War of Badr

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Events that lead to the Battle of Badr:

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THE INCIDENT AT NAKHLAH

One and a half years after Hijrah, the Holy Prophet sent nine persons towards the valley of Nakhlah in order to observe the movements of a Quraysh caravan. Abdullah bin Hajash was appointed the leader of this scouting team. It was the sacred month of Rajab when fighting was not permitted among the Arabs.

When the reconnoitering group reached Nakhlah and spotted the caravan, they conferred among themselves as to their course of action. Some of the Muslims did not like breaking the sanctity of the sacred month while others were opposed to letting the Quraysh escape unchecked. Finally, a consensus was reached to fight with the enemy.

During the fighting that ensued, Waqid bin Abdullah of the Muslims shot an arrow that killed Amrao bin Hazrami of the Quraysh. The Muslims took two prisoners and some booty and returned to Medinah.

When the Holy Prophet learned of this incident, he was highly grieved and refused to accept part of the booty presented to him. The two Meccan prisoners were eventually returned to the Quraysh in exchange for the two Muslims captured during the fighting.

THE BATTLE OF BADR

After losing the opportunity to kill the Holy Prophet, the Meccans now were really angry at the spread of Islam in Medinah. The Meccans started to interfere with the Muslims' right to pilgrimage and also instigated the people of Medinah against the Holy Prophet. They changed their normal caravan routes and started going through tribal areas around Medinah to rouse the tribes against the Muslims.

In the year 624 A.D., two years after the Hijrah, Abu Sufyan was bringing a commercial caravan back from Syria. The Muslim scouts were keeping an eye on the caravan just in case it posed any threat to Medinah. After Abu Sufyan saw the Muslim scouts he became frightened and sent a messenger to Mecca to bring an adequate force to safe guard the caravan.

When the chiefs of Mecca learned that their goods laden caravan was in possible danger, they quickly gathered a well armed and well equipped army of more than a thousand warriors. The army set out from Mecca under the leadership of Abu Jahal to confront the Muslims. When the Holy Prophet learned of the Meccans' intentions, he gathered some 310 Muslims from among the Mohajereen and Ansar and set forth from Medinah. The Muslims camped for the night at a place called Badr, a few miles south west of Medinah. Early on the morning of March 13, 624 A.D., the Holy Prophet arranged his small army into ranks and files and delivered a brief address on Jehad, fighting in the cause of God.

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Events that lead to the Battle of Badr:

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There are flaws in your post. Post the reference.

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Point out the Flaws, Please!

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Events that lead to the Battle of Badr:

In the year 624 A.D., two years after the Hijrah, Abu Sufyan was bringing a commercial caravan back from Syria.

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It was a commercial caravan and was not posing any danger to muslims.

karen Armstrong reports in her Biography of Muhammad( A sympathetic and apologetic biography) that after the pilgrimage Muslims in medina had no real trade or business so their main source of income was to attack different commercial caravan which used to to pass medina to go to Syria. Incidence of nakhlah was one of these attacks.

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originally posted by MTANWEER:

AI, it was a tactical move from Holy Prophet SAW. In order to understand the move we need to learn the habits of Meccans of that time. It is known from history that Meccans whenever needed money to celeberate, they use to collect money by gambling together and whoever wins use to spend the entire amount on celeberation. If they needed larger amount to prepare for a war they use to send caravans like that one going to Syria to sell stuffs and buy Swords and other war equipments. Holy Prophet had two options, either let that caravan go and let them prepare for a bigger assault or stop that caravan.

Now you tell me if it was right move or wrong?

I dont agree with the move based on the basic principal of humanity. After reading accounts of karen Armstrong and in Tafseer Ibn katheer, it is clear that those were commercial caravans and posed no immedicate threat to muslims so attacking those unarmed commercial caravan could be a POLITICAL TACTICS or TACTICAL MOVE but not a ethical move that I would expect from a prophet who is blessing for all mankind.

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*Originally posted by analyze it: *

It was a commercial caravan and was not posing any danger to muslims.

karen Armstrong reports in her Biography of Muhammad( A sympathetic and apologetic biography) that after the pilgrimage Muslims in medina had no real trade or business so their main source of income was to attack different commercial caravan which used to to pass medina to go to Syria. Incidence of nakhlah was one of these attacks.

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originally posted by MTANWEER:

AI, it was a tactical move from Holy Prophet SAW. In order to understand the move we need to learn the habits of Meccans of that time. It is known from history that Meccans whenever needed money to celeberate, they use to collect money by gambling together and whoever wins use to spend the entire amount on celeberation. If they needed larger amount to prepare for a war they use to send caravans like that one going to Syria to sell stuffs and buy Swords and other war equipments. Holy Prophet had two options, either let that caravan go and let them prepare for a bigger assault or stop that caravan.

Now you tell me if it was right move or wrong?

I dont agree with the move based on the basic principal of humanity. After reading accounts of karen Armstrong and in Tafseer Ibn katheer, it is clear that those were commercial caravans and posed no immedicate threat to muslims so attacking those unarmed commercial caravan could be a POLITICAL TACTICS or TACTICAL MOVE but not a ethical move that I would expect from a prophet who is blessing for all mankind.
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Hi
The caravan was never attacked. The word ethics doesn't suit you. Immanuel Kant must be crying now.As i said read Al Anfaal. Intro by M.
Moudidi. But you did none.Your read work of Karen Armstrong in one day. Liar.
Analyze. Your purpose is argument for the sake of argument. I will
not reply to any of your posts. I don't seem to understand why people
are so WORRIED about Prophet Muhammad(PBUH).His humanity and his
message. His(SAW) message is FLAWLESS. That's why THEYare
interested in finding so called FAULTS. Not a single Prophet or
any other religious text can come close to Prophets message.
Its a message that is Flawless. He is a blessing for ALL MANKIND.
Thats how Muslim belief works. We don't care what ignorant people say about him(SAW). We know in out hearts THAT HIS(SAW) MESSAGE
is the truth.

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Analyze it,

First of all I don't have to agree with every thing Karen Armstrong wrote!

Secondly if you care to read my post, I wrote that the attack on the caravan at Nakhlah was carried out without the permission of the Holy Prophet(peace be upon him) and he never endorsed that attack.

Secondly the caravan, whose leader was Abu-Sufian was never attacked by the Muslims.

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008.007
SHAKIR: And when Allah promised you one of the two parties that it shall be yours and you loved that the one not armed should he yours and Allah desired to manifest the truth of what was true by His words and to cut off the root of the unbelievers.

ANALYZE THIS

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Background:
Secondly, he successively sent small bands of his men on this route to serve as a warning to the Quraish, and himself accompanied some of them. In the first year of Hijrah, four expeditions were sent there, that is, the expedition under Hamzah, the expedition under Ubaidah bin Harith, the expedition under Sa’ad bin Abi Waqqas and the Al-Abwa’ expedition under the Holy Prophet himself. In the first month of the second year two more incursions were made on the same route. These are known as Buwat Expedition and Zawal Ushairah Expedition. Two things about all these expeditions are noteworthy. First, no blood was shed and no caravans were plundered in any of these expeditions. This proves that the real object of these expeditions was to show to the Quraish which way the wind was blowing. Secondly, not a single man from the people of Al-Madinah was sent by the Holy. Prophet on any of these incursions. All the bands consisted purely of the immigrants from Makkah so that the conflict should remain between the people of the Quraish themselves and should not further spread by the involvement of other clans. On the other side, the Quraish of Makkah tried to involve others also in the conflict. When they sent bands towards Al-Madinah, they did not hesitate to plunder the people. For instance, an expedition under the leadership of Kurz bin Jabir al-Fihrl plundered the cattle of the people of Al-Madinah from the very vicinity of the city to show what their real intentions were. http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html

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In the year 624 A.D., two years after the Hijrah, Abu Sufyan was bringing a commercial caravan back from Syria. The Muslim scouts were keeping an eye on the caravan just in case it posed any threat to Medinah. After Abu Sufyan saw the Muslim scouts he became frightened and sent a messenger to Mecca to bring an adequate force to safe guard the caravan.

So it clearly shows that Muslims Scouts were KEEPING AN EYE on
the caravan not looting it.
And reply to ANALYZE IT , they were not being "UNETHICAL".
I love buzz words. or doing anything against humanity.

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Analyze it
Analyze this. You just wrote a ONE LINER. Your uncertain.You
don't have enough information and therefore your conclusion
is flawed.

take care

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*Originally posted by rehman1: *

Hi
The caravan was never attacked. The word ethics doesn't suit you. Immanuel Kant must be crying now.As i said read Al Anfaal. Intro by M.
Moudidi. But you did none.Your read work of Karen Armstrong in one day. Liar.
Analyze. Your purpose is argument for the sake of argument. I will
not reply to any of your posts. I don't seem to understand why people
are so WORRIED about Prophet Muhammad(PBUH).His humanity and his
message. His(SAW) message is FLAWLESS. That's why THEYare
interested in finding so called FAULTS. Not a single Prophet or
any other religious text can come close to Prophets message.
Its a message that is Flawless. He is a blessing for ALL MANKIND.
Thats how Muslim belief works. We don't care what ignorant people say about him(SAW). We know in out hearts THAT HIS(SAW) MESSAGE
is the truth.
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Please dont reply since you have no answer but to call people liar and you can not carry out any civil discussion. you are too emotional and immature to do that which is the main problem with muslim fanatics.

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Analyze it,

First of all I don't have to agree with every thing Karen Armstrong wrote!

Secondly if you care to read my post, I wrote that the attack on the caravan at Nakhlah was carried out without the permission of the Holy Prophet(peace be upon him) and he never endorsed that attack.

Secondly the caravan, whose leader was Abu-Sufian was never attacked by the Muslims.
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I agree cent per cent with your comments and observations. You seem to be a very reasonable person.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by analyze it: *

Please dont reply since you have no answer but to call people liar and you can not carry out any civil discussion. you are too emotional and immature to do that which is the main problem with muslim fanatics.
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One thing is for sure that he was human being and had an intelligent brain without any doubt. So according to the customs of that barabric times he was just doing the " Political tactics". But how can we justify these acts??

Have a look at your post again analyze it and analyze this. I also encourage other readers to have a look at "analyze it" posts.
So your comparing HIS(SAW) acts to barbaric. Grow up.
and please take a class of ETHICS. Or maybe something even
better.Take a class in history.
You just read one line and posted your venom here.
Well i posted all the FACTS and references. So if you want to call
me Fanatic, its OK by me.
I guess truth Hurts real bad, analyze it.

As for your comments , he(SAW) never even attacked the Caravan that
you mentioned. And you mentioned IBN KATHIR. That book(history book according to your IQ) never says anywhere that CARAVAN was attacked.
Hence none of the acts (barbaric acts according to you) took place.

You didn't talked about victory over Makkah that immediately took
place after the CARAVAN episode.
According to TRIBAL customs the whole cities were looted. All men
killed and woman and children sold as slaves.
Did Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) did any one those. Read your
history book, if you have one.
He(SAW) forgave his worst enemies. None were raped or sold as
slaves.
and hence no BARBARIC acts.
please, grow up and don't spread your lies.
prove your point which you cannot and hence you called me FANATIC.

TAKE CARE

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ONE more instant of name-calling and you guys can expect this thread will be closed. Got a problem with it - PM me.

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*Originally posted by Samarra: *
ONE more instant of name-calling and you guys can expect this thread will be closed. Got a problem with it - PM me.
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well said.

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*Originally posted by Samarra: *
ONE more instant of name-calling and you guys can expect this thread will be closed. Got a problem with it - PM me.
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Not even one? :(

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Analyze it. Why don't you analyze this.

Greatness consist in the purification of a nation, steeped in barbarism and immersed in absolute moral darkness, that dynamic personality who has transformed, refined and uplifted an entire nation, sunk low as the Arabs were, and made them the torch-bearer of civilization and learning, has every claim to greatness. If greatness lies in unifying the discordant elements of society by ties of brotherhood and charity, the prophet of the desert has got every title to this distinction. If greatness consists in reforming those warped in degrading and blind superstition and pernicious practices of every kind, the prophet of Islam has wiped out superstitions and irrational fear from the hearts of millions. If it lies in displaying high morals, Mohammad has been admitted by friend and foe as Al Amin, or the faithful. If a conqueror is a great man, here is a person who rose from helpless orphan and an humble creature to be the ruler of Arabia, the equal to Chosroes and Caesars, one who founded great empire that has survived all these 14 centuries. If the devotion that a leader commands is the criterion of greatness, the prophet's name even today exerts a magic charm over millions of souls, spread all over the world.

Plz analyze this.

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After the fall of Mecca, more than one million square miles of land lay at his feet, Lord of Arabia, he mended his own shoes and coarse woolen garments, milked the goats, swept the hearth, kindled the fire and attended the other menial offices of the family. The entire town of Medina where he lived grew wealthy in the later days of his life. Everywhere there was gold and silver in plenty and yet in those days of prosperity many weeks would elapse without a fire being kindled in the hearth of the king of Arabia, His food being dates and water. His family would go hungry many nights successively because they could not get anything to eat in the evening. He slept on no soften bed but on a palm mat, after a long busy day to spend most of his night in prayer, often bursting with tears before his creator to grant him strength to discharge his duties. As the reports go, his voice would get choked with weeping and it would appear as if a cooking pot was on fire and boiling had commenced. On the very day of his death his only assets were few coins a part of which went to satisfy a debt and rest was given to a needy person who came to his house for charity. The clothes in which he breathed his last had many patches. The house from where light had spread to the world was in darkness because there was no oil in the lamp.

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