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Haha I wish I was that good. :hinna:
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Dude learn to discuss and be civil!
Its not just me there is whole debate of this portrait being over-rated. It is not universally considered a great masterpiece. 
Try not to show you are somehow ‘cultural’ by showing your half knowledge of the matter or blindly following the crowd.
If an artist cannot create an expression of a face and causes ambiguity, then the artist is not so great in making that painting.
One can create a big deal out of nothing and still can make nothing out of nothing.
http://www.lanceandeskimo.com/guest/overrated2.shtml
http://worldlyexposures.blogspot.com/2007/07/overrated-mona-lisa.html
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First of all, there is no debate here. A debate is almost always between two equals. What we have here is you thinking you have anything meaningful to contribute.
I hope you realised that everything in that painting is intentional and not an accident before calling Leonardo Da Vinci ‘not so great’.
How many times do I have to type the same thing again and again?
The Mona Lisa is not famous in art circles for the apparent beauty of the person it portrays. It is famous because it changed the way portraits and paintings are done. Its over-rated for people who have no interest in the actual painting itself. People who just observe the Mona Lisa from afar and judge it like its a beauty contest or as if it creates emotion or whatever might find it over-rated.
Blindly following the crowd? I just gave you specific reasons to why its famous in art circles. I’m not talking about the general public.
Seriously? For or Against is your reference? What exactly are those links supposed to show me? Haha!
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Intellectual people of world busy in debating on a hundreds of years old picture is of man or women.. on the other side of the world… we are stoning people to death ..
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First of all, there is no debate here. A debate is almost always between two equals. What we have here is you thinking you have anything meaningful to contribute.
I hope you realised that everything in that painting is intentional and not an accident before calling Leonardo Da Vinci 'not so great'.
How many times do I have to type the same thing again and again?
The Mona Lisa is not famous in art circles for the apparent beauty of the person it portrays. It is famous because it changed the way portraits and paintings are done. Its over-rated for people who have no interest in the actual painting itself. People who just observe the Mona Lisa from afar and judge it like its a beauty contest or as if it creates emotion or whatever might find it over-rated.
Blindly following the crowd? I just gave you specific reasons to why its famous in art circles. I'm not talking about the general public.
Seriously? For or Against is your reference? What exactly are those links supposed to show me? Haha!
For or against was to show there is difference of opinion.
How can someone know it was deliberate or intentional?
Like I said, one can make a big deal out of nothing.
The art is one way to make people go crazy and spend phenomenal amount of money on pieces of junk.
Watch the documentary "Mona Lisa curse" also.
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Yeah, like I said. Drivel.
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First of all, there is no debate here. A debate is almost always between two equals. What we have here is you thinking you have anything meaningful to contribute.
I hope you realised that everything in that painting is intentional and not an accident before calling Leonardo Da Vinci 'not so great'.
How many times do I have to type the same thing again and again?
The Mona Lisa is not famous in art circles for the apparent beauty of the person it portrays. It is famous because it changed the way portraits and paintings are done. Its over-rated for people who have no interest in the actual painting itself. People who just observe the Mona Lisa from afar and judge it like its a beauty contest or as if it creates emotion or whatever might find it over-rated.
Blindly following the crowd? I just gave you specific reasons to why its famous in art circles. I'm not talking about the general public.
Seriously? For or Against is your reference? What exactly are those links supposed to show me? Haha!
GDAISA,
You're right that it's not Mona Lisa's looks that make her famous. Your opponent deems "ambiguity" as a lack of talent.....BUT....art is subjective......and there are many works of art that are ambiguous.....and that are open to interpretation. Since art is subjective....you can type "Mona Lisa is an over-rated piece of junk" in your search engine and it will yield websites that support your personal opinion. Similarly, you can also find websites lauding the painting.
The Mona Lisa is not a picture of a famous person, the colors seem dull and gloomy even. But it's famous because during it's time period...many people were painted in a stiff way..in mostly profile form...and the whole length of of the body was painted. The Mona Lisa is painted in cropped form...(not her full figure) and since yo see her up close....and the background is muted....it creates a feel of greater intimacy....and other famous artists of that time period tried to emulate it. The position of her body....the fold of the arms...and the width of the body from the neck down create a sort of invisible pyramid that brings the viewers eyes back to the face. I remember learning in an art class in college....that through the elements/principles of design...an artist can direct where he or she wants the viewers eyes to travel. Also, during that time period, many artists would make the background of a painting just as bright in color and detailed as the people in the painting. This made them look less realistic. The reason being that things that are "far away" in the landscape should appear smaller and lighter in color. This is what the perspective in the Mona Lisa captured.....it really toned down the background....giving it a more realistic feel. The layering and blending of the colors to the point that gradation becomes almost imperceptible in the clothing and skin color is also a way of creating depth. Sometimes a work of art can be famous because it was "modern" or considered an "accomplishment" for its time period. Also, the "ambiguity" as to the identity of the "Mona Lisa" and her smile........make it mysterious. And for some, it's the mystery that adds to the charm of the painting. There is such a things as an "ambiguous smile or facial expression"...even in real life...there will be moments when you find it hard to read a person's facial expression.
I don't think the Mona Lisa is beautiful....and it's not my favorite painting. There are other works of art that I like better. But I can appreciate it for it's various techniques. Creating light and perspective in a drawing is tricky and that is something that artists try to capture/create in their works.
Again, since art is subjective....opinions will vary...and there is no definite right or wrong answer. Even for your opponent to say "No matter what one says, including so called technique...it was/is over-rated".............is an opinion.......and his opinion may be shared by others in this world.......but that doesn't make it a "fact."
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Great post RV :k:
That’s exactly what I’ve been saying again and again hoping he ‘gets’ it but your post lays it down.
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That's exactly what I've been saying again and again hoping he 'gets' it but your post lays it down.
Considering that he starts if off by saying "NO matter what one says" only indicates that he has made up his mind and therefore you can't have a "discussion" with him (and that's what he is scolding you to do)...that anything you say will warrant a smacking the forehead emoticon from him...or worse (the winking one)....and he won't be open to discussing technique because he won't consider it anything unique or out of the ordinary....and if he responds in a condescending and smug manner to you ....and you respond to his condescension......then your response will be seen by him as lack of civility. Mind you, he sees his own mocking tone/condescension....as decent behavior. It's pointless.
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Spot Freakin’ On. :hinna:
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^ah, but RV, that's what makes Diwana so special.
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"special" can also be considered a handicap :D
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Hahaha!
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Oye, you guys lay off Diwana arite... Diwana is never wrong mmmkay?
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Oye, you guys lay off Diwana arite... Diwana is never wrong mmmkay?
Oh don't worry, we KNOW that all too well. We just don't agree with such an absolute.
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Well Diwana doesn't care and seeing as how inspired I am by Diwana's posts, nor do I. Besides, what does a woman know about art anyway?
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Could very well have been a Punjabi man. I've seen similar smiles in khumaar after they consume a couple of jugs of heavy-duty lassi.
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Great! The thread became focused on me. 
There are always two sides of coin. I gave the other perspective with evidences. The portrait has absolutely no value for soooo many. This kind of art is no one’s sole domain. For some it could be so attractive and precious that they would not hesitate to spend huge amount of money on it. Silliness shown by so called art lovers has no limit at times.
Yes there could be a lot of paintings which would be considered attractive or meaningful, but this Mona Lisa one…over-rated.
A ‘piece of art’ with different colors thrown on something can be rotated four times (each side of the frame) and ‘art lovers’ every time would make ‘sense’ based on their own feelings. And the ‘artist’ could be a 3 year old who just spilled colors by accident on something. 
And better yet… still people cannot decide if they were drooling over a woman or man’s smile. 
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Wow. At the ganging up.