Hello, some muslims belive that he was not human, they say he was NOOR. these people know who they are because they are many of them here. I belive that he was a human beging just like us. some times these people say he is part of GOD. where as non muslims say jesus is son of god, they have gone far from them and said that he is part of god. God may put these people on the right path. amine
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Quran is very clear on the matter, and has repeated it many times to tell the people that "i am a human being just like all of you"....
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Yeah, I've heard things like that too: Prophet was Noor, He did not have a shadow, blah blah blah....
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^^ ...they attack whenever anyone posts authentic stuff and try to throw smoke by calling others names and ...
classic example is the ajvair shrif thead...where the intent was solely to bring the issue of going to mazars and doing the bid-ah stuff as being legal..
no reason to mention names...
I am sure they might read this thread and jump in with the obscure quotes
they normally post ...
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one example is Surah Kahf last verse no. 110
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Ye I was having that argument with my boss the other day too. He insisted that Prophet Muhammad :saw: was noor and later and when I disagreed he said he was part noor otherwise it would not have been possible for him to go up to arsh-e-mualla (sp?)
He also argues over how ppl try to assasinate his character by saying that he couldn’t read and write or that he was a shephard in his younger years, He also insists that Prophet Muhammad :saw: was aware that he was a prophet and didn;t just find out at the age of 40 and he think that the entire episode of Hazrat Muhammad :saw: going to Hazrat Khadija :as: after the first revelation and his having a fever etc is all made up. He even negates the incident of the first vahi when the angel jibraeel asked him to read and Prophet Muhammad :saw: said he couldn;t read.
Oh and he believes that I should trust him since he is a decendant of the Prophet and Prohet Muhammad :saw; tau hamaray cousin jaisay huway and our ancestors have all learnt everythng from their fathers all the way up to Prophet Muhammad :saw: himself so what he says is correct.
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Pakistani2:
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Hello, s*ome muslims belive that he was not human, they say he was NOOR. these people know who they are because they are many of them here. I belive that he was a human beging just like us. some times these people say he is part of GOD. where as non muslims say jesus is son of god, they have gone far from them and said that he is part of god. God may put these people on the right path. Amine
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**Pakistani2:* You are praying as if you are on right path and these people are in wrong path. Why don’t you pray to Allah to guide you on the right path? That would be much better for you and may save you from going to hell too, where you will abide forever :)
*Have you really heard some Muslims saying that they believe that Prophet (SAW) was NOT Human? *
Have anyone told you literally that he/she does not believe that Prophet (SAW) was ‘Human’ or you are just a liar and thus lying?
*Is that your conclusion or that you are making bohtan (saying lies) on that ‘some people’? If what you wrote is ‘bohtan’ on that ‘some people’ then certainly your place would be ‘Hell’ to burn there forever after death. *
Because, what I know, there are no Muslims ever who believed, said, or claimed that Prophet (SAW) was not ‘Human’. All prophets were humans and all prophets said that they are Humans. Saying that Prophet (SAW) was not human would be denying Quran, so no Muslim could do that.
[Surah Yusuf (surah 12), Ayah 14:[Regarding Prophet (SAW)]
YUSUFALI: Nor did We send before thee (as messengers) any but men, whom we did inspire,- (men) living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will ye not then understand
Surah Ibrahim (surah 14), ayah 10 and ayah 11 (Regarding all previous Prophets (AS)]
YUSUFALI: Their messengers said: "Is there a doubt about Allah, The Creator of the heavens and the earth? It is He Who invites you, in order that He may forgive you your sins and give you respite for a term appointed!" They said: "Ah! ye are no more than human, like ourselves! Ye wish to turn us away from the (gods) our fathers used to worship: then bring us some clear authority."
YUSUFALI: Their messengers said to them: **"True, we are human like yourselves, **but Allah doth grant His grace to such of his servants as He pleases. It is not for us to bring you an authority except as Allah permits. And on Allah let all men of faith put their trust. ]
**Certainly, what you wrote if untrue (no one told you in clear words about their belief that Prophet (SAW) was not Human), then what you wrote was mischief of Shaitan and big accusation on ‘some people’ and for that you will have to answer after death to Allah and also to that 'some people'.
If you are not lying then, please confirm (making Allah your witness) that what you are saying is true and that who are those people that literally said to you in clear words that Prophet (SAW) was not ‘Human’?
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Note: A Muslim never makes wrong assumptions (bad gumaan) regarding another Muslims but Iblis and Iblis-worshipers do that and spread their assumptions about Muslims with fabricated lies based on their assumptions. Then chailays of Iblis (lackeys of Iblis) join the liar in support, giving comments and further spreading the lies without confirming]
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^^ what the.....
dude do you live in a capsule of some sort...? or are you one of them?
there are people like this all over the place...we in Pakistan call them "barelwis" the arab world knows them as SUFIS the head quarters of which are in Lebanon with Mr. Kabbani being at the head!!!
BUT ONE WORD OF CAUTION:::: PLEASE READ BELOW:::::
Not all barelwis will have this view... so we should not generalize ...
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Well, how many have you come across who LITERALLY told you that Prophet (SAW) was not HUMAN?
Can you please answer without any lies (and making Allah your witness)? Thanks.
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There has been difference among scholars on this issue. I only seek to show the evidence to support the view that the Messenger of Allah is Human and also Noor., also the arabic used in the ayah
The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) is the Light of Allah, something a believer can say because the ***Qur’an ***affirms it in the verse
“There has come to you a Light from Allah, and a Manifest Book” (Qur’an 5:15).
in which the word Light has been explained by a number of classic Qur’anic exegetes as follows Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti)
“It is the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace)” (Tafsir al-Jalalayn, 139).
indicates that the light is the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him there is a clear differentiation between the light and the mentioning of the book.
Hafidh ibn Kathir writes:
Whilst Abd-ul-Muttallib was walking wit his son Abdullah, a woman saw a light in the forhead of Abdullah, she approached them and offered one hundred camels so that Abdullah may marry her but they refused her offer. Some time after his marriage to Amina, Abdullah again confronted this woman but this time she made no offers to marry himand said “The noor upon your forehead is no longer present”.
(Tareekh ibn Kathir, vol 2 Sirat toon- Nabi ibn kathir and Ibn Jareer Tabaree chapter Miladun Nabi)
I also refer you to this article by Dr Mostafa al Badawi, this article should be enough for those of intellect and understanding of what our scholars have passed down to us.
The Light of the Prophet - Dr. Mostafa al-Badawi](The Light of the Prophet - Dr. Mostafa al-Badawi)
the sources are at the bottom of the article you can check them up if you want.
Also the following article where a question is possed on this very
"]Haqiqat al-Muhammadiyya](Haqiqat al-Muhammadiyya
Sheikh Muhammad Salim is a big scholar i would not agree that he is the biggest scholar in Mauritania, but that is a matter of opinion so we can leave that. The sholars i I know in Mauritania said the Prophet peace and Blessings be upon him was noor, and i did also refer you to Sheikh Muhammad Al Yaqoubi these scholars can easily refer you to classical scholars
Shaykh M. Hisham Kabbani
Sheikh Murabit al Hajj bin Fahfu,
and Sheikh Muhammad Alameen 'Hadameen
http://www.abc.se/~m9783/nurn_e.html
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^I know one person, I just asked him for a reference. He said he will give me some months back, still waiting for it though.
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You mean (waAllah) you met a person, a Muslim that says that he/she believes on Quran and still deny the words of Quran (Surah 12 ayah 14, knowingly)? Thus says that Prophet (SAW) was not HUMAN and that verse in quran 12:14 is wrong (or give a contrary meaning to that verse)?
It is not a joke as someone accused Muslims (or those that call themselves Muslims) that they believe, Prophet (SAW) was not Human. If such accusation is wrong (knowingly a fabricated lie) then certainly the accuser would go to Hell (unless those accused forgive him as it is matter of Huquq-ul-ibad and not Huquq-ul-Allah that Allah would forgive, because some people are accused and it is only they that can forgive any wrong accusation).
Certainly if the accuser is right then according to my and everyone understanding of Quran, these people are denying clear verses of Quran, without ambiguity (verse 12:14 regarding Prophet (SAW) and 14:10-11 regarding other Prophets(AS), and thus deserve Hell unless they correct their belief and repent to Allah, as this matter is of Huquq-ul-Allah (to believe on clear Quranic verses)
**Note: **When I asked, I am not playing chess games or joking. Obviously, you can ask any of your satanic friends to say that in front of you, than later claim that you heard. I am talking about Muslim that know Quran, read Quran and call themselves Muslim (from whatever sect, maslak or whatever), not any ignorant individual, that could be wahabi, beralvi, deobandi, shia, sunni or whatever.]
Can you confirm making Allah your witness that you met a person (that you believe with Allah as your witness) that the person can represent a group (not just an ignorant person) who told you that Rasul-Allah (SAW) was not Human?
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It is not a joke as someone accused Muslims (or those that call themselves Muslims) that they believe, Prophet (SAW) was not Human. If such accusation is wrong then certainly the accuser would go to Hell (unless those accused forgive him as it is matter of Huquq-ul-ibad and not Huquq-ul-Allah that Allah would forgive, because some people are accused and it is only they that can forgive any wrong accusation). Certainly if the accuser is right then according to my and everyone understanding of Quran, these people are denying clear verses of Quran, without ambiguity (verse 12:14 regarding Prophet (SAW) and 14:10 regarding other Prophets), and thus deserve Hell.
**Note: **When I asked, I am not playing chess games or joking. Obviously, you can ask any of your satanic friends to say that in front of you, than later claim that you heard. I am talking about Muslim that know Quran, read Quran and call themselves Muslim (from whatever sect, maslak or whatever), not any ignorant individual, that could be wahabi, beralvi, deobandi, shia, sunni or whatever.]
Can you confirm making Allah your witness that you met a person (that you believe with Allah as your witness) that the person can represent a group (not just an ignorant person) who told you that Rasul-Allah (SAW) was not Human?
Yes I know a muslim freind of mine, 5 times prayers and all, for some reason his family relies more on hadees. I even went to one religious ceremony in their house they sang all kind of naats and not a single hamd. Which I found little odd because as I understand for a religious person God comes before everything else. In fact I started a thread as well about this some months back. During the conversation about noori or khaaki, he was little confused on noori issue but remained on his stand that prophet had no shadow.
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hey sa1eem....did you miss Y2K post....here is a classic example in you face...he believes that Rasul Allah SAW was not purely human....
read it dude...
And yes I have met people like that , have heard their poetic words in their nasheeds or Naats, and heard their khutbahs in Pakistan....
totally dude....totally true...
unfortunate but ....
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Antumal_alona: Do you only read what you like and cover your eyes from reading what you don’t?
Y2K_Zaid:
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I only seek to show the evidence to support the view that the Messenger of Allah is Human and also Noor.
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Does writing: the Messenger of Allah is Human = Messanger of Allah was not Human?
Can you tell me that: IS the above two same? Are we not talking about that there are people who believe that ‘Messenger of Allah (SAW) was not Human’? Does Y2K_Zaid believe that Messenger of Allah was not Human?
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Light_bearer:**
Well, there is confusion (and misunderstanding) amongst many people about this noori and khaki issue and regarding shadow of Prophet (SAW). But here we are not talking about noori and khakhi issue or that if Prophet (SAW) had shadow or not.
We are talking about people, if any Muslim (one that is Practicing Muslim with little knowledge, from whatever sects of Islam) believes and declares (rather literally said with their own mouth to the accuser) that:
‘Prophet (SAW) was not Human’
that means in Urdu:
‘Prophet (SAW) Insaan nahi thay’
That is what the person starting the thread accused Muslims, that a group of Muslims believe that Prophet (SAW) was NOT HUMAN.
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^ oh...I get it....I found another one of you hiding in the dark....
that is lousy...
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nice hodge podge compilation and nice placement of Ibn Kathir’s narration…
all in the wrong context…as you are so apt at doing …
so how does ibn Kathir’s reference prove Rasul Allah was noor?..
and I am sure your other references will never say that either…
nice space you take up there by posting irrelevant texts…
Jamal Badawi is not of the view of prophet SAW = noor ..I can gaurantee you that…
try something better,
like maybe Ahmed Raza barelwis translations atleast …where he claims prophet SAW to be able to know the ghaib or future …
that might have been better buddy…
try again…
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for your nice slurs and apprecaition Alhamdolillah I am fasting…
InshAllah this will increase my patience…
Waht gifts should I send you for all these nice deeds that you have given me …?
We forget that even we don;t see each other,. Allah is still watching His angels are still writing…
and I meant dark = hiding without revealing real identity…and that is certainly lousy…that is what you are doing …playing around words …and not admitting.. what you really want to say or have others admit…
kher…I can only quote the verse from Quran
“Wa Idha Khataba humul jahillona qaloo salama” — surah al-mominoon…
so Salam to you …I am fasting…
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Is you boss Shia?
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Antumol_ alona:
:)well, you are fasting and still lying at the same time, nice fast, keep fasting and lying. Is that your fast and religion:)
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^ oh...I get it....I found another one of you hiding in the dark....
that is lousy...
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I still could not get how I was hiding in the dark and what was lousy, except lousy was you, your general lies and abuses you throw on others, your imaginative lies about me hiding in the dark and your imagination
Note: Do you know that: On this site, you are probably the biggest 'abusers of others' (Fitna-e-Site, sharr-e-Mahfil). Who ever you do not agree, you slander them (and their beliefs), abuse, accuse, and lie about them. It seems this is what is your religion and belief (and certainly, that is not Islam). Your only purpose in life seems to divide Muslims and harm Islam as much as possible. I wonder how much Iblis must be rewarding you for that].