Was she a muslim???

Was Bibi Fatima Binte Asad, (Mother of Hazrat Ali) a muslim??

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Thanks

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dont know..........

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does it matter?

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She was Hanif, on the path of Hadhrat Ibrahim (as), and did not worship idols.

Her family name is Fatimah bint Asad bin Hashim bin abd' Manaf (radi'Allahu anha), and she adopted and raised Rasul-Allah (saws) and dearly loved him. She also raised Imam Ali, Bibi Fatima bint Rasul-Allah (saws) Imam Hasan and Imam Husayn (alaiyhimis-salaam)

She was also of the priveledged group that migrated from Makka to Yathrib later to be renamed to Madinatun-Nabi during the Hijrah.

When Fatimah bint Asad (radi'Allahu anha) passed away, Rasul-Allah (saws) prayed for her at her grave to Allah (swt) and said:

O Allah who lives and never dies, who quickens and puts to death, forgive the sins of my mother Fatima bint Asad, make wide the place wherein she enters through the intercession of me, Thy Prophet, and the Prophets who came before me. For Thou art the Most Merciful of those capable of having mercy.

al-Tabarani relates it in al-Kabir.
Ibn Hibban and al-Hakim declare it sound.
Ibn Abi Shayba on the authority of Jabir relates a similar narrative.
Similar also is what Ibn Abd Al-Barr on the authority of IbnAbbas and Abu Nuaym in his Hilya on the authority of Anas Ibn Malik relate, as al-Hafiz al-Suyuti mentioned in the Jami al-Kabir.
Haythami says in Majma` al-zawa'id: "Tabarani's chain contains Rawh ibn Salah who has some weakness,
but Ibn Hibban and al-Hakim declared him trustworthy.
The rest of its sub-narrators are the men of sound hadith.

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What was she at the time of her death? Did she accept islam and die a death of a believer or not??

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At the time of her death was she a muslim?? Did she die death of a believer or not??

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She was already on the way of Hanif, which was the way of Hadhrat Ibrahim (as). She clearly received the intercession of Rasul-Allah (saws) and suffices enough to say that she was a MUSLIM when she died. Those who say that she was not are blasphemers and have no knowledge of the truth. They mis-lead people into falsehood by making up nonsense about not only Lady Fatimah bint Asad (ra'a) but also about the parents of rasul-Allah (saws), saying that they died as Kafirs, Naudhubillah!!! There was not one prophet whose parents were not believers. These Wahhabis tried to do the same thing to the father of Hadhrat Ibrahim (as) by saying that his father was his uncle - another great lie when in fact his father was not Azar, but Tarakh who was on the religion of Hadhrat Nuh (as). Azar was Nabi Ibrahim's (as) uncle who was an idol worshipper.

Lady Fatimah bint Asad (ra'a) died as a BELIEVER and there is no doubt about it. Before she was about to give birth to Amir al-Mu'mineen Sayyidina Imam Ali (as), she was making ta'waf around the Ka'ba asking for Allah (swt) for mercy, and then entered into the Ka'ba there are different narrations on how she entered, and then gave birth to Sayyidina Imam Ali (as), who obviously was born in the Ka'ba. When she, Lady Fatimah bint Asad came out of the Ka'ba, the first face which Sayyidina Imam Ali (as) saw, was that of Sayyidina Rasul-Allah (saws).

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Dying in a state of Shirk is damnation to the fire. If she, Lady Fatimah bint Asad (ra'a) died in such a state, then Rasul-Allah (Saws) would not have given his intercession to her, as one who dies in such a state cannot receive the tawassul of Rasul-Allah (saws).

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I agree with you that no mushrik, kafir would ever receive the Rasool's intercession, and you have sufficeiently proven to me that she was a hanif and died a muslim.

So now my next question is if she was a muslim and Hz Abu Talib was kafir (as is popular belife among muslims) the why did Rasool Allah allowed Lady Fatima Binte Asad to remain in his nikkah until his death when according to quran a Muslim woman can not remain in the nikkah of a non muslim?

Does it not mean that either she was not a muslim (which is against the beleif of majority of muslims) or Hz. Abu Talib was not a kafir but infact a Muslim (which is also against the belief of majority of mulims)??

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I personally do not know what good does it bring to know if ancestors of Prophets/his colleagues/relatives were Muslims or not. Can anyone please guide me, how it benefits Islam, my faith, my world, my aakhira, my deeds? :jazak:

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thats what i was asking..............for ages.................

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Exactly.

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Are people trying to avoid the question? by saying what good it will bring. in the begining of the thread everybody was trying to be really helpful.

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Abu Talib (ra) did not die in a state of kufr, and you have already explained as to why oh Curious One, :)

We all know of the hadith in Bukhari. I don't believe it is authentic because from what I have studied, both Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim when they were compiling ahadith, they were under the rule of kingdoms which had enmity and hostility against Sayyidina Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib (as). I have found that many of the ahadith were fabricated and inserted into our books by pressure of these rulers, as Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim have a collection of ahadith, in which if you look at all the other major books of hadith, have such hadiths which are nowhere to be found in Bukhari and Muslim. How is that possible? Remember, anyone who ever showed love or extra attention to the prophet (saws) or his blessed family and descendants, they would be wipped, or jailed, or tortured by the Ummayad and then later the Abbasid Caliphs. Imam Abu Hanifah (ra) was jailed many times because of his love for the prophet (saws) and his family.

Furthermore, the hadiths about the death of Abu Talib in his deathbed, has one narrator in it, whose name is "al-Musaiyab" who was one of the people who embraced Islam upon the entrance of the Muslims back into Makka from Madina. Which means that al-Musaiyab was not a Muslim when Abu Talib (ra) was passing away. Further to that, history records that al-Musaiyab disliked Imam Ali (as), and refused to pray in teh Janazah of his grandson Imam Husayn (as), and also refused to pray in the Janazah of his great grandson, Ali ibn Husayn bin Ali (Zayn al-Abidin) (as).

Muslims must keep in mind, that it was Abu Talib (ra) who, gave Rasul-Allah (saws) protection, shelter, and guarded him against the rest of the leaders of the tribes of the Quraysh. He protected Rasul-Allah (saws) for as long as he could until he passed away. Abu Talib (ra) took the prophet (saws) and raised him in his home like his own son. He protected Rasul-Allah (saws) and his message against all objections from Abu Sufyan and the rest.

The downplaying of Abu Talib (ra) was part of a giant campaign to smear the name of the Sayyidina Imam Ali's (as) family, this was all done by the Ummayad Dynasty and their hatred for Imam Ali (as). These same people by fabricating such lies, tried to convince the people that Abu Sufyan, the father of Mu'awiya, was better than Abu Talib (ra), the father of Imam Ali (as).

This was nothing more than an attempt by the Banu Ummaya to try and claim superiority of the Banu Hashim. That is why when people like Yazid bin Mu'awiya came to power, upon the death of Imam Husayn (as), he (Yazid) said that I have gotten revenge for my grandfather, Abu Sufyan, by killing the grandson of the Holy Prophet (saws), and he went on to claim that Islam, the Qur'an were inventions of the Banu Hashim to try and take power away from teh Banu Ummaya. This is an historical fact you may research this on your own and see this for yourselves.

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Curious One, since you initiated the thread, could you please tell us how this question could be of benefit to you and to others?

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Saying of Hz Ali:
Knowledge and wisdom are really the privilege of a faithful Muslim. If you have lost them, get them back even though you may have to get them from the apostates.

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Knowing the ancestry of the Prophets (alaiyhimis-salaam) brings a great deal of good. It is called knowing the truth. A person who is sincere in knowing the truth won't act ignorant and say things like "what good does it do for me?"

Keep asking that question and show me some more how the only thing in Islam which concerns you is when it relates to you. What is it with some of you do you not have hearts? How would you like it if someone said that your mother and father are not Muslims they are Pakistani's who wear clothes like Hindus? How would you like it if someone were to say that?

So you're teling me that it's not important whether or not the Prophet's (saws) parents were muslim or not to you?

Why can't you answer the question instead of avoiding its importance by saying that it's not important to know. Well answer this why don't you, why were the parents of all other prophets believers but the parents of Rasul-Allah (saws) were not? How is it that very ones who gave their home and lives to protect Rasul-Allah (saws) and help him against the brutality of all the other cheiftans of the Quraysh, are named as kafirs? How is it that the Leader of the Prophets, that his parents were not believers? Are you people in your senses?

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Curious One, do you have any view or knowledge about whether or not she was a Muslim, if so, do share it please.

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Based on what I knew from before and what I have read in this thread she was, but if that was the case I can't understand why do majority of muslim insist that Her husband was a non muslim, and in doing so accuse Propeht Mohammad of not following the teachings of Islam as he himself preached that any msulim woman should not remain in the nikkah of a Kafir.

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^ I see where you're coming from. Thanks for the clarification.