Was Jesus influenced by Hinduism and Vedas?

Was Jesus influenced by Hinduism and Vedas? THow will Christian Conservatives takes this theory? Jesus spent some of that time in Kashmir, was deeply influenced by Buddhist and Hindu teachings.

New film on Jesus’s ‘lost years’ in India

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London, 20 Nov. (AKI/Asian Age) - Did Jesus ever visit India? The Ahmadiyya Muslim community believes that Jesus survived the crucifixion and travelled to India where he lived a full life and got married. They believe that his tomb is in Indian Kashmir and that he had adopted the name of Yuz Asaf in Kashmir.

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A new Hollywood film will now focus on Jesus’ years in India, along with the three wise men, during the “missing years” of his life between the ages of 13 and 30 that are not mentioned in the New Testament.

The film, Aquarian Gospel, is based on the book of the same name that claims to be the true story of the life of Jesus, including "the ‘lost’ eighteen years silent in the New Testament.

The book, first published in 1908, was written by Levi H. Dowling during the late 19th century. Details from The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ by Russian anthropologist Nicholas Notovich have also been included in the script for the film written by John F. Sullivan and William Keenan, who is also the producer of the 20 million dollars adventure saga.

The film, which will be directed by Drew Heriot, will chronicle Jesus’ journeys from Israel through India, Tibet, Persia, Greece and Egypt, and his encounters with people of all creeds, classes and faiths.

The producers plan to use actors from the Middle East region, India, the Far East, Europe and America along with modern-day spiritual leaders in cameo roles, portraying prominent historical and religious figures that Jesus encountered.

The film will be shot using computer animation and actors, and the Hollywood filmmakers have started looking for suitable Bollywood and Hollywood actors.

“The Bible devotes just seven words to the most formative years of Yeshua’s (believed to be Jesus’ name in Aramaic) life saying: ‘The boy grew in wisdom and stature.’ The film will follow Christ’s journey to the East where he encounters other traditions, and discovers the principles that are the bedrock of all the world’s great religions,” the film’s director, Drew Heriot, was quoted as saying in The Guardian.

The film, which is due for release in 2009, will be a fantasy action adventure account of Jesus’ life, and will feature a “young and beautiful” princess.

However, there is no indication whether Jesus will have a love interest in the film.

“We think that Indian religions and Buddhism, especially with the idea of meditation, played a big part in Christ’s thinking. In the film, we are looking beyond the canonised gospels to the ‘lost’ gospels,” said William Keenan, the producer.

“We are looking at new themes. In our story, Jesus was loyal to the untouchables (in India) and he defended them with his life by saying that everyone could read the Vedas,” he added.

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Was Kashmir last destination of Christ?
Sat, 2008-01-26 03:08
By J. N. Raina - Syndicate Features

Did Jesus Christ die on the cross? Or did he migrate to Kashmir after his crucifixion, and lived there till his ripe age of 125? This belief, prevalent in Kashmir for ages, led to the influx of over 1600 Israeli tourists to the terrorist-infested valley last summer. Their main attraction: graves of Christ and Moses. The inquisitive tourists— ignoring the caveat, issued in Jerusalem recently on Jammu and Kashmir— flocked to the valley to see the tomb of Christ at Rozabal , Srinagar, and of Moses near Bandipore town in north Kashmir.

Numerous books have been published on Christ, some of them claiming that Jesus Christ had visited the land, which later came to be known as Kashmir, or Cashmire, its ancient name. Researchers have suggested that Jesus lies buried at Rozabal.

Aziz Kashmiri, a Srinagar-based editor of Urdu daily ‘Roshni’, has in his book “Christ in Kashmir” claimed that Kashmiris’ ancestors were one of the lost tribes of Israel, and that Jesus died in Kashmir. He has quoted numerous authors and scholars to prove his point that Christ had died in Srinagar. Aziz , who was my journalist colleague in Srinagar, before I migrated to Mumbai in 1990, had told me that his 30 years of research work on the subject had led him to believe that Christ did not die on the cross as stated in the Bible. ‘In fact, he had recovered from his wounds and fled from Palestine to Kashmir, until he died at the age of 125 or so’. This belief, however, is not corroborated by the Quran. People in general do not buy this theory.

The tomb lies in Srinagar in an underground room. There is also a black stone in a corner, which is said to have the signs of the foot- prints of Christ. A similar stone exists in Jerusalem. In October 1967, Muhammad Zafrullah Khan, the then judge of the International Court of Justice, during his speech in Toronto (Canada) said Christ did not die on the cross, but had fainted and thereafter migrated from Palestine to Kashmir via Afghanistan. “He died there and was buried in Srinagar”, he said, arousing interest of the world media.

Some other authors have made similar claim as quoted by Aziz, that the lost tribes of Jews had made their way to Kashmir and settled there. Moses also lies buried in Kashmir. Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, founder of the Ahmadiyya movement, revealed in 1890 that Christ did not die on the cross. He has written a comprehensive book ‘Izalah Auham’ and quoted from the Bible and the Holy Quran, saying that Christ escaped the ‘accursed death’ on the cross and set out secretly from Palestine in search of the lost tribes of Israel.

Quoting ancient scriptures, Ghulam Ahmad says “History bears evidence that in 721 BC, Sargon II captured the kingdom of Israel. The Jews were captured and exiled. Most of them went to Iran and Afghanistan and some of them went to India to settle in Kashmir. Jesus Christ, in order to fulfil his ‘divine mission’, visited them and finally at the age of 125 died in Kashmir”.

Evidence from the Buddhist sources has established that Christ came to India to fulfil the prophecy of Lord Buddha that after 500 years of his nirvana, ‘another Buddha would come and revive his true teachings.” In 1899, Khalifa Noor al-Din of Jalalpur (Gujarat), who had lived in Kashmir, pointed out that there existed in Srinagar a tomb of a Prophet, Yus Asaf or ‘ Isa Sahib’, who came to Kashmir from a foreign country.

Aziz Kashmiri quoted Hazrat Mirza as saying in his book “Masih Hindustan main” that evidence is available on Christ’s escape from the death on the cross and his travel towards Eastern countries. Mirza has evaluated evidence from more than 33 books of Materia Medica, that carry formula of ’ marham-i-Isa’ ( Jesus ointment) and shows it was the same ointment which was applied to the wounds of Christ ,caused by nailing him on the cross.

Historian Muhammad Din Fauq, author of many books on Kashmir, has said that ‘in Kashmir, Malik tribe is in majority. They are Bani Israel. Their great ancestor was Qasis, who was ancestor of Afghan tribe, a contemporary of Prophet Muhammad. According to Bernier, there are many marks of Judaism to be found in Kashmir.’ The inhabitants in the frontier villages struck me as resembling Jews’.

According to the ‘Encyclopaedia of America’, Dr Gibs Felentener (1548-1611) has identified Tartars with the lost ten tribes. Dr Froncios Bernier ( 1620-1688 ) speculates on the Kashmiris as descendents of the lost ten tribes, from certain customs and rites, and prevailing type of facial features, as also of the Afghans and the Tajiks of Badakshan being distinctly Hebraic’
The tomb of Moses is located on a mountain called ‘Booth’ in Bandipore. According to Aziz, the Bible confirms the fact that Moses passed away in Bandipore, which was known as Bethpoer in olden days. Prophet Jacob, says Bible, was called Israel by God, due to his bravery.

“Thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name” (Genesis, 35:10). Prophet Jacob had 12 sons: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin, Dan, Nephtali, Gad and Asher (Genesis, 35:23-26). They became the founders of 12 tribes of Israel, who are called Bani Israel (sons of Israel) or the ‘chosen sons of God’. They spread rapidly in Egypt, Syria, Palestine and other parts. But when cruel kings, including Nebuchadnezzar (597 BC) invaded, killed and enslaved them, only two tribes remained in Palestine and other ten were forced to migrate from Palestine. Some settled in Afghanistan, others in Balakh, Bukhara and Tibet and most of them reached North India through Central Asia and settled in Kashmir.

According to Pandit Hargopal Koul’s ‘Guldasta-I-Kashmir’, Kashmiri Pandits are the highest class of Aryans. Pandit Ram Chand Kak, former prime minister of Jammu and Kashmir during Maharaja Hari Singh’s rule, ‘Moses is a very common name in Kashmir…. There are many castes and tribes among Muslims and Hindus, which are mentioned in the Bible. Their ways and habits, features, shapes, morals, and character resemble those of Israelis. At Bijbehara near Anantnag town, there is a stone called ‘ka ka pal’ (ka in Kashmiri means eleven) resembling eleven tribes of Israel. Such a stone is also at Baramulla.

Civil servant turned writer -Kashmiriologist, Pervez Dewan, in his latest book, comments: “There can be no doubt that Jews used to visit ancient pre-Islamic Kashmir at the rate of one or two visitors a year. They were particularly honoured guests. This explains their stamp on some aspects of Kashmiri life. Some of them must have settled in Kashmir and accepted Hinduism (and later Islam). That explains why some Kashmiris have the ‘prominent noses’ that have intrigued European travellers so much.” His study also highlights Hebrew words in the Kashmiri language and makes a pointed reference some Jewish customs, food habits and beliefs found in Kashmir.

On the specific question - about the visit of Lord Jesus and Prophet Moses, Dewan banks on the manuscripts of the Bhavishya Maha Puran, Mullah Nadiri’s Tareekh-e-Kashmir and an ancient Buddhist manuscript in the Hemis caves in Ladakh. “If these documents have not been tampered with, then there can be no doubt but that Lord Jesus had lived for at least a while in Kashmir and Ladakh,” he concludes.

According to St Mark, there are discrepancies in the Gospels about the hour when Jesus was crucified. “Jesus did not die on the cross, as is the popular belief, but in fact he had fainted. The evidence which points to this are the Gospels, all of which stated that Jesus was taken down from the cross at the 9th hour, for the other day was Sabbath day. In those days, bodies could not remain on the cross on Sabbath.”

The historians of those days are a witness to the fact that no one died on the cross within such a short time, but normally were left to suffer for many days”, says Aziz.” When Jesus was taken down from the cross, he was actually dead faint, and people thought he was dead. “What happened afterwards is simple…..he was taken to a cave-like structure where he was rubbed with Marham Isa, an ointment to heal wounds, which is still in use. When he recovered, some three days later, he was disguised as a gardener (the same gardener Mary saw) as his friends were afraid that Pilate would see him and realize that he was really alive.

Jesus did escape from his enemies and he was eventually given shelter at another place, of which a complete description is given. Kashmir is the only place which fits in that description. According to the Quran, “there he lived, carried on his preachings and died.” A group of German scientists had carried out investigations regarding the shroud of Christ. The outcome of the research has shown that 2000 year old shroud of Christ has been found in the Italian town of Turin. They made their discovery known to the Pope then, but he reportedly said nothing.

Thomas was the twin brother of Christ (Dictionary of Bible by Hastings, Vol IV, 753, also John 20:24). Thomas in Hebrew means twin. This very person, whose name in Ikmal al-Din, Arabic history, written some 1000 years after, appears as Babad (which also means a twin) buried Christ after his natural death.

Avatar Meher Baba too asserts in his discourses that Jesus had visited to Kashmir valley and that after the crucifixion the body of Jesus was brought to Kashmir for burial.

Kashmir’s first written historical work ‘The Rajatarangini’ has also referred unambiguously to a Christ-like seer who was crucified by a Herod-like king and who lived in and ruled over Kashmir, possibly in the 1st century AD. In any case, there’s an enormous amount of circumstantial evidence that indicates that Jesus and Moses might have come to Kashmir.

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Since Christian Conservatists believe Jesus never visited India since the Gospels doesn't say he did, and he died on the cross, they would laugh at the theory.

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The historians of those days are a witness to the fact that no one died on the cross within such a short time, but normally were left to suffer for many days
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Exactly why the Roman soldier had to proof that Jesus WAS dead by sticking a spear through his side tille water and blood flow out.

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Thomas was the twin brother of Christ (Dictionary of Bible by Hastings, Vol IV, 753, also John 20:24)
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"Thomas" means "twin" but does not mean he was Jesus' twin. John.20v24 does not say he was Jesus' twin either.

Some of Jesus' disciples reached India as he commanded them to spread the Gospel to all people. I suppose people started all these farfetched theories on the basis of this fact.

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here we go again.....

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No...Jesus was not influenced by any other "religion". I consider him to be on par with Buddha!(with all info i know about both of them). So I really doubt whether he believed in anything called "religion". Hence, this topic should not make any difference to jesus christ himself. All this talk is usually brought forward by extremely proud "hindus". Why should they care even if it is true??...Just leave it. Ofcourse, if they want to continue whatever they are telling, can continue with it.

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the word used in the bible is blood and water gushed out. does that happen if someone is dead?

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this might be off topic but it's in relation to Christianity- what is the significance of the Jesus fish? Is there some story behind it? Can somebody who has studied the various religions help me here pleeeez

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Just a quick correction that Jesus never commanded his disciples to go to far off places and spread the religion:

Jesus commanded the twelve by saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Mat 10:5-7)

Merriam-Webster defines 'gentile' as:

'a person of a non-Jewish nation or of non-Jewish faith;

It was their own decision to go to peoples who were certainly not among 'the lost sheep of the house of Israel'.

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Soldiers are used to death and would know when someone was faking it. The Bible states:

The soldiers therefor came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other. But when they came to Jesus **and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. Instead, one of the soldiers peirced Jesus' side with a spear, bring a **sudden flow* of blood and water.*

The way people were crucified was that they had to push themselves up with their feet in order to breath. That's why the soldiers broke the legs so that the people could die.

Water and blood will come out if the person recently died. The spear obviously pierced the bladder. The soldiers made sure Jesus was dead by, most probably, giving the stroke of death.

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Just a quick correction that Jesus bdid** command his disciples to go to far off places and spread the religion :)

Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefor go and make disciples of **all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.... - Matt.28v18-19

The scripture you quote came during Jesus' ministry when he was primarily concerned with the Jewish nation. When they did not respond, ALL people were called to partake of Jesus' grace. It is clearly explained in Jesus' parable of the Wedding Banquet in Matt.22v1-14. See also Acts.10v34-48 etc.

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Fish in Greek is ICTHUS. Jesus asked his followers to be fishermen of people. The early Christians used the symbol of the fish to communicate to others secretly that they were Christians during the time they were persecuted and killed. They broke the Greek word up as follows:

I = Iesous or Jesus (Greek and Latin pronounced the I as J as they did not have a J in their alphabet)
C = Christos or Christ
Th = Theou or God
U = Yios or Son Of
S = Soter or Saviour

All together it then reads: Jesus Christ, Son Of God, Saviour

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Jesus. Is such an enigmatic figure, probably unique. Christianity is obviously wound around him, Muslims. Accept him as a prophet and. I've heard it all when there's this curious aspect of being influenced by Hinduism!

Not to forget he was born a Jew!

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BBC News - Tourists flock to ‘Jesus’s tomb’ in Kashmir

A belief that Jesus survived the crucifixion and spent his remaining years in Kashmir has led to a run-down shrine in Srinagar making it firmly onto the must-visit-in India tourist trail

**In the backstreets of downtown Srinagar is an old building known as the Rozabal shrine.

It’s in a part of the city where the Indian security forces are on regular patrol, or peering out from behind check-posts made of sandbags.

There are still occasional clashes with militants or stone-throwing children, but the security situation has improved in recent times and the tourists are returning.
When I first searched for Rozabal two years ago, the taxi circled around a minor Muslim tomb in a city of many mosques and mausoleums, the driver asking directions several times before we found it.

The shrine, on a street corner, is a modest stone building with a traditional Kashmiri multi-tiered sloping roof.

A watchman led me in and encouraged me to inspect the smaller wooden chamber within, with its trellis-like, perforated screen.

Through the gaps I could see a gravestone covered with a green cloth.
When I returned to the shrine recently though, it was shut - its gate padlocked because it had attracted too many visitors.

The reason? Well, according to an eclectic combination of New Age Christians, unorthodox Muslims and fans of the Da Vinci Code, the grave contains the mortal remains of a candidate for the most important visitor of all time to India.

‘Crazy professor’

Officially, the tomb is the burial site of Youza Asaph, a medieval Muslim preacher - but a growing number of people believe that it is in fact the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth.

They believe that Jesus survived the crucifixion almost 2,000 Easters ago, and went to live out his days in Kashmir.

“What else could they do? They had to close it,” Riaz told me.
His family home almost overlooks the shrine, and he is witheringly dismissive of the notion that Jesus was buried there.

"It’s a story spread by local shopkeepers, just because some crazy professor said it was Jesus’s tomb. They thought it would be good for business. Tourists would come, after all these years of violence.

"And then it got into the Lonely Planet, and too many people started coming.

“And one foreigner…” he gave me an apologetic look, “broke off a bit from the tomb to take home with him. So that’s why it’s closed now.”

On cue, a couple of unwashed and exhausted Australians appeared, carrying the latest edition of the Lonely Planet travel guide to India, which, sure enough, carried the tale of Jesus’s tomb, with some caveats about crackpots and blasphemy.

They asked me to take a photo of them outside the shrine - but were not desperately disappointed that it was closed.

The tomb of Jesus was just another place to tick off on their tourist-in-India must-visit list.

Famous meeting

The ruins of a Buddhist monastery in a spectacular location halfway up a mountainside north of Srinagar are not, yet, mentioned in the Lonely Planet.
It’s a spot that I had previously been unable to visit, because as a senior police officer told me, it was “infested with terrorists”.

But the watchman now seemed prepared for the arrival of mass tourism, with his 50 words of English, and his hidden stock of ancient terracotta tiles for sale.
He informed me that Jesus was among the religious leaders who attended a famous Buddhist meeting here in AD80, and even pointed to the place where he sat.
The stories of Jesus in India are not just aimed at gullible tourists - they date back to the 19th Century.

They were part of attempts to explain the striking similarities between Christianity and Buddhism, a matter of great concern to 19th Century scholars - and also a desire among some Christians to root the story of Jesus in Indian soil.
Missing years

There is talk of the missing years of Jesus, unmentioned in the gospels, when he was between the ages of 12 and 30.

And in Islam, in which Jesus is the penultimate prophet, there is also a minority tradition adopted by the controversial Ahmeddiya sect, that Rozabal does contain the grave of Jesus.

Professional historians tend to laugh out loud when you mention the notion that Jesus might have lived in Kashmir - but his tomb is now firmly on the tourist trail - and a growing number of credulous visitors believe that he was buried in the Rozabal shrine.
And for those who scoff, remember that others have argued, just as implausibly, that Jesus came to Britain.

A theory that was much in vogue when the poet William Blake famously asked: “And did those feet in ancient time, walk upon England’s mountains green? And was the holy Lamb of God on England’s pleasant pastures seen?”
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:rolleyes: why don’t you hindus and qadianis put it in your head that WE MUSLIMS believe Isa (pbuh) to be a Messenger from Allah, he does not need to be influenced by some Hindu pandit nor some false prophet nor is his tomb somewhere in Kashmir!

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All of the Messengers were influenced by Allah swt.

Allah swt sent messengers to every corner of this land. And they all carried the same message. If you read any holy scripture with reverence, you will find HUGE commonalities among them.

Thus as Muslims we should consider Vedas, Gita, and many many other books as holy, even though Quran is our source of guidance.

Any resemblance between the message of Eesah/Jesus pbuh and vedas and Quran and Injeel, and Tora is because Allah swt sent those books to the people who follow them now.

**Did Christ End Up in India? **

By Abu B. Salahuddin

Did Christ End Up in India? | Letters | Chicago Reader

The staff of the Reader should know that the significance of Professor Sheehan’s “revelations” pertaining to the historicity of Jesus Christ goes far beyond what he has revealed [April 21]. And one wonders whether or not Professor Sheehan is as “radical” as he would like us to believe or whether, in fact, Professor Sheehan is no more than a very willing “spokesman” for a church which appears to be crumbling to the dust, and needs someone like Sheehan to keep the boat afloat by offering a new “interpretation.” An interpretation, on the one hand, “radical” enough to withstand the onslaught of the growing body of evidence regarding the post-crucifixion life of Jesus Christ, but “conservative” enough to keep the “taffy” (borrowing Sheehan’s metaphor) from breaking, by offering all that is left of Church-Christianity–the essence of Christ’s teachings

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Jesus was not Blue Eyed White Person

He was porcelain-skinned, strikingly handsome and did not have blue eyes.
The image has been created for the History Channel’s upcoming special, “The Real Face of Jesus,” which is set to air next week. He did not die on crucifix but died in India. Also Dec. 25 was not the day Jesus was born. The origin of Christianity is due also to Hindu and Buddhist influence.

These influences from India may come as a surprise to many Christians. Yet they were often discussed in the early 19th century when Europe discovered the Vedas and the Upanishads in translation. European philosophers, especially Soren Kierkegaard, were amazed by the evangelical tone of these holy books from India. More recently, with the discovery of the Dead Sea Biblical manuscripts, some archaeologists who specialize in religion have spoken once again of an Indian connection between Buddhist monks and the Essenian community which lived next to Jerusalem.

Did Jesus Die in India? by Kusum Choppra

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^ I am not sure but wasn’t you who posted Jesus AS was a vegetarian?

Oh I found the thread..:wink:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/347920-jesus-vegetarian.html

saray G

What does your post mean that you pasted here in reply to my 15?

Puzzled!

if the soldiers made sure that He(AS) was dead, then why do Christians have a thing against jews? for the jews, they have gotten their answer...according to them, they killed him(AS). Doesnt matter what Bible says afterwards, whether it was his twin or whatever is irrelevant. According to jews, they killed him and therefore their reasoning of Him(AS) for not being a true Messiah.

This is why Quran clears Him with all the kinds of misconceptions which were going around. Quran says that they killed him not, nor did they crucify him, but it was made to appear to them as one crucified. Therefore, if one looks at that verse from Quran, it is obvious that He (AS) survived the crucifixion and lived His normal life and died a natural death. Then, the Biblical verse presented above about the blood's gushing/sudden flow clarifies it further..

So, really, its clear that Jews were misguided and that they did not kill him. If they had ( doesnt matter if some people say it was His twin ), for the jews, they think they killed him.. but Quran says they killed him not, nor did they crucify him.