okay i know the so called ‘liberal’ guppies are going to have a field day with this but iam just curious though why was it necessary for Ibrahim to break the idols? wasn’t it disrespectful towards other religion and also towards his father? Islam is suppose to be the religion of peace and tolerace. i dont see how breaking idols was doing Islam any good? :-/
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Peace comes when kuffr is wiped out. There is no argueing that point because you either follow Islam and are at peace with GOD... or you do kuffr and are at war with GOD.
It's as simple as that.
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Allah's house is for Allah's worship only. When they put the filth there, it had to be removed. Allah has been around, eventhough his creature forgot the lesson which was taught by Noah and Shesh PBUT.
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Maybe, the definition of filth for someone is soemthing sacred for you
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And for your information... at this time there is no dar al islam after the taliban government was illegaly overthrown.
So no matter which country one goes to... it is darl al haram and kuffr is present.
Nice try but next time try harder.
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suroor, yes it was necessary. Hazrat Ibrahim did the right thing. He was following Allah's command.
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suroor, they were his idols. Some say his father was the custodian while others say his uncle. In other traditions, his family used to carve them out. It also needs to be noticed that he didn't destroy some other tribes idols but his own. Nor he went on an idol destroying mission across the world known to him.
Also, none of the traditions say anything about the Holy Prophet (saw) destroying idols outside the khana kabba.
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In Islam the religion of Allah, the God of Ibrahim (person in question) idols are considered as filth (najis and napak) and since HIS house was effected by it, it was HIS order to destory them.
Sur..AJee is derailing your topic by pouring a tribal conflict into Idol destruction. Initially the order was to destroy the Idols in Ka’aba, so Prophet (saw) did that. That symbolic act was enough to clean up the idolism from the whole Arabian peninssula if there were any other idols.
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Guys, cut down on personal insults and inane dialogue. Else all of you may get kicked out, and then we hear that "he started it" etc. Really no point.
Suroor... I think the stories of Hazrat Ibrahim and Hazrat Muhammad (May Peace and Blessings Be Upon Them Both) are perfect examples to explain a very important lesson to the followers. The Messangers of God, as well as true believers, lived their lives the way their Creator told them to live. They did not necessarily take the easy way out by sticking to love and harmony and tolerance. In many instances, the Right way was to demolish signs of kuffar and mushriks on the commands of the Creator. In some other instances, the Right way was to negotiate a peace treaty with the non-believers (like Treaty of Hudaibiya and Treaty with Jews of Medina).
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Okay suroor sorry :). And I tried to answer your question but only the haters of Islam seemed to pick up on it.
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The whole earth is our Allah's property, PC was probably born in whatever country he's currently residing in and since the Muslim lands are not much better than the majority Kaafir occupied countries he doesn't need to migrate anywhere if he can practice the True Religion freely wherever he is.
No body is indebted to the Kuffaar for living in 'their' countries, we and our parents have paid thousands of pounds in taxes and carry on doing so, we work hard to give something back to these countries and whatever we have achieved is through our own sweat and blood and not through their favours, we abide by their laws and we’re only here to earn our bread and butter not here to subdue anyone like they have done to us in the past (e.g. British colonies) and continue to do so today.
If you still insist on Mullah minded people leaving, they will do the day the Kuffaar (namely the West) undoes the damage it has done to the Muslim world whether that was in the form of toppling our (Uthmani/Ottomon) Caliphate & diving us or overthrowing our empires (e.g. Mughal/Mogul) and looting our lands of wealth thereby setting us back a good few centuries.
Whether anyone admits it or not most of the Muslim worlds problems are due to Christendom and our own apathy, the day they get their pale unwashed butts out of our lands we’ll gladly leave them and head ‘home’, the day they pull out their armies and puppets out of our nations and leave our resources to us so that we can utilise them for the benefit of our people instead of just pouring it away to America for free.
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This statement is what I have problem with…(I think…)
Could you define “when kuffr is wiped out” in your ^ statement?
Are you saying anyone who does not follow Islam should be wiped out?
Or ..
Are you saying that non-Islamic religious symbols should be removed when located within an Islamic Holy place?
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^ Exactly that was my point as well.. But my post was removed.. I did not abuse anybody.. i just wanted to know wheather this is the view expressed by majority of Muslims..
Why was my post removed.. did I insult somebody..
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Posts such as "Peace comes when kuffr is wiped out. " don’t get edited, but posts that question it do? Great day for a “Religion” forum 
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if mr.hazrat felt good by breaking his toys that's his business.
but any monkey that says all idols are filth needs to clean up its act
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There are so many statements in this thread that are very hard to digest. including “love and tolerance are easy way (out).”
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Suroor, thousands of pagan ‘gods’ die everyday, fallen from shelves, dropped while moving…
They are just statues…Why should there be disrespect?
It’s not like it’s a holy relic such as a book, a prayer place or an object of divine merit…
It’s a statue, millions are made everyday…
And Ibrahim :as: broke it, that if a god can be broken with an axe, how well can he support himself?
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books can be printed more easily than carving out an intricate idol statue. and who decied what is object of divine merit or not?
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How can someone judge how sacred an object is to someone else?
If we can, then there is no surprise if someone destroys a book of scripture. I mean there are millions of Qurans printed and they are just books. And there are billions of other books on earth. How can inanimate, man made, paper and ink be sacred?
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Peace is War
...said a famous author in his famous book...
Some streams of religion have unfortunately fallen into this dystopian outlook of truth and reality. And the best part of it is, that you believe its a utopia because you suspend any semblance of logic.
..my 2 cents..