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try something better, like maybe Ahmed Raza barelwis translations atleast ....where he claims prophet SAW to be able to know the ghaib or future .... that might have been better buddy... try again...
You seem to me problem child.
Allah (swt) says in the Holy Qur’an:
"Verily Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet (s). O, Believer! Send blessings upon him and salute him with a worthy salutation."
In the Holy Qur’an Allah (swt) has described the good qualities and praises of a number of Prophets; for instance, when Adam (as) was created all the angels were ordered to prostrate before him. Ibrahim (as) is described as Khalilullah. Friend of Allah. Various other Prophets have been mentioned with praises. However, our Prophet (s) has been given a distinguished place by Almighty Allah in the Holy Qur’an, as evidenced by this verse:
Allah has asked the believers to honor His Messenger (s), because He Himself is honoring the Prophet (s). This is the utmost honor to our Messenger (s), whose status is that of Leader of Apostles.
Imam Sakhawi (r) writes in his book Qaul-i-Badi’: "One of the reasons of saying ‘O Allah! Send blessings upon Muhammad (s),’ instead of saying ‘I send blessings upon Muhammad (s)’ is: we are full of sins, imperfect, but the personality of the Holy Prophet (s) is perfect and faultless. The blessings and praises of a sinner are blemished, thus have us wait for a personality who is perfect. The only possible way, therefore, is to request Allah to shower His choicest and eternal Blessings upon the Holy Prophet (s). This is a request for the blessings from the one who is the Pure for such a person who is Virtuous and Modest."
Although Allah ordered us to send blessings upon the Holy Prophet (s) because our blessings can not touch the height of the Prophet’s (s) place.
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Its nice to see that how people jump and start accusing others without listening to their point of view. Well lets see what will be the end result of this discusion which started about thousand year ago and is still going on.
Prophet Mohammed (Pbuh) was Human, But can any other Human have the similar position infront of Allah ?
24: 63. Do not hold the Messenger's calling (you) among you to be like your calling one to the other; Allah indeed knows those who steal away from among you, concealing themselves; therefore let those beware who go against his order lest a trial afflict them or there befall them a painful chastisement.
33: 6. The Prophet has a greater claim on the faithful than they have on themselves, and his wives are (as) their mothers;
33: 56. Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet; O you who believe! call for (Divine) blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation.
49: 1. O you who believe! be not forward in the presence of Allah and His Messenger, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
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*Have you really heard some Muslims saying that they believe that Prophet (SAW) was NOT Human? *
Have anyone told you literally that he/she does not believe that Prophet (SAW) was ‘Human’ or you are just a liar and thus lying?
*Is that your conclusion or that you are making bohtan (saying lies) on that ‘some people’? If what you wrote is ‘bohtan’ on that ‘some people’ then certainly your place would be ‘Hell’ to burn there forever after death. *
Because, what I know, there are no Muslims ever who believed, said, or claimed that Prophet (SAW) was not ‘Human’. All prophets were humans and all prophets said that they are Humans. Saying that Prophet (SAW) was not human would be denying Quran, so no Muslim could do that.
[Surah Yusuf (surah 12), Ayah 14:[Regarding Prophet (SAW)] YUSUFALI: Nor did We send before thee (as messengers) any but men, whom we did inspire,- (men) living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will ye not then understand
Surah Ibrahim (surah 14), ayah 10 and ayah 11 (Regarding all previous Prophets (AS)] YUSUFALI: Their messengers said: "Is there a doubt about Allah, The Creator of the heavens and the earth? It is He Who invites you, in order that He may forgive you your sins and give you respite for a term appointed!" They said: "Ah! ye are no more than human, like ourselves! Ye wish to turn us away from the (gods) our fathers used to worship: then bring us some clear authority."
YUSUFALI: Their messengers said to them: **"True, we are human like yourselves, **but Allah doth grant His grace to such of his servants as He pleases. It is not for us to bring you an authority except as Allah permits. And on Allah let all men of faith put their trust. ]
*Certainly, what you wrote if untrue (no one told you in clear words about their belief that Prophet (SAW) was not Human), then what you wrote was mischief of Shaitan and big accusation on ‘some people’ and for that you will have to answer after death to Allah and also to that 'some people'. *
If you are not lying then, please confirm (making Allah your witness) that what you are saying is true and that who are those people that literally said to you in clear words that Prophet (SAW) was not ‘Human’?
Note: A Muslim never makes wrong assumptions (bad gumaan) regarding another Muslims but Iblis and Iblis-worshipers do that and spread their assumptions about Muslims with fabricated lies based on their assumptions. Then chailays of Iblis (lackeys of Iblis) join the liar in support, giving comments and further spreading the lies without confirming]
Yes i have heard people saying this. barelwis belive that. and if u pay attation on the naats they read u find out. they use world which are not good. they also belive lots of other thing which other people don't. its the barelwis who say this. and some times they call them selfs sunnis. And i paryed for Barelwis, that god may show them the right path and of corse me if iam wrong. but its comman sence that he was human, because he lived eat drink and did everything which we do.
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Wahhabis accuse us, Ahle Sunnah Wal Jammat that we do not consider Rasul alayhis salaam as bashar – human. maaadhallah. We have NEVER said that. we only say that :
MuHammadun basharun laa kal bashar (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) // yaaqutu hajarun laa kal Hajar. MuHammad alayhis salaam is a man, but unlike any other man // a diamond is a stone, unlike any other stone.
In this regard jaabir ibn abdallah al-anSaari raDiyallahu `anhumaa said :
“i asked : yaa Rasulallah! my father and my mother be sacrificed on thee! tell me what was that which Allah created before anything else?
Said he (Rasulallah) : O jaabir, verily Allah created the nuur (light) of your nabee (prophet) MuHammad (sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam) from His nuur, before he created anything else. And this nuur (of your prophet) stayed so by the Power of Allah as long as Allah willed. (note that i have translated yaduuru bilqudrati idiomatically than literally; else it would mean it roamed, circulated ) and at that time there was neither the LawH (the Tablet) nor the qalam (the Pen) nor jannah (paradise) neither naar (Hell) andneither any angel and neither the heavens and neither the earth and neither the sun and nor the moon and nor human and nor any jinn.
when Allah wished to create something else, He made four parts of that nuur.
from the first part he created the qalam (the pen)
from the second the LawH (the Tablet)
from the third the `arsh (the Throne)
and He divided the fourth part into four more :
from the first of this fourth part He created the carriers of the `arsh
from the second He created the kursee (the Chair)
from the third the rest of the angels
and He divided the fourth part into four more :
from the first he created the Heavens
from the second he created the earths
from the third He created the Paradise and Hell
and He divided the fourth part into four more :
from the first he created the light of the believer’s (mu-min) eyes
from the second part the light in their hearts and that is the gnosis of Allah
from the third part the light of solace and that is the TawHeed – Laa ilaaha illallah MuHammadur Rasulallah sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam
(fataawa al-Hadeethiyyah pg. 59,60)
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^ and how authentic is this????
u will believe all this without even knowing from where it came but when Quran says that the Prophet (saw) was a human like all other humans, u will doubt it????
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Are we still stuck on this? Anyone who seems to disagree the notion that Prophet was not noor seems to be labled a Wahabi. WELL I AM NOT A WAHABI AND STILL INSIST THAT PROPHET WAS NOT NOOR. The hadith, I believe is Sahih, but cannot be taken so literally as many of our pseudo-hadith masters would like to. If you read the hadith more carefully you'll notice that Prophet was noor when besdies Allah nothing else exsisted. There is another hadith where Prophet said that if it weren't for Him, Allah would not have created this entire universe. So how else was Allah support to create the man for whom the entire universe created? This hadith only speaks of Prophets creation and realization and not conception. If Prophet was still noor after birth then he would have professed to it.
Second: If prophet was noor then why would angels wash his heart on two different occasions? The first time it happened when He were with Bibi Haleems. You might recall that Her daughter came running to announce that two men had taken the Prophet and opened his chest thus killed Him. Only later were it proven wrong.
If Prophet were noor then why would Jibrael again wash His Heart for the second time with Zamzam on the eve of ascension to Allah's Arsh? Noor does not require washing as noor is pure. If noor required washing then Jibrael would have travelled with a tub.
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not everyone believes these heart washing incidents either.
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The topic’s been already beaten to death. Please keep it clean and refrain from name-calling, otherwise, I would have to close it.
Some other threads:
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Jazak Allah
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Lashaka fi zalik
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You mean you do not believe the incident?
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Not me, but I know of atleast one person who denies it. Yes its my boss again 
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if you don't mind pakistani2
I would like sadiyah to just close it please.......
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Well your boss is wrong.
There are several hadith where Sahaba clearly saw a scar right above Prophet's heart indicative of cleaning of the heart.
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first of all, have a degree of respect for the people your talking to. millions of people arent dolts. this thread started off with those who reject the idea of "nour" composition being quite dismissive of barelvies and sufies etc as if they denied an obvious truth.
now its down to whether or not one "sahih" hadith by "psuedo hadith experts" is actually sahih or not, and inconsistencies with other "sahih" ahadith.
people usually have a basis for whatever they believe, and it usually happens to be a hadis they regard to be true. That most likely is the basis for your beliefs about the matter too, so it isnt an issue of who is ridiculous and who isnt, is just a matter who what subset of ahadis you regard to be true.
i think the question of whether or not the Prophet was made of nour or whether or not he was an ignorant shepard or anything else eventually boils down to the statement "the Prophet was like us".
there is a real fear amongst those who possibly exagerrate the Prophet's properties that there is a group amongst Muslims who seeks to make the Prophet seem very ordinary. Who take the "human like you" term a bit too literally. I wouldnt believe in a Prophet who was like me, because guess what Im a bad person, I lie I mislead people, I make mistakes then cover them up with religious spin. What if the Prophet did that too? Some of the earliest errors Muslims made were taking the "bashar misluna" belief too literally and rebelling against the Prophet's words.
As long as we agree that the Prophet was a human who was NOT like us in the way he lived his life as the highest exemplar of morality and religion, discussions on whether he was made of nour or whether he had a shadow etc etc are all unimportant discussions that dont have any ideological significance in themselves.
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I think the concept of a metaphor has been lost on muslims.
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What did they clean? His early-onset athersclerosis?
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^ i hope the folks who regard other's beliefs as kooky notice this. yours are too, and "bashrun mislukum" can be used to "disprove" this belief too. Since he was a human like me how come angels dont operate my heart when mine is bad? If angels did the operation why did they leave a scar, why couldnt they use non-invasive techniques?
At some point casting another person's UNIMPORTANT religious beliefs against loaded analogies and "disproving" through hadis and mockery isnt really an intelligent thing. AND it allows you to spend all your time debating all this, and bringing this debate in discussions that actually matter. It doesnt MATTER if he had a scar or what that meant or whether he was ever seen defecating (yes there are debates on that). They only have strong ideological relevance in context of the esteem we afford to the Prophet, and the attitude of respect and deference we should have towards him. Whether or not we regard him as just another guy, a guy like me.
The same group of people who say "he was just another man" against whom barelvies and other sunnies/shias strongly rally against with exagerrated beliefs on the other end of the spectrum go on to destroy historical landmarks associated with this man on the same basis "just another man" while putting plaques in their own name on every building they erect there in its place.
That is the real ideological question, what you believe about the composition of the Prophet should not be the focus of our discussions, because it belittles the intellectual level of the debate.