I assume all of us have heard the age old adage, “Khoon rang laye ga…”, meaning the blood will show its true colors…
How true is that? So are we to assume that it is written in our DNA that a son of a thief will become a thief while the son of a brave warrior will grow up to be a brave warrior…
Is Islam truly in the grips of a war between blood types? Is there a war going in the Ummah between dirty blood and noble blood? That some while being born Muslims, lead lives of debauchery giving up commands of th Almighty while many lead lives based on the Quran and Sunnah, a system of belief centuries old?
For myself, I believe blood does show its colours…In the actions, speech and behaviour of a person, it manifests itself and becomes apparent as views and perspectives…
Some people consider wealth or education to be a criteria for good or bad blood…Some people’s criteria is how a person behaves while others consider it knowledge and for some it is devotion and fidelity to faith…
Isn’t this why we seek pious wives and pious husbands? So that the blood that we pass on is good blood?
So how do you explain the likes of Yusuf Estes who embraced Islam and became an Imam from being a Pastor? How about so many who lead lives surrounded by all types of depravity yet they come out of it sublime and at peace…
Yet, how can you describe someone who is given the best education and knowledge about his faith yet turns out to be a creature led by desire…
How true is that? So are we to assume that it is written in our DNA that a son of a thief will become a thief while the son of a brave warrior will grow up to be a brave warrior...
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I don't think that's necessarily true. If the thief had a sickness or was mentally imbalanced that it led him to a life of crime, it's possible that his offspring could do the same because diseases (mental and physical) can be passed on. However, if there are factors independent of health, such as upbringing and environment, then it is not always true that the son of a thief will only be a thief. It's unfair to say that just because my father or mother did something, I am destined to do the same. Sometimes that theif can get a second chance at his life and try his hardest ot make sure his son doesn't go down the same path. However, I doubt the "genes" a brave warrior has can be passed down to his son. I think the likelihood of his child becoming a brave warrior depends on the upbringing. So basically, you can have a thief whose son ends up being a brave wrarior and a brave warrior whose son is a thief. **
Is Islam truly in the grips of a war between blood types? Is there a war going in the Ummah between dirty blood and noble blood? That some while being born Muslims, lead lives of debauchery giving up commands of th Almighty while many lead lives based on the Quran and Sunnah, a system of belief centuries old?
For myself, I believe blood does show its colours...In the actions, speech and behaviour of a person, it manifests itself and becomes apparent as views and perspectives...
Some people consider wealth or education to be a criteria for good or bad blood...Some people's criteria is how a person behaves while others consider it knowledge and for some it is devotion and fidelity to faith...
*Wealth or education doesn't really reflect on that person's character and personality. Maybe they worked extremely hard to get to higher positions and get good jobs and do wel in school, or maybe they were just handed everything on a platter. I don't have "bad blood" because I go to a public school and I don't have "good blood" because my family might be financially better off than some. *
Isn't this why we seek pious wives and pious husbands? So that the blood that we pass on is good blood?
**What is a "pious" wife and "pious" husband? Is it someone who wears a burka and covers her face? Or spends all his time in the masjid? I think piety goes alot deeper than just what one sees. But if you mean two people who get along, agree on major things so that they can work together to raise their children to be the best they can be, maybe.
But I don't think there's a such thing as only good blood and only bad blood. Nurture also plays a role in how an individual turns out.
True, but for whatever they were, Abu Talib, Abu Jahl and Abu Lahab were brothers…And all three were said to possess remarkable wisdom…Abu Jahl was said to be the wisest man in all of Arabia…His wisdom was legendary…So we can understand…
However, we do despise Abu Jahl and Abu Lahab for the treatment they showed towards the Holy Prophet :saw:, but we must not forget that as elders, it was Abu Jahl and Abu Lahab whose advise people sought …
As for Hussain and Yazid, both were of noble birth and character…(No, I do not consider Yazid as the Boogieman that distorted traditions have made him out to be…)
So that still does not prove anything…For all we know, both Abu Jahl and Abu Lahab remained loyal to their faith till the end…
and does that make them good people?
and he was so wise that he could not see the message that so many others saw?
and it was not just the treatment they had for thr prophet but the hatred of the religion and its followes, and what they instogated in Makkah where muslims were tortured, especially the slaves and servants who had become muslim.
so, despite bing fro the same bloodline they had very different views on life, on how to treat people etc etc.
and whether or not you consider yazid or muawiya to be some boogieman, they were unjust opportunists who fundamentally hurt the islamic system of governance and turned it into a monarchy. while Imam Hussein sacrificed his life for what was right.
so... its not about innate abilities, intellect etc that is coded in one's dna but how it is nurtured, how it is shaped and in the end how is it used.
So, would you consider a husband who drinks, womanizes, cheats e.t.c. on a moderate level? If piety runs deep, then who knows how truly pious he might be from the inside…
Abu Jahl, Abu Lahab and the Holy Prophet :saw: only did what they thought was best for all concerned from their own perspectives…
And as for wisdom, many today who call themselves Muslims, fail to see the message that many others see, yet remain misguided…So that is basically a moot point…
That still doesn’t deny the fact that Abu Jahl and Abu Lahab may have been good people…It’s just fear of Islam that led them to do horrendous things…After all, how many rednecks do you know who hold a positive image of our Holy Prophet :saw:…Same as we don’t hold a positive image of AJ and AL…
But both of them were extremely effective leaders and statesmen…
Abu Jahl, Abu Lahab and the Holy Prophet :saw: only did what they thought was best for all concerned from their own perspectives…
and it was not just what they thought was right but how they went about it. so one can say that they could not see reason, and they used cruel tactics to watch out for their interests..
And as for wisdom, many today who call themselves Muslims, fail to see the message that many others see, yet remain misguided…So that is basically a moot point…
yep but those ppl are not the prophet’s uncle, ya know. so its not a moot point, we are talking blood lines and its impact on what one does.
do genetics play a role, sure they do, but do they define a person? not really
That still doesn’t deny the fact that Abu Jahl and Abu Lahab may have been good people…
right…
I think Allah Kinda disagrees with you on that.
It’s just fear of Islam that led them to do horrendous things…
Lets hope you are so..accomodating to others that you dont like, that they basically “good people” but that the fear of islam led them to do horrendous things
But both of them were extremely effective leaders and statesmen…
actually not really, they could not deal with the change in the political dynamics and we all know what happened to them. Now had they been very effective leaders, Makkah would not have fallen in 10 years.
At least looks is a start…A person at least wishing to emulate a good person might even become a good or at least wishes to be portrayed as good…What can be said about a person who is rowdy from the start to begin with…?
Fraudia: Uh oh…Fraudz…You know my arguments fall apart every time you bring out the bold and non-bold responses…Heaven help us…
Blood and behavior are not the same as "cause and effect". Even though, gene, blood line or family past may indicate that person may act, react certain way but, it does not make anyone do it.
You can not blame a murder on your up-bringing. It was your decision and you have to hold complete responsiblity for it.
i give you the respect of bolding your statements.
and as far as your arguments falling apart…believe me, you do a fine enough job of it, you dont need anyone else to contribute.
and Yazid, both were of noble birth and character…(No, I do not consider Yazid as the Boogieman that distorted traditions have made him out to be…)