In 1982-83,Miandad was not out 280 against India at Hyderabad.The bowling was very ordinary and he had Sobers’ then world record 365 in his sights.But Imran declared at that point.Miandad was very bitter about it later.He could well have claimed the record if it hadn’t been for Imran’s declaration.
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NO
86 runs or Sober's record of 365* was still a long way away
However Imran probably should have delayed the declaration until Miandad reached his triple century
Team results are more important than personal milestones. Pakistan won the game and the test series 3-0
Remember Martin Crowe was once dismissed on 299!!!
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This was no ordinary record.Besides,there was plenty of time left in the Test match.There are seveal instances in recent years when time has been given to a batsman in sight of the record.Matthew Hayden and Brian Lara (twice) had enough time to go for the record.
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It is not like the match ended in 3 or 4 days. The game did go into a 5th day. Allowing Miandad to go for the record would have meant playing on for another 1.5-2 sessions and India might have then escaped with a draw. They had a very strong batting line-up in those days. There was no mandatory 90-overs per day rule then. You were lucky sometimes to get 70 overs in a day! Besides there was no guarantee. Miandad could have been out the very next ball. For arguments sake let's assume that Miandad succeeded in breaking the record, some people would still be arguing why he wasn't allowed to go for 400 which would have been unique. Where do you stop?
And Lara was the captain of Windies when he made 400* (i.e. called the shots himself)
Imran once declared the Pakistan innings against Zimbabwe with his personal score on 91*! I do not know of any test captain who has done that.
Anyways it is academic now since the record has been broken 3 times since then
Triple hundred was a reasonable expectation. Delaying the declaration any further would have been against team's interest
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Besides,there had been a players' revolt against Miandad's captaincy less than a year ago and Imran had got the captaincy as a result.Miandad has written about this in detail in his autobiography.
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within sights? okay then.. shame on imran for depriving miandad of his 500.
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This thread should be in a PA forum.
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Above being said I do not claim that there was no professional rivalry or jealousy between Imran and Miandad or between Wasim and Waqar or that they were always fair to each other. IK was not always fair to Miandad. Likewise Waqar was treated unfairly by Wasim when the latter became captain, cost him a good 10-12 tests. Imran refused to lead Pakistan in a couple of test series in the 80s for instance against NZ (who were touring minus Hadlees) because he felt that the opposition was too weak. Miandad took over as captain but then voluntarily stepped down as soon as Imran made himself available for tests again. I give Miandad credit for that.
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Imran had explained several times that winning the match was more important during the match at Hyderabad than letting Miandad go after Sober's record. And, Miandad did have his eyes on breaking that record. I recall reading his interview about that in the Cricketer magazine.
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I think what Imran has done was not only stupidity but caused lot of harm to himself and Pakistan.
1: Miandad has large fan club, plus Pakistan having such a big provincial problem, Imran decision was worse than just stupidity. His decision was seen as decision based on subayeet rather than merit, and that has created a lot of hate for Imran amongst a section of Pakistanis, even those who do not care for cricket or care about what score Miandad could have made. Even today many in Karachi consider Imran as Selfish and racist (tasubbi) and one of few examples they give about Imran biases is Imran declaring just to deprive Pakistan and Miandad getting highest test score record. Imran did not even gave Miandad any warning that he want to declare, so play fast and get the score in so many overs or time.
2: In cricket, a player record is not just his record but record of country. If Miandad had succeeded (not guaranteed) in getting world record than it would have been world record for Miandad as well as Pakistan. That ‘highest score’ record would have been more important for Pakistan than winning that particular match. On the other hand, Pakistan could have won that match anyhow regardless of playing on third day for one hour or until lunch 3rd day … and regardless, declaration did not gave any guarantee that Pakistan would have won the match.
3: Actually by declaring, Imran did not even thought of possibility that Pakistan could hold a test record that in test cricket is considered as ‘gem’ of all records.
4: Imran decision created grudge in the mind of a Miandad and many Pakistanis who would have preferred a record, and thus Imran decision was not good for the team, country or players … that even a test match win could compensate.
It is wrong to say that highest score record (or even triple century) would have been only Miandad personal achievement, just like to say that Imran Khan all-round achievement in cricket is only his personal achievement. An achievement by a person representing a country is not his personal achievement only but it is achievement for the country too, rather such achievement is more an achievement of the country than of the player or person representing the country. And to have record for highest individual score (or gem of all cricket record) is bigger achievement for a country than to win odd matches.
Just think … Len Hutton (364) … followed by Sober 365* runs as world record that stayed for longest or 45 years, then Hayden (380 runs) broke Sober record, followed by Lara (400* … now it is 501*). … Matches are won and lost every time it is played and very few remembers how many matches WI, Aus, or Pak won neither it is considered as important compared to some unusual records like ‘highest individual score’, but all remember that highest individual score record (gem amongst all cricket records) is held by WI since 1958 till today and they lost it for only 6 months to Australia (due to Hayden 380) … and before that the record was held by England (Hutton) for 20 years.
As far as I am concerned, I think as Pakistani I would be willing to swap a match win (even if it was certain win) for a chance of having highest individual test runs score record (considered as gem of all cricket records) for Pakistan, anytime.
At the time it was 4[SUP]th[/SUP] test and Pakistan was already up in series with 2-0 … so there was no chance of losing the series and every chance of winning the series regardless of 4[SUP]th[/SUP] test Pakistan had won or would have been drawn. … And worst is that, Imran could not have guaranteed when he declared that by declaring Pakistan would have won the match. So, trying to avail a chance for Pakistan of having world record of highest test score was more important, that Imran declaration that deprived Pakistan of having a go for that record.
We cannot even say but it is possible that next 2 matches after Hyderabad match against India was drawn, just because ill feelings and bad taste that got created within team due to declaration in Hyderabad test match that deprived chance of Pakistan achieving highest score world record.
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Here’s a definition: having or showing concern only for yourself and not for the needs or feelings of other people
Some food for thought: Lara’s 400 criticised - Cricket - www.theage.com.au
One only has to watch (again) the last hour play between South Africa and India yesterday to know how much a test win (or loss) means to a team. One might argue that the great efforts from Kohli, Pujara, Plesis and AB were ‘wasted’ by Dhoni and Smith being defensive but they would rather take a draw than any chance of a loss.
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The best way for imran should be to give Intimation to Miandad that innings will be declared in say 15-20 overs. He can play aggressively to achieve what ever is possible.
A surprise to a premier batsman playing at 280 is not good IMO.
Imrans declaring at 91* was only a century not a triple.
It was a mistake from Imran which had bad taste in mouth of many .
Another clear mistake from him was when he was propagating the thought of making Wasi akram captain while thigns were going very smooth under miandad. That I believe was one of the reason why grouping started in pk team which caused rift between miandad - waseem , waseem - waqar .
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Pakistan were already up 2-0 up in the series.That Indian team was no match for Pakistan.For Miandad,it was the opportunity of a lifetime.He and Mudassar had already equalled the then world record 451 run stand between Bradman and Ponsford.Records like these matter and are remembered for a long time.And yes,Imran should have given Miandad some indication about when he was planning to declare.At the very least,he should not have deprived Miandad of the chance to get his triple hundred.There was plenty of time for that.
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Saleem's comment is best exapmle of practicing Karachi-Lahore rivalry.
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With his shrewd mind and cricketing intelligence, Miandad could make a great captain if he did not prefer personal records over team needs.
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^^^Unlike Imran, Miandad always put team above his personal records and there is ample evidence for that.
Unlike Miandad, showing selfishness and not thinking of Pakistan is not unusual for Imran. He did that all the time throughout his life and career. Imran always had connections amongst decision makers, and used that to his full advantage. He was picking when to play and when not to play … for instance, when wanted to play he played even when he was unfit and could not contribute to the team, and did not play even when he was fit and country needed him. He was also bias full of provincial feelings, choosing player of his liking and ignoring merit or players he did not liked. He always had his pet players, and having connection amongst decision makers he always had his way.
When it comes to money or loyalty, Imran went for money (and personal fame), even at the expense of Pakistan. He even abandoned Pakistan cricket to join Kerry Parker cricket circus for money. At the time amongst recognised world players that Kerry Parker would have liked to hire, all selfish players abandoned their country and joined Kerry Parker (Imran was one of them)
At the time Miandad was Pakistan rising star, who not only had the highest test average of any Pakistani player (that he even holds today), but at the time had highest test average amongst all world active players. He would have been a good hire for Kerry Parker, but unlike Imran, Miandad rejected Kerry Parker offer, even though Miandad was from much poorer background then Imran.
At the time Pakistan announced that those who abandoned Pakistan would never play cricket for Pakistan. Unfortunately, when Kerry Parker circus ended, Pakistan took all those selfish players back in team, stabbing loyalty to the country, as those who abandoned Pakistan, especially Imran, had connections and connection of few benefitted all.
Later, Pakistan made Miandad Captain. Imran in collusion of cricket management and some players did everything to dislodge Miandad and became Captain. Under Miandad captaincy before handing it to Imran, Pakistan won 4 matches and 2 series (against Australia 1-0 and Sri-lanka 2-0); lost 3 matches and 2 series (against Australia 2-1 and West Indies 1-0). Miandad last series as Captain (in 1982) before handing over captaincy to Imran, Pakistan won series against Sri-Lanka 2-0. So, Miandad stepped down as successful captain and handed over Imran a winning team.
Miandad (most successful captain Pakistan ever had) could have kept his captaincy but seeing discord in team, he resigned and gave captaincy to Imran (completely a self-less move) … and within a year Imran back-stabbed Miandad and country by depriving him and country a chance to get highest test match score (sach kaha jata hay kay ‘jiss per ahsan karo uskay shaar say daro’). Waisay, Imran kay shar say na Iqbal Qasim bacha na Qasim umar.
But then, we are talking about Pakistan where people are so biased that when giving credit, they do not care about obvious merit and go for tasub, aqraba-parwari and selfish likes and dislikes.
Here is record of Pakistani top Captains who led Pakistan, whom I am putting down in order of merit. As world ranking depends on number of matches won with respect to matches lost, I am using that as criteria. For comparison, I have also included the record of Inzamam and Misbah.
[TABLE]
Matches Played
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Series Played
Ranking based on Performance as Captain
Captain
Played
Won
Lost
W/L ratio
Played
Won
Lost
W/L ratio
1[SUP]st[/SUP]
Miandad
34
14
6
2.33
11
7
4
1.75
2[SUP]nd[/SUP]
Mushtaq
19
8
4
2
7
3
1
3
3[SUP]rd[/SUP]
Imran
48
14
8
1.75
14
5
3
1.66
4[SUP]th[/SUP]
Wasim
25
12
8
1.5
12
7
3
2.33
Inzamam
31
11
10
1.1
14
5
5
1.00
Misbah
24
11
6
1.83
11
5
1
5.0
So: In terms of matches won and lost, Miandad was the best captain.
Even though Mushtaq played less than 20 matches as captain, I included him in above list, because it was Mushtaq who took charge of losing team and made Pakistan a winning them (and that is why for some, he is considered as the best Captain Pakistan had), followed by Miandad.
Imran has distinction of leading Pakistan in most Matches, but not distinction of winning most matches … as Imran and Miandad share that feat, though Imran as captain lost more matches than Miandad.
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I dont know imran was taassubi or not but most other points mentioned in sa1eems post are correct specially the pick and choose of Imran and Miandad's selflessness by returning captaincy to him.
I had great respect for miandad which unfortunately is no more specially when he joined PCB as director.
For sure Miandad never consider his own self ahead of country. If any one has proof than pl. show it . Will be information to me.
Young generation at this forum dont know about many sour things in our past.
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^^^Miandad did not returned but gave successful captaincy to Imran, because Imran was never a Captain before Miandad. Miandad did that because Imran was trying to bring discord in team and harming Pakistan cricket, just for the sake of Captaincy.
Miandad took over Captaincy from Asif Iqbal after Asif losing series 2-0 to India. Asif took over Captaincy from Wasim bari a failed Captain but became captain due to Mushtaq leaving a very successful captaincy for Kerry Parker circus and his dollars (like Imran, Zaheer, Majid, Asif, etc).
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Interesting, in Pakistan not allowing a person to complete his 300 runs is considered to be ethnically biased decision. What about axing ones own cousin wen he was not performing?
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Imran captaincy record after tasubi decision Imran made in Hyderabad depriving Pakistan and Miandad to have chance of getting highest test match score.
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Matches Played
Series Played
Performance
Captain
Played
Won
Lost
W/L ratio
Played
Won
Lost
W/L ratio
Worse than Inzamam
Imran
38
7
6
1.13
11
3
2
1.5
At least Inzamam won 11 out of 31 matches as captain Inzamam played, whereas Imran only won 7 out of 38 matches.