhti hun ke Allah ne jesi apni mohabbat UNKE dilo main jagaayi, mere bhi dil main jagaaye, magar main samajhti hun ke Allah se maangnay k liye mujhay kisi ke saharay ki zaroorat nahin hay. Wo Maira Allah hay. Aur wo sattar maaon se zada chahta hay apnay banday ko. Agar mujhay apni Maa se kuch chahye hota hay to main seedha unhee ke paas jati hun, mujhay kisi ki zaroorat nahin hoti ISI tarhan mujhay Allah se kuch mangna hota hay to me Allah ke pas jati hun, wo mairay bohat qareeb hay aur mujhay bharosa hay mukammal ke Allah se main jab jab baat kerti hun, wo meri baat ZAROOR sun raha hota hay!!
Moreover in that hadith a ‘person’ asked our ‘Prophet Muhammad ’, so by mentioning that hadith, are you trying to equal the rank of an ordinary person with the rank of a ‘Prophet’? Just do when thing. Quote a hadith where Prophet Muhammad ordered us to ask for waseela.
and maybe I do not have knowlege of Islam or my knowlege is less. Kindly correct me.
It was narrated
from 'Uthman bin Hunaif that a
blind man came to the Prophet
( ﻰﻠﺻ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﻪﻟﺁﻭ ﻪﻴﻠﻋ ﻢﻠﺳﻭ ) and said:
"Pray to Allah to heal me." He said:
"If you wish to store your reward
for the Hereafter, that is better, or
if you wish, I will supplicate for
you." He said: "Supplicate." So he
told him to perform ablution and
do it well, to pray two Rak'ah, and
to say this supplication:
"Allahumma lnni as'aluka wa
atawajjahu ilaika bimuhammadin
nabiyyir-rahma. Ya Muhammadu
inni qad tawajjahtu bika ila rabbi fi
hajati hadhihi lituqda. Allahumma
fashaffi’hu fiya (O Allah, I ask
of You and I turn my face
towards You by virtue of the
intercession of Muhammad the
Prophet of mercy. O Muhammad,
I have turned to my Lord by
virtue of your intercession
concerning this need of mine so
that it may be met. O Allah,
accept his intercession
concerning me)" .
[Sunnan Ibn Majah, Book of Iqamat
al-salat wa al-sunnat, Ch. on Salat
al-hajat #1385]
wasile se mangna sunnat hai.
Mere bhai is (hadith) mein Sunnat konsa fa'il hy???
Mere bhai is (hadith) mein Sunnat konsa fa'il hy???
I still couldn't understand the concept behind 'waseela'. Here are some examples that are understandable and I think are not shirk. :
1) Asking a 'naik' person or an elder who cares about you to pray for you
2) dua somewhat like
'Aye Allah (swt) hum tere pyare nabi kay mannanay aur pairwi karnay waloon main say hain. so hamari kotahioon say sarfe nazar kar aur hamari dua qabool farma'
3) Shifaat of the holy prophet (pbuh) on the judgment day. but remember there is a list of those people about whom the prophet (pbuh) has said that they are 'not from us or don't belong to us'. rest could be candidates
I am not able to understand how is that a valid dua that
"Aye Allah SWT tu apne is naik bande ke waseele se hamari yeh hajat puri farma...". if that person was pious and all that what is your contribution and how does it benefit you. what is the link
Also calling upon dead ones for your 'hajjaat' is not right. The dead ones can't hear you directly but Allah can. so pray to Allah alone.
oh so you think you are able to connect to allah directly?
well has allah ever connected you directly?
when allah himself choose a path (prophets) to connect to all humans how can we being mere servants connect to our almighty creator directly?
look brother almighty allah never came to us instead he sent his beloved prophet s.a.w on earth to convey his msgs to us, to teach us about right nd wrong, to teach us namaz, infact to inform us that our creator is allah.
and that very prophet s.a.w has taught us to pray wit waseela and you tryin to deny him and wage war against the creator?
read, understand then reply.
im not trying to equal anybody to my loving prophet s.a.w
anybody cannot do it because his s.a.w rutbah is so buland that nobody on earth can ever define it.
and im not talkin about waseela of any ordinary person im talkin about awliyas and awliya is no ordinary person my brother.
it is 100% clear that waseela is jahiz
so, we can surely take waseela of the pious servants of allah it is not haram nor shirk.
-------X case closed--------X
oh so you think you are able to connect to allah directly?
well has allah ever connected you directly?
when allah himself choose a path (prophets) to connect to all humans how can we being mere servants connect to our almighty creator directly?
look brother almighty allah never came to us instead he sent his beloved prophet s.a.w on earth to convey his msgs to us, to teach us about right nd wrong, to teach us namaz, infact to inform us that our creator is allah.
and that very prophet s.a.w has taught us to pray wit waseela and you tryin to deny him and wage war against the creator?
read, understand then reply.
yeh to sawal gandum jawab chana ho gaya.
Yes we can invoke Allah's help directly. thats what we do when we pray, when we offer namaz. have you ever pondered that namaz is a set of 'duas'. In each dua, we address Allah(swt) directly from fatiah to 'rab-e-ja-alni...' and 'rabbana aatina..'. Where do we use 'waseela' in namaz? Even the durood that we read for our holy prophet (pbuh), we address Allah directly. enough evidence? or do I need to quote quranic verses on this topic
the things you are talking about are totally different. Yes Allah has kept Himself latent and guided the humanity through His chosen divinely guided men. The guidance was meant for humans so the prophets and messengers were also humans. The prophets and messengers set personal examples before the followers so the people know how to lead a good life. Moreover, if Allah has guided each one of us Himself what would be the test then? He want us to make conscious decisions as what path should be followed
nice said but still the point is proved that waseela is jahiz nd now in the light of quran lets prove that wasila is wajib.
Allah says in Quran Surah Al maidah ayat no
35
﴿ ﺎَﻬُّﻳَﺄَـَﻳ ْﺍﻮُﻨَﻣﺍَﺀ َﻦﻳِﺬَّﻟﺍ ْﺍﻮُﻘَّﺗﺍ َﻪَّﻠﻟﺍ ْﺍﻮُﻐَﺘْﺑﺍَﻭ ِﻪﻴَﻟِﺇ َﺔَﻠﻴِﺳَﻮْﻟﺍ
ﻰِﻓ ْﺍﻭُﺪِﻬـَﺟَﻭ ْﻢُﻜَّﻠَﻌَﻟ ِﻪِﻠﻴِﺒَﺳ َﻥﻮُﺤِﻠْﻔُﺗ
O you who believe! Have Taqwa of Allah and
seek the Wasilah to Him, and strive hard in His
cause, so that you may be successful.
in the above verse allah is ordering us to seek wasila so that we can reach his prophet s.a.w and trough his prophet we can reach our creator allah. so whoever now denies wasila actually denies what allah said.
read, understand and reply.
Yes we can invoke Allah's help directly. thats what we do when we pray, when we offer namaz. have you ever pondered that namaz is a set of 'duas'. In each dua, we address Allah(swt) directly from fatiah to 'rab-e-ja-alni...' and 'rabbana aatina..'. Where do we use 'waseela' in namaz? Even the durood that we read for our holy prophet (pbuh), we address Allah directly. enough evidence? or do I need to quote quranic verses on this topic
the things you are talking about are totally different. Yes Allah has kept Himself latent and guided the humanity through His chosen divinely guided men. The guidance was meant for humans so the prophets and messengers were also humans. The prophets and messengers set personal examples before the followers so the people know how to lead a good life. Moreover, if Allah has guided each one of us Himself what would be the test then? He want us to make conscious decisions as what path should be followed
yes pls pls pls show me where in quran has my allah made wasila a shirk or haram. you may not find it in quran so try searching in hadees but i know you will not find it there too. instead you will find in quran and hadees orders to use wasila. so go ahead. good luck.
The hadith u quoted earlier means that a person came to Prophet and He made dua for him to Almighty Allah. That means Prophet directly asked Almighty Allah. It is between Prophet and Allah, right?
So the another thing is that the person approached to Prophet and asked to do dua for him from Almighty Allah. If so than one should go to a Prophet (by making him as 'waseelah) to do dua for him from Almighty Allah but alas Prophet is the seal of all Prophet a.s. so there is none for us. I think this point is done here.
Moreover if Prophet made dua to Almighty Allah for that person than its means the ‘waseela’ from whom Prophet is asking is Almighty Allah. So if we follow the sunnah (as u said earlier its sunnah) of our Prophet Muhammad than we are in fact asking directly from Almighty Allah that ‘Ya Allah! fla fla pr raham kr’ boly to ‘waseela’ is Almighty Allah ko banaya pr us shaks ke liyeh jis k liyeh dua karni hy. This match with S#2. I think it is Sunnah than.
In the above verse Almighty Allah ordered us to seek ‘wasila’. “Wasila” translated by ‘Pickthall’, ‘Yusuf Ali’, and ‘Shkir’ are:
And seek the way of approach unto Him
And seek the means of approach unto Him
And seek means of nearness to Him
In the same Holy Qur’an, Almighty Allah told us how be near (to seek the way to approach) to Almighty Allah in Chapter 4 Verse 80: “He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian.”
I highlighted some words in colors and if you read and understand all 3 points than u’ll know that in the hadith, what Prophet Muhammad did (made dua to Allah for a person) is an ‘act (sunnah)’, so one who do same act it actually doing/following ‘Sunnah’, of a Prophet . Doing/following the Sunnah means obeying the Messenger so “He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah.”
the verse 5:35 does not talk about an intermediary between man and Allah but it talks about the ways we can seek nearness to Him as highlighted by LKK. I would like to add following phrases from tafsir ibn-e-kathir in exposition of this verse:
....
Sufyan Ath-Thawri said that Talhah said that Ata said that Ibn Abbas said that; Wasilah means `the means of approach'.
Mujahid, Abu Wa'il, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Abdullah bin Kathir, As-Suddi, Ibn Zayd and others gave the same meaning for Wasilah.
**
Qatadah said that the Ayah means, ***"Seek the means of approach to Him by obeying Him and performing the acts that please Him.''*
our holy prophet (pbuh) is a waseela in a sense that through him we got the message of Allah in its complete form and we can attain closeness to Allah only by following his teachings. This is what 'Auliya' did to attain spiritual excellence.
Its not a rocket science but it is very simple, immaculate and loud n clear all we need to just pay little attention. We believe that the Quran is words of Almighty Allah and He Who selected the sequence of verse so if we read the verse: Man yutiAAi arrasoola faqad ataAAaAllaha waman tawalla fama arsalnakaAAalayhim hafeetha" , Here Almighty Allah said "He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah" means check the sequence of wording. A man --> obey messenger (follow Sunnah) ----> obeyed Allah.
well, mr.lkk you should understand that prophet s.a.w is nabi and nabi certainly can directly connect to almighty allah and he s.a.w is the supreme among all creations, when my nabi s.a.w himself asked that sahaba to take wasila while praying to allah. then whoever i mean it whoever says that wasila is haram or shirk is waging war against allah nd his prophet because prophet s.a.w has permitted wasila nd sahabas have followed this tradition which is a clear proof that wasila is the way of seeking help from allah.
if you have problem with what i quote then you better go read hadis by your own eyes and see whether sahabas used to follow the order of wasila or not.
Its not a rocket science but it is very simple, immaculate and loud n clear all we need to just pay little attention. We believe that the Quran is words of Almighty Allah and He Who selected the sequence of verse so if we read the verse: Man yutiAAi arrasoola faqad ataAAaAllaha waman tawalla fama arsalnakaAAalayhim hafeetha" , Here Almighty Allah said "He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah" means check the sequence of wording. A man --> obey messenger (follow Sunnah) ----> obeyed Allah.
Hope it is clear now for brother wais88 :)
yes exactly right there follow the prophet s.a.w and respect him and love him and believe in whatever he says and follow whatever he teaches you...this is iman
follow whatever muhammed mustafa s.a.w teaches you...this is sunnat
he taught us to take wasila...this is sunnat
we cant do what all our lovely prophet s.a.w did he s.a.w raised the sun back after it was gurub
he s.a.w talked to plants and trees
he s.a.w divided the moon into two
he s.a.w went to mehraj
he s.a.w is the only one who saw allah
but i have done nothing of the above nor have you nor has anybody else ever done this nor will be done.
but as a fact none of above is sunnat
he s.a.w taught us to take wasila, be he s.a.w knows that we may not be able to connect to allah.
i challenge you and anybody to just show me where in quran, hadees, injeel or any islamic or allah's books is it written that wasila is not permitted, instead wherever you read you will find allah nd his prophets nd awliyas sayin seek for wasila seek for wasila seek for wasila. its totally permisable even allah writes in his book(refer to my earlier quote of quranic reference) to seek for wasila.
’, so by mentioning that hadith, are you trying to equal the rank of an ordinary person with the rank of a ‘Prophet’? Just do when thing. Quote a hadith where Prophet Muhammad 
