I was reading Tafseer ibn katheer which describes the factors surrounding the War of badr and it stated that prophet Muhammad and his companions planned to attack on Caravan before badr War and it became known to Quraish before war started in which prophet Muhammad and his companion won.
My question is that why would Prophet Muahmmad attack trading caravan and was it routine practice to attack caravans(which is unethical and involves killing innocent people). It seems quite unbelievable but may be true.
"ECONOMICAL BLOCKAGE" by attacking caravans which obviously invloves killing innocent people, by a prophet ( Blessing for the whole mankind) ??
Doesn't make sense. need more unbiased explanation.
Please dont digress into what is hapening today by the rulers of the world by comparing it to acts of a prophet.
Dont digress please. focus on the topic not the discussant. Its a defensive technique.
off topic.
Would believing or non believing change the historical facts and common sense of good vs bad?
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These days, you agree to many strategies based on the same idea implemented by westerners to the unethical emperors...
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two wrongs do not make a right.. are you trying to find parallels between the unjust actions of some nations today to those of the Holy Prophet?
Do we get any indication from the Qur'an of such incidents??
Do we get any indication from the Qur'an of such incidents??
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Definitely from hadith.. which u dun beleive so u dun have anything to do with it anyway... so not talking to u .. please, stay away!
Do we get any indication from the Qur'an of such incidents??
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Actually if you read Tafseer Ibn katheer , you will learn a lot about the incidents and circumstances surrounding most of the verses in Koran and why they were revealed at certain point in history.
If you are interested in finding out about this incidence of badr War I will find out and post here. let me know.
I am not passing a judgement on him by stating that he was wrong. This is something you can only say when you have all the facts. We need to know all the circumstances behind attacks( if they were really attacks).
One thing is for sure that he was human being and had an intelligent brain without any doubt. So according to the customs of that barabric times he was just doing the " Political tactics". But how can we justify these acts??
Problem with your’s opinion and similar opinions is that it is going to be completely biased since you can never say anything against prophet Muhammad’s act(s) being wrong at any time because it will contradict your whole belief which means your belief will collapse.
I don’t believe in Tafseer ibn katheer. He wrote and left many things unanswered for Muslims. This is what most of the Sunni-Muslims writers do. From Bukhari to Noomani. They tried to make Muslim believe in their books like Quran. Actully their books are full of mistakes, that is why now Muslims sects are arguing on different issues. But general muslims are still loving them like infallible (Masooms). and non-muslims are getting advantage of that thing. Like Qadiyani, Sulaman-Rushdi, Raj Pal & Nasreen.
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*Originally posted by inuit: *
Asalam-o-Alakum,
Prophets(AS & PBUH) can never be wrong.
I don’t believe in Tafseer ibn katheer. He wrote and left many things unanswered for Muslims. This is what most of the Sunni-Muslims writers do. From Bukhari to Noomani. They tried to make Muslim believe in their books like Quran. Actully their books are full of mistakes, that is why now Muslims sects are arguing on different issues. But general muslims are still loving them like infallible (Masooms). and non-muslims are getting advantage of that thing. Like Qadiyani, Sulaman-Rushdi, Raj Pal & Nasreen.
Tafseer Ibn Katheer is more of a historical book. It is not like Koran or hadith that you need to believe in it.
Your claim is very concrete type. You dont accept a book because it is Sunni book and you are Shia. You haven't read the book to decide whether to believe or not.
Problem with your's opinion and similar opinions is that it is going to be completely biased since you can never say anything against prophet Muhammad's act(s) being wrong at any time because it will contradict your whole belief which means your belief will collapse.
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*Originally posted by analyze it: *
I was reading Tafseer ibn katheer which describes the factors surrounding the War of badr and it stated that prophet Muhammad and his companions planned to attack on Caravan before badr War and it became known to Quraish before war started in which prophet Muhammad and his companion won.
My question is that why would Prophet Muahmmad attack trading caravan and was it routine practice to attack caravans(which is unethical and involves killing innocent people). It seems quite unbelievable but may be true.
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Please, let me know about the ayah,surah so i can post the
answer.
You just posted a LINE and asked question. Its appropriate to let the
viewers know about the references. And just to let you know
Imam Ibn Kathir wrote a couple of volumes.
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*Originally posted by analyze it: *
I was reading Tafseer ibn katheer which describes the factors surrounding the War of badr and it stated that prophet Muhammad and his companions planned to attack on Caravan before badr War and it became known to Quraish before war started in which prophet Muhammad and his companion won.
My question is that why would Prophet Muahmmad attack trading caravan and was it routine practice to attack caravans(which is unethical and involves killing innocent people). It seems quite unbelievable but may be true.
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Before coming to any conclusion, please read Al Anfaal .
And read the introduction by Maulana Madoudi.
And also read Biography of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) by
KAREN ARMSTRONG before passing any judgement.
And the Tafsir by Imam Ibn Kathir is for advance users
of religion. Its not for novices.
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*Originally posted by analyze it: *
I was reading Tafseer ibn katheer which describes the factors surrounding the War of badr and it stated that prophet Muhammad and his companions planned to attack on Caravan before badr War and it became known to Quraish before war started in which prophet Muhammad and his companion won.
My question is that why would Prophet Muahmmad attack trading caravan and was it routine practice to attack caravans(which is unethical and involves killing innocent people). It seems quite unbelievable but may be true.
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Please, don't read one AYAH and pass your judgement.
This is what i understand after reading the issue that
you posted.
Allah wanted to test the New Muslims. So Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)
gave them(Ansar And Muhajirs) two choices. Either attack Caravan
in which greatest enemy of Islam was hiding. His name was Abu Safiyaan or fight the Quraish. In the end, Badr took place.
It also talks about spoils of war that it doesn't belong to the people.
Hence no point for fighting for money.
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*Originally posted by analyze it: *
I was reading Tafseer ibn katheer which describes the factors surrounding the War of badr and it stated that prophet Muhammad and his companions planned to attack on Caravan before badr War and it became known to Quraish before war started in which prophet Muhammad and his companion won.
My question is that why would Prophet Muahmmad attack trading caravan and was it routine practice to attack caravans(which is unethical and involves killing innocent people). It seems quite unbelievable but may be true.
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I read the Tafsir that you mentioned. Read it again and than post your thoughts. You just read 2 lines and just posted your thoughts.
BE OPEN MINDED.
<<I was reading Tafseer ibn katheer which describes the factors surrounding the War of badr and it stated that prophet Muhammad and his companions planned to attack on Caravan before badr War and it became known to Quraish before war started in which prophet Muhammad and his companion won.
My question is that why would Prophet Muahmmad attack trading caravan and was it routine practice to attack caravans(which is unethical and involves killing innocent people). It seems quite unbelievable but may be true. >>
AI, it was a tactical move from Holy Prophet SAW. In order to understand the move we need to learn the habits of Meccans of that time. It is known from history that Meccans whenever needed money to celeberate, they use to collect money by gambling together and whoever wins use to spend the entire amount on celeberation. If they needed larger amount to prepare for a war they use to send caravans like that one going to Syria to sell stuffs and buy Swords and other war equipments. Holy Prophet had two options, either let that caravan go and let them prepare for a bigger assault or stop that caravan.
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Definitely from hadith.. which u dun beleive so u dun have anything to do with it anyway... so not talking to u .. please, stay away!
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which hadiths establish the facts that the prophet raided caravans?? who vouches for them and what is the level of their acceptance by ALL muslims??
and i'm trying to have a civil discussion here and express my opinioins.. i believe it's an open discussion forum for everyone not just you..or those who sympathize with your views.. so quit being an a$$ all the times...
If that’s true then they (the caravan people) weren’t so innocent after all. Some people just take stuff out of context aur kya ka kya bana letay heiN.
Then if you have read Tafseer Ibn-e-Katheer then I am sure you must have read that before this attack took place the Meccans had broken the peace treaty many times by attacking Muslims in Mecca and Muslim caravans too…
Eye for an eye…Nowhere does Islam tell us to be persecuted…For further refernce read Dhulfiqar’s signature…Malcolm X expresses it so wisely…
Unfortunately, today’s Muslims are Muslims of words, not actions…I pray Allah :swt: gives us strength and guidance…