Was Pakistan meant to be secular like India?

What is the purpose of getting Jinnah’s speech now. Also what was the purpose for partition of India , if Pakistan was going to be secular like India?

Pakistan seeks recording of Jinnah calling for secular stateIslamabad has asked India for a copy of the historic speech by Pakistan’s founder Mohammed Ali Jinnah in which he promised complete religious freedom and a modern secular state.

Pakistan seeks recording of Jinnah calling for secular state - Telegraph

The speech, made in Karachi in 1947, set out Jinnah’s vision for a democratic, tolerant and well-governed democracy, but was largely ignored by his successors, especially its late dictator General Zia ul Haq, who “Islamicised” the country in the late 1970s.

Recordings of the speech were made and kept by the Pakistan Broadcasting Corporation but were later destroyed.

Now the Pakistan Broadcasting Corporation’s director has appealed to his Indian counterpart at All-India Radio for a copy of one of the last surviving tape recordings.

Its director-general Murtaza Solangi wrote to AIR, explaining that Pakistan no longer has an audio recording of the speech, which the country’s liberals regard as a source of hope for the future.

“This speech is very important for people who want to direct the country to the goal of a modern, pluralistic, democratic state,” he told an Indian news group.

L. D. Mandloi, of All India Radio confirmed the approach from the Pakistan Broadcasting Corporation and said his colleagues were trying to locate the tapes. He told The Daily Telegraph he would need approval from the government before handing over a copy.
Mr Jinnah’s speech reassured Pakistan’s minorities that: “You are free to go to your temples; free to go to your mosques, or any other place of worship in this Pakistan you may belong to any religion, caste or creed – that has nothing to do with the business of the State.”
But after his death Pakistan was declared an Islamic republic in 1956 and later under General Zia ul Haq’s military dictatorship Sharia law was introduced and Christians, Hindus, Parsees, Sikhs, Shia and Ahmadiya Muslims all faced persecution and violence.
The late minorities minister Shahbaz Bhatti, a Christian, was assassinated last year for his campaign to overturn the country’s blasphemy law, which is used to intimidate non-Muslims in the country.
Leading Pakistani commentator Najam Sethi said Mr Solangi’s efforts to recover a key part of Pakistan’s history, has limited support, mainly from the country’s English speaking liberal and secular elite.
"This speech is important to progressives and liberals, mainly English speakers, but mainly ignored by the mainstream political parties and the military establishment.
“They set out to make an ideological state, it became an Islamic state, they brought in Islamic laws and ruined his [Jinnah’s] vision,” he said.

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Bummer : BBC News - India says it does not have Jinnah’s 1947 speech

ps. This’ll get more traction in WA.

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Too bad. Then again who listens to the Quaid anyway. Let's ask the new Quaid to give us a similar speech in his next telphonic khitab.

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They probably have the transcript somewhere

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Well i hope they find speech of Quaid. This would serve a blow to religious extremists in the country..

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And will be a blow to all those who died for cause of pakistan....

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does anyone find it curious, peculiar, strange, dodgy..etc ....that the national broadcasting company will destroy the audio recordings of the founder of the nation...
things that make you go hmmmmmm

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How can be a country formed on the basis of religion can be secular??

PS:Wrong forum

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Exactly. Recently PBC on their youtube channel uploaded Quaid’s speech on June 3, 1947.

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How such speech will be blow for those who died for cause of Pakistan? What do you think Pakistan was made by a religious party and Quaid e Azam was a leader like Imam Khumaini. He was very much secular person.

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I know he was a modrn man but the idea he championed was of an islamic state for muslims....
If you love the idea of being secular then what was wrong in living with hindu majority india which was also going to be a secular state...You want a secular nation for followers of a particular religion is not this idea sounds funny....:D
If he believed in secularism he must had supported united india....
When you want separate state for a religion then that is just against the basic principle of secularism....:D

Waise which kind of secular pakistan he wanted?

like france where hijab is banned but christian nuns are allowed to don scarf

or like Turkey where head scarves are banned and changed script oif their own language

or India where they have Bhoomi Poojan for every big government project...and cow slaughter is not allowed and you can not buy meat if its Gandhi jayanti even if it is one of your Eid............:D

P.S. forgive any kind of typo mistakes........:D

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^^^ Secularism is another classic idea, but dictionary meaning of secularism never exist anywhere, human beings are not so evolved as yet:D

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There were slogans given by Muslim League like 'Pakistan ka matlab kia La Ilaha Illallah' besides ' Bun ke rahe ga Pakistan, butt ke rahe ga Hindustan'. Yes religion was used as a basis for demand of separate states, but no one knew how the areas are going to be divided till 1947. It was never thought by anyone that areas would be separated like in current form. People were thinking to live with people from other religions. There was no concept that minority would have to migrate towards the area where there fellow brothers in religion would be in majority. So people were till the last movement were ready to live together until the riots began.

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majority supporter of Pakistan were Hindustani muslims, they were most literate class of people but UP was always hindu majority, it amusing to find that people never thought what Pakistan meant partition of India or special rights for muslims, or loose federation like Allama thought, the tragic thing was their ancestor's land was declared not for them. Though muslims continued to live in India bust best lot went to Pakistan leaving others who had no option than to move in into self made ghettoes for protection. it is tragic if some hindus break into the house of muslims in allahbad and say this is not his city anymore, muslim moves into ghetto but in Punjab it was almost complete swap of population:(

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The situation in Sindh especially Urban areas was also not different :( Although, Mr Jinnah assured the minorities that they can live safe in their motherland but sooner the riots made Hindus to leave. A great loss to Sindh in shape of brain drain :(

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Also there was no concrete steps taken by the leaders to regulate movement of population nor any mechanism to stop riot, only Gandhiji as usual launched hunger strike to stop hindus to commit genocide, he also succeeded in Bengal, but no action was taken by either great Quaid or visionary Nehru:), they also mis managed territory of partition too, brit left some areas hanging so that sub continent can't remain in peace either:) they were destroyed hence they didn't leave us in peace, it is genetic problem in brown skin, we would have been years ahead if Goras continued to rule us:)

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BTW how were the policies of British during their rule on India ? Were they secular?

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some how they were more secular than us muslim and hindus....

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And why rebel started in British troops during 1857?

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I don't know if it is related to the topic at hand, but isn't it bit silly ( cannot come up with any other word) that first we dragged brits out of Sub Continent, and now we get in line or would do anything to get the Brit Passport!!!! I mean, it was us who derived them out of here why, because they were bad and now it is again we who want Brit Passport???? i Just don't get this??? aren't we two confused nation ( on both side of the borders)..