warnig by sectarian biased moderator

sweetif is a biased moderator (sectarian bias) and shouldnt be allowed to moderate r&s

she has just removed a perfectly legit post and given a warning to conversations which would have been self moderating, even if discussing hypocrisy, belief and the origin of religious guidance

if you get two different claimants to islam, and these subjects are allowed here,then these subjects will have to be discussed by the various members with respect to their own faiths texts and evidences

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/review-folder/587895-re-weak-traditions-associated-with-ali-ibn-abitalib-karamallahwajho.html#post9306254

she has removed a post of mine which could help the two groups to appreciate each other

in responce to someone accusations on the Companions of our Prophet SAW, she has removed his post and mine but mine shouldnt have been removed.

why was my post removed and why was a warning given?

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Just saw this after replying to your PM in which we were so kindly discussing this exact same issue. Whilst I try my utmost to filter through all the posts I do get caught up thus why I haven't moved or noticed other posts, rest assured I will get to it. Other than that, I have nothing more to say to you other than what I have already sent you a PM about. This thread was not needed when we can continue via PMs.

Thanks.

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Sweetif had nothing to do with your post, it was cleared by her CM’s first which in this case were me and Sohaib and all three of us are Sunnis so the sectarian accusation is odd.

Secondly look brother, I appreciate your need to discuss certain texts, but I have time and time again edited a few posts by a few people who in anyway whether intentionally and unintentionally had been found posting questionable links that showed one sect in a bad light. I have politely posted reminders a few times in threads.

Here they are just in the last few weeks:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/585761-shehzan-juice-peenay-say-mutaliq-koi-fatwa-3.html#post9290163
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/586228-messengers-of-allah-versus-so-called-imams-2.html#post9282689
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/583606-ban-on-processions-religious-rulings-3.html#post9269878
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/584530-united-muslims-shia-sunnis-wahabis-3.html#post9268052
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/584530-united-muslims-shia-sunnis-wahabis-3.html#post9268049

You will appreciate that posting such stuff will start a mud-slinging match which never ends good.

R&S Moderators in the past don’t really care who’s Shia Sunni. Few weeks ago we spent cleaning up anti-Sunni stuff, prior to that anti-Shia stuff and just recently anti-Ahmedi stuff.

Warnings given are the last resort. Infact this was my message to my Moderators today as well. I think I have left enough warning notes in threads to advise people to stop posting sectarian stuff and edited a few posts, I think that’s fair, no?

If you still feel hard done by please PM me or Sohaib by all means. :k:

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Also my understanding is that this problem is being discussed in PM's with you and the R&S team, as I am in one of the PMs.

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shardmanny: There is nothing wrong in discussing various viewpoints and more specifically sects in a religion forum. In fact this is why religion forum is there in the first place.

Your 'perfectly legit' post contains name calling which can lead to sectarian hate if not equates sectarian hate. Which my friend goes totally against your intention of 'letting two groups to appreciate each other'.

For future reference, please try to avoid using derogatory terms for other sects. Argue in a peaceful manner rather than trying to inflame using weird terms.

I am sure you would appreciate the fact that religious intolerance is at an alarming high in our society and the least we can do as posters is to argue respectfully.

Moderator in question has acted promptly and more importantly fairly.

Looking forward to your understanding and improved participation to the forum.

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whether intentionally and unintentionally had been found posting questionable links that showed one sect in a bad light.
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sister/brother shak, part of the Problem is that the current moderators do not understand that when two sects say even well structured sentences to each other the implications sometimes are very harsh. indeed the islamic responce is harsh too. so with your current rules and how you are implementing, specifically my warning and post removal, you are infact just strengthening .liberalism and pacifying islamic thought

now sweetif says she removed my post because it contained a vid where a shia scholar says other shia scholar hide facts like how the Quran describes the jewish rabbis. if appreciated as it should be, this point could bring people closer. of course it will.the fact is most will not immediately move to a different position but it may help them in the future.

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Which my friend goes totally against your intention of 'letting two groups to appreciate each other'.
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the appreciation is in understanding each others viewpoint, the viewpoints can be harsh, very harsh. for example x person says i commit open adultry im a muslim, we should tell them this is zina, and Allah SWT has given such and such warnings against it. the appreciation may not come immediately but it might later.

with the understanding of the current mod team we'd have to tell them it was A1 ok, carry on!

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You did not wait for our reply in PM and came back here again, which is disappointing.

:konfused:

Now your post.

‘‘a vid where a shia scholar says other shia scholar hide facts’’

I have patiently explained above, that videos which bash sects are not allowed. What is to say that Shias won’t mind this video and hence retaliate by posting anti-Sunni stuff? What is to say they won’t care if the video was by a Shia or not? I mean you’ve labelled us anti-Sunni even though we are both Sunnis :stuck_out_tongue:

“And Allah will judge with (Justice and) Truth: but those whom (men) invoke besides Him, will not (be in a position) to judge at all. Verily it is Allah (alone) Who hears and sees (all things).”
Surat al-Mu’min 40 Verse 20

I am sure being a devout Muslim you will agree not to judge others. You do not know me or the R&S Moderators personally hence you are not in a position to pass judgement on our understanding of our religion. That is upto God, not anyone else.

I have given a detailed reply above as to my attempts to make sure noone feels targeted regardless of what they believe in. I am sure you agree that is what our religion teaches us as well and like you that is what we are tirelessly trying to achieve in R&S.

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Just a question on topic of moderators. Why appoint moderators who rarely wandered to that forum? I mean give it to some1 who's neutral sure, but someone with presence and knows the participants of said forum well enough to moderate topics. This is just my tiny observation, didn't see much of sweet.if in R.

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Moderators are chosen on their ability to perform. Sweetif has been a CM before for years and was excellent. I have not been in Cafe or AV much at all yet I was Mod and CM there more than once, and not to toot my horn but I did okay :p We also learn that way, I had not been in PA much but now I am since I was appointed a Mod here, and I have loved every second of it. I might not agree with some posters but people like sachay, AP etc are very good to debate with.

Pretty much the same all across GS. Huma will talk about this more if needs be

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I have been contemplating lately to open a thread on this shia sunni threads surge.

Why do we even allow these kind of useless threads which basically are for pulling each other legs?

If Ahmadi non-Ahmadi arguments have some restrictions then why Shia Sunni 'debates' are not?

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Thanks for bringing this issue diwana, we will have a look at the current R&S policies and like always make sure noone can be targeted, as we added all the above into PA/WA just to be even more clear i.e. sectarian stuff won’t be tolerated. We have acted pretty quickly to any hate threads so I wish to assure everyone any hateful material is not allowed or tolerated. I have also linked several links above advising posters to make sure nothing questionable happens, and 99% of them always respond well.

Also we have moved a lot of stuff at times ie recently but like always sometimes some stuff can be missed so please PM us or report that post immediately. :k:

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If we are not allowing any one to comment on Ahmedis, and may not allow some one to comment on shias then kindly dont make sunnis sitting ducks. Dont allow any one to comment on sunnis as well, hence close the forum. :)

What i suggest is to create a sub forum where only selected people who can behave in discussions be allowed to post in those sensitive discussion and then support their point with legitimate religious text, others may just view that forum but nor participate.

Main forum may be used for other religious information sharing.

In this way we can share out knowledge and reply to some one who want to discuss sensitive issues.

Being the babagee( in terms of stay/age only :) ) at this forum,i think moderators and team are doing good.Let sweet i.f work and i think she willdo good just like brother LKK,submission to peace or psyah or for oldies moratorium wali sarkar faisal.

:)

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That is a pretty aggressive charge by OP. Glad to see said charge addressed in a calm and polite manner. Looking forward to such professional conduct being the norm.

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I'm sorry, why does it have to be "harsh, very harsh"? No matter how the sensitive the topic may be, it is always, always possible to have a discussion in a calm manner without offending others. If someone confesses to committing adultery, I can just say look that's gunah-e-kabira, no two ways about it, end of story. Or I can also say you're a disgrace and you're going to hell. Which of the two approaches is better? In your post, you were comparing shia scholars to jewish rabbis, you were calling them liars, fabricators, corrupt, trying to bring Islam down etc and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that this would've offended the other sect. No one is going to appreciate anything that may be deemed offensive so like Sohaib said, please reconsider your style of debating which in your own words is harsh and please choose your words carefully given the sensitive nature of these discussions. You do seem knowledgeable so we do appreciate the contributions you make to R&S however there's obviously a need to be just a little more sensitive. Hope that's not asking for too much.

This is one of the criteria for selecting mods, that they should be knowledgeable about the forum they moderate. However, another very important criterion is that they should be able to spend at least 1-2- hours on their assigned forums everyday, not only policing the forum but making positive contributions to the forum. While some of the regular posters of R&S fulfilled the first criterion, none of them could commit to what we require from our moderators when we approached them with an offer. There are only a handful of posters amongst the regulars in R&S who we thought were "mod material" however they either didn't have the time or they just didn't want to handle a sensitive forum like R&S. It was then that we started looking for options out of R&S and sweet.i.f. is well able for this role. Bear with her and give her some time to settle into R&S and you won't have any complaints as far as her performance is concerned I'm sure.

But why can't people respect others' sensitivities in the main forum too? It doesn't matter if you're a shia/sunni/hindu/atheist, you should be able to share your views without offending others, it's not rocket science.

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Huma I am sure you meant well. I am confused abt comparinf Shiva scholars to rabbis - liars fabricators. You stated that would offend the other sect. IMO it would offend both sects. You probably meant to include both - maybe that was understood. Just pointing out how I nearly misunderstood.

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Freudian error by autocorrect - Shia spelt as Shiva!! Maybe sign from above? Har Har Mahadev!!

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In past I participate in discussion in RS but not more but I'm still regular silent reader of it. There are a lot of issues in which members have different faith and opinions as per my experience the discussion get heat up and end on disheartening each others. I seen quite positive debates here also and its good to learn and understand. What I think GS just make sure that no any new commer with 1 or 2 posts should not allow to open a new thread coz soome one just came here to spread dirt and hate and even not participate again but the thing he start get tense up. Any way I like SweetIF as she dealing with the matters. Keep it up Mods.

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I am suggesting a way forward, why just ban the discussion, why not start with letting selected knowledgeable discuss?as a first step. :)

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@ Huma - IMO if OP called the Shia sect names such as liars, corrupt and other derogatory names, it calls for sterner language from all of you. It is amazing your response is so gentle. Knowledgeable? What use is knowledge when carte Blanche insults on an entire community is hurled. Show little more sensitivity? How about such hate speech will not be tolerated?

We place a lot of emphasis on not getting into personal attacks ( rightly so). And yours truly is not proud of engaging in this activity at times. But attacking a whole sect? Actually two sects. That is definitely worthy of much sterner language, IMO

Not that you need my endorsement. But I do respect you - a lot. IMO OP has not earned such a gentle response from the mod team. I am out.

@ bao - who decides who these selected knowledgeable folks are. To be honest, your post triggered this response. Knowledge when used to put down an entire sect is not worth having. Better to be less knowledgeable.